[Rumor] Fisher: Kings “expected to gauge trade market” for DeMar DeRozan

[SacTownKid]

Again, we saw what this team was last year. I don’t see a training camp magically making this team better. That’s not a realistic expectation to have.

So if your boss is mandating that you win now, making the decision to run back a 36 win pace team is probably not a good idea if you want to keep your job. But if that weren’t enough to get fired/get on your boss’ bad side, you then decide it’s wise to go to your boss and say “we should rebuild/I’d like to rebuild” halfway into your first season as GM? You’re just asking to be fired at that point.

The smartest move if you want to keep your job (under the stipulation that Vivek wants you to improve the roster and win now) is to…well…make moves that improve the roster while at the same time positioning yourself to make a trade for a better star down the road. Trading for Holiday 1.) makes us better next season, 2.) doesn’t cost us young assets/picks to acquire (might need this assets/picks at a later date when we attempt to trade for a better star), and 3.) gives us another staggered, expiring contract to use when matching salaries in a trade for a star (LaVine is an expiring contract during the 2026 off-season and Holiday is an expiring contract during the 2027 off-season).

Wrong, doing the opposite and having it fail not only gets you fired but it likely never gets you re-hired anywhere else. Ask Vlade.

 

[twslam07]

What, just trade the other guys and problem solved? That's a lot of if's. If that's even on Perry's radar than he does for sure need to either stand pat or start the rebuild. It's casts enough doubt at that point to say why bother.

Again, it’s a difference between what he should do and what Vivek will allow.

 

[twslam07]

Wrong, doing the opposite and having it fail not only gets you fired but it likely never gets you re-hired anywhere else. Ask Vlade.

No, that’s not right.

It’s simple enough to explain that your hands were tied based on what Vivek was mandating.

Also, the word “fail” here is pretty harsh considering the trade I proposed and how we’d navigate the next couple years. The “failure” in my scenario would be whiffing on upgrading our star talent via a trade. If we can’t pull off that type of trade, then we’ll never have the top tier talent to become a serious playoff threat. And I’m sure Sabonis will be asking to be traded (if he hasn’t done so already/sooner).

But the great thing about this path is that I haven’t traded any young assets or picks. Those need to be saved for when it’s time to trade for a star. If we can pull off that type of trade, maybe it’s enough of an upgrade to be relevant again. If we can’t, there’s really no other choice at that point other than to rebuild, but you still have all of your youn assets and pick in tact.

Again, it’s not my preference on how I would run this team, but I don’t think it’s worth spending a lot of time on how I’d do things knowing that’s not reality either current Vivek situation. I think your proposed path is not likely to be allowed to happen. Doesn’t mean I disagree with the path (for the most part), I just question the validity of entertaining such a path knowing what we know about our situation.

 

[dude12]

Jru did NOT look good in the playoffs. I’ve always liked him but not sure he’s the same player from a few years ago.

 

[twslam07]

Jru did NOT look good in the playoffs. I’ve always liked him but not sure he’s the same player from a few years ago.

He seemed fine to me. He's obviously not heavily featured on offense considering they have guys like Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, White, and even Pritchard putting the ball through the hoop, but he still finds ways to be impactful. I posted this earlier in the thread, but he's still posting good advanced impact stats...

• VPM = 58th
• DPM = 102nd
• LEBRON = 124th
• 2Y RAPM = 124th
• eRAPTOR = 120th
• MAMBA = 130th
• EPM = 87th

Those stats don't indicate "star" but nobody is confusing him with a star at this point. He's a well rounded player who can contribute to winning, play the PG role, play elite defense, provide some floor spacing, be a respected voice in the lockerroom, and mentor our young, defensive guards to help them elevate their games even more.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930001368615379387

So some variation of the Robinson/JJJ/#20 deal then

 

[iowamcnabb]

we might have a resolution to this in three next couple weeks, especially if any draft capital is being exchanged

 

[dude12]

He seemed fine to me. He's obviously not heavily featured on offense considering they have guys like Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, White, and even Pritchard putting the ball through the hoop, but he still finds ways to be impactful. I posted this earlier in the thread, but he's still posting good advanced impact stats...

• VPM = 58th
• DPM = 102nd
• LEBRON = 124th
• 2Y RAPM = 124th
• eRAPTOR = 120th
• MAMBA = 130th
• EPM = 87th

Those stats don't indicate "star" but nobody is confusing him with a star at this point. He's a well rounded player who can contribute to winning, play the PG role, play elite defense, provide some floor spacing, be a respected voice in the lockerroom, and mentor our young, defensive guards to help them elevate their games even more.

I personally wouldn’t do it. If he’s here, then how much time is he taking from Carter AND Keon, because that’s who will lose time. Just a philosophy that doesn’t match with Vivek’s I’m sure but it’s time to find out now if Carter is a piece going forward. Trade Deebo so that Keegan has a chance to blossom offensively. Otherwise, we just stunt the growth of these guys. If they fail, well, it’s a good way to get another lottery pick.

 

[SacTownKid]

No, that’s not right.

It’s simple enough to explain that your hands were tied based on what Vivek was mandating.

Also, the word “fail” here is pretty harsh considering the trade I proposed and how we’d navigate the next couple years. The “failure” in my scenario would be whiffing on upgrading our star talent via a trade. If we can’t pull off that type of trade, then we’ll never have the top tier talent to become a serious playoff threat. And I’m sure Sabonis will be asking to be traded (if he hasn’t done so already/sooner).

But the great thing about this path is that I haven’t traded any young assets or picks. Those need to be saved for when it’s time to trade for a star. If we can pull off that type of trade, maybe it’s enough of an upgrade to be relevant again. If we can’t, there’s really no other choice at that point other than to rebuild, but you still have all of your youn assets and pick in tact.

Again, it’s not my preference on how I would run this team, but I don’t think it’s worth spending a lot of time on how I’d do things knowing that’s not reality either current Vivek situation. I think your proposed path is not likely to be allowed to happen. Doesn’t mean I disagree with the path (for the most part), I just question the validity of entertaining such a path knowing what we know about our situation.

Yeah, it's that simple in theory. Perry was in NY, now he's in Sac which is the last stop for more of than a few people on the coaching or business side. Eventually you flame out and it's over in the minds of most franchises. Perry had his shot in NY, this is probably his last go at the big chair just like some of the Kings coaches of the past that maybe were put in an unfair situation as well. History says be smart and that's the best explaining you can do after the fact. Personally, I doubt that Vivek is calling many shots. Maybe suggesting, maybe he's involved, but I still don't think Vivek has the BBall insight to really contribute much into building a team or assembling a roster from top to bottom.

 

[twslam07]

I personally wouldn’t do it. If he’s here, then how much time is he taking from Carter AND Keon, because that’s who will lose time. Just a philosophy that doesn’t match with Vivek’s I’m sure but it’s time to find out now if Carter is a piece going forward. Trade Deebo so that Keegan has a chance to blossom offensively. Otherwise, we just stunt the growth of these guys. If they fail, well, it’s a good way to get another lottery pick.

Actually, the minute distribution could be just fine...

PG - Holiday (26) / Carter (22)
SG - Lavine (18) / Ellis (28) / Holiday (2)
SF - Murray (30) / LaVine (14) / Washington (4)
PF - Washington (26) / LaRavia* (22)
C - Sabonis (34) / Valanciunas (14)
*resigned

Sabonis = 34 min
LaVine = 32 min
Murray = 30 min
Washington = 30 min
Holiday = 28 min
Ellis = 28 min
Carter = 22 min
LaRavia = 22 min
Valanciunas = 14 min


Carter averaged 11 mpg last year (now averaging 22 mpg) and Ellis averaged 24.4 mpg last year (now averaging 28 mpg) and those 2024-25 mpg numbers can technically be a bit inflated since they factor in OT (while my suggested minutes above are a strict 48 min game).

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Carter averaged 11 mpg last year (now averaging 22 mpg) and Ellis averaged 24.4 mpg last year (now averaging 28 mpg) and those 2024-25 mpg numbers can technically be a bit inflated since they factor in OT (while my suggested minutes above are a strict 48 min game).

Also we should always keep in mind that basically nobody plays 82 games, so on the days when, say, LaVine is sitting out, there are 32 more minutes to go around which inflates the numbers a bit more.

 

[twslam07]

Also we should always keep in mind that basically nobody plays 82 games, so on the days when, say, LaVine is sitting out, there are 32 more minutes to go around which inflates the numbers a bit more.

Good callout.

 

[twslam07]

Yeah, it's that simple in theory. Perry was in NY, now he's in Sac which is the last stop for more of than a few people on the coaching or business side. Eventually you flame out and it's over in the minds of most franchises. Perry had his shot in NY, this is probably his last go at the big chair just like some of the Kings coaches of the past that maybe were put in an unfair situation as well. History says be smart and that's the best explaining you can do after the fact. Personally, I doubt that Vivek is calling many shots. Maybe suggesting, maybe he's involved, but I still don't think Vivek has the BBall insight to really contribute much into building a team or assembling a roster from top to bottom.

Perry is 61. What makes you so sure he's even thinking about exploring a career after this stint in Sacramento? You said "history says be smart," but that's already operating from the conclusion that Vivek didn't already mandate winning now and hired Perry with that presupposition of winning now. We fundamentally disagree on this point.

 

[SacTownKid]

Perry is 61. What makes you so sure he's even thinking about exploring a career after this stint in Sacramento? You said "history says be smart," but that's already operating from the conclusion that Vivek didn't already mandate winning now and hired Perry with that presupposition of winning now. We fundamentally disagree on this point.

Well then if he really doesn't care about getting fired then him following mandates he doesn't really believe in doesn't really harm him then right? He's got nothing to lose.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Well then if he really doesn't care about getting fired then him following mandates he doesn't really believe in doesn't really harm him then right? He's got nothing to lose.

If I've read Perry correctly off of his press conferences, he's a Company Man through-and-through. He'll follow any mandate given and he'll shake everybody's hand and pat them on the butt while he does it. He'll ask after your kids by name even though he's never met them and he'll end every meeting with a promise to catch you for drinks next time he's in town that will be forgotten before he gets on the plane.

But hey, maybe that's what NBA teams need in executives. Vest-Wearing Nameless Numberhead Man was obviously really smart but didn't seem to get a whole lot of respect in NBA circles, so I guess a new approach can't hurt?

 

[TheMobb]

If I've read Perry correctly off of his press conferences, he's a Company Man through-and-through. He'll follow any mandate given and he'll shake everybody's hand and pat them on the butt while he does it. He'll ask after your kids by name even though he's never met them and he'll end every meeting with a promise to catch you for drinks next time he's in town that will be forgotten before he gets on the plane.

But hey, maybe that's what NBA teams need in executives. Vest-Wearing Nameless Numberhead Man was obviously really smart but didn't seem to get a whole lot of respect in NBA circles, so I guess a new approach can't hurt?

This is on point. I think Monte is really underrated when it comes to basketball IQ and intelligence, he just didn’t have the relationships and people skills to excell in the business.

 

[SacTownKid]

If I've read Perry correctly off of his press conferences, he's a Company Man through-and-through. He'll follow any mandate given and he'll shake everybody's hand and pat them on the butt while he does it. He'll ask after your kids by name even though he's never met them and he'll end every meeting with a promise to catch you for drinks next time he's in town that will be forgotten before he gets on the plane.

But hey, maybe that's what NBA teams need in executives. Vest-Wearing Nameless Numberhead Man was obviously really smart but didn't seem to get a whole lot of respect in NBA circles, so I guess a new approach can't hurt?

Haha, pretty much exactly. Yeah, the political vibes were clear last go around as well. Politicians when on the spot eventually catch the flame and become, I don't know, consultants, lol. Him explaining to someone that it was all Viveks fault will likely only go so far in the example we were discussing above.

 

[Kingster]

Yeah, it's that simple in theory. Perry was in NY, now he's in Sac which is the last stop for more of than a few people on the coaching or business side. Eventually you flame out and it's over in the minds of most franchises. Perry had his shot in NY, this is probably his last go at the big chair just like some of the Kings coaches of the past that maybe were put in an unfair situation as well. History says be smart and that's the best explaining you can do after the fact. Personally, I doubt that Vivek is calling many shots. Maybe suggesting, maybe he's involved, but I still don't think Vivek has the BBall insight to really contribute much into building a team or assembling a roster from top to bottom.

If Perry is as good politically as some think, I could easily see him presenting alternatives to Vivek that he (Perry) has arranged to promote the team that Perry wants in the future. In other words, Vivek is not going to be involved on a granular level in conversations Perry is going to be having with his counterparts around the league and will only be apprised on the "big picture" alternatives that Perry wants him to see. All of which can minimize Vivek's influence.

 

[Tetsujin]

If Perry is as good politically as some think, I could easily see him presenting alternatives to Vivek that he (Perry) has arranged to promote the team that Perry wants in the future. In other words, Vivek is not going to be involved on a granular level in conversations Perry is going to be having with his counterparts around the league and will only be apprised on the "big picture" alternatives that Perry wants him to see. All of which can minimize Vivek's influence.

Perry had to work with Jamie Dolan for years so I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t have a plan for countering owner interference at this point.

 

[The_Jamal]

This is on point. I think Monte is really underrated when it comes to basketball IQ and intelligence, he just didn’t have the relationships and people skills to excell in the business.

I have a few friends in the NBA data space. They all really loved the Monte hire, said he's one of the smartest people in basketball.

But what I think we've found over the years is that having the ability to manage the owner is probably more important. If you can't sell the guy who's writes the checks on your vision, then it doesn't matter in the slightest how smart you are