[Rumor] Fisher: Kings “expected to gauge trade market” for DeMar DeRozan

A sign and trade for Kuminga could make sense for both sides. When I ran it thru the if I was a little idiot named Vivek filter it worked also because he would be warriors game worn and all.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
DeMar for a 2025 1st round pick because, you know, Monte...
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I don't think Vivek would like this unless we got a future pick as well (assuming we'd be looking at a pick in the 20s this year).

But it's not entirely out of the Perry playbook, when he was here briefly, he was part of the Vlade operation that traded 10 for 15 and 20. Man I salivate at all three of those picks if the "correct" players were chosen.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I don't think Vivek would like this unless we got a future pick as well (assuming we'd be looking at a pick in the 20s this year).

But it's not entirely out of the Perry playbook, when he was here briefly, he was part of the Vlade operation that traded 10 for 15 and 20. Man I salivate at all three of those picks if the "correct" players were chosen.
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Sorry, I didn't mean for it to strictly be a 1 for 1 deal...But, a deal centered around flipping DeMar for a 2025 1st round pick would be ideal. We would, obviously, ask for a greater return.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to strictly be a 1 for 1 deal...But, a deal centered around flipping DeMar for a 2025 1st round pick would be ideal. We would, obviously, ask for a greater return.
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While I think a tear down is inevitable I think the best deals out there would be future firsts and players now. We need a PG, we need a big wing (call it either a PF or a SF that allows Keegan to play PF at the highest level). I don't think drafting those players is on the table, so hopefully the moves we make net decent players at those spots and a future pick. That way when we're in 12th place on January 1st, Perry can sell Vivek that it ain't happening and we can get max return on Domas and Zach over the next 12 months, and set ourselves up for 27 and beyond when we start having extra picks, blah blah.

I think that is the second best case scenario, the first being that somehow we net a PG and big wing and are actually good. lol.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1922372257864716378

(If the Spurs knew they were going to be in position to draft Dylan Harper this summer, they’re probably wouldn’t have traded for De’Aaron in the first place tho)
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They didn't exactly give up much, now they have a Fox (still on his old contract I think) who they can easily ship. Or they can sign him and trade him in a year if Harper pans out and Fox is healed and locked in. lol. Actually at the deadline if they get the extension done in July?

Worked out magical for them.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
I don't like that Pistons deal you spun up...Unless you're able to incorporate a draft pick (or two, or three, or more) coming our way as well.
I can get behind the other ones, though.
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Ron Holland is by far the highest upside prospect of any player in those three trade sketches. Beef Stew is also still young and fits a rebuild timeline or is trade bait. Also the man is clinically insane so Kings games would be a blast to watch.
 
What about Deebo for Porzingis? They have to move off some money and Derozan would be a pretty great stop gap for Tatum. Kings gets length and defense without giving up picks and if they want they can let his deal expire and have a bunch of flexibility moving forward. Or if it really works out could re-sign him.

Devin
Lavine
Keegan
Porzingis
Sabonis

Monk, Keon, Laravia, Jonas rounding out your top 9.
 
iowamcnabb said:
What about Deebo for Porzingis? They have to move off some money and Derozan would be a pretty great stop gap for Tatum. Kings gets length and defense without giving up picks and if they want they can let his deal expire and have a bunch of flexibility moving forward. Or if it really works out could re-sign him.

Devin
Lavine
Keegan
Porzingis
Sabonis

Monk, Keon, Laravia, Jonas rounding out your top 9.
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This would be good if Porzingis is healthy, but he hasn’t shown he can be healthy in his whole career. I think he’s damaged goods at this point.
 
TheMobb said:
This would be good if Porzingis is healthy, but he hasn’t shown he can be healthy in his whole career. I think he’s damaged goods at this point.
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He’s an expiring after this season so if it doesn’t work out you clear that off your books. The following season Lavine could be off the books too and now you have a ton of cap space if you so choose. Essentially it’s a rental
 
SacTownKid said:
The Kings should do that 100 times out of a hundred. Porzingis is at least expiring.
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iowamcnabb said:
He’s an expiring after this season so if it doesn’t work out you clear that off your books. The following season Lavine could be off the books too and now you have a ton of cap space if you so choose. Essentially it’s a rental
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Right it’s not a bad deal. But I would want to see what else DeRozan could get back, not necessarily by himself. But what if he’s packaged with Carter? Or a 1st? Or what quality star could DeRozan, Carter, multiple future 1sts bring back? The Kings would probably need DeRozans matching salary if they plan on upgrading the team.
 
Tetsujin said:
Ron Holland is by far the highest upside prospect of any player in those three trade sketches. Beef Stew is also still young and fits a rebuild timeline or is trade bait. Also the man is clinically insane so Kings games would be a blast to watch.
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I like the Detroit deal sure I'd ask for a pick or two when they laugh it's still a good deal if they bite. Pistons do seem like a playoff team now in the East so they can afford a pick in the 20s.

Miami deal is also good enough for me with JJJ and the pick presumably good to go if the year is a bust and we decide to unload Zach and Domas.

Probably you trade Monk this offseason as well, I can't see any scenario he gains value this season and he's kind of in the way unless he comes off the bench. In which case he's still in the way.
 
TheMobb said:
Right it’s not a bad deal. But I would want to see what else DeRozan could get back, not necessarily by himself. But what if he’s packaged with Carter? Or a 1st? Or what quality star could DeRozan, Carter, multiple future 1sts bring back? The Kings would probably need DeRozans matching salary if they plan on upgrading the team.
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It would bring back disaster most likely. Not much more, lol. 8-10 year rebuild plan in sight. Trading rookie controlled contracts and/or picks would mean Kangz is alive and well. I mean, weren't people just complaining about dumping Davion, moving Hali, trading picks for meh, etc? Uh, maybe try not doing that for once huh? Outside of Giannis, there isn't anyone remotely available pushing this team somewhere unless it's already knocking on the door of success. You make a pick/youth move once you know, and right now, the only known is that yeah, disaster would likely await at this point.
 
SacTownKid said:
It would bring back disaster most likely. Not much more, lol. 8-10 year rebuild plan in sight. Trading rookie controlled contracts and/or picks would mean Kangz is alive and well. I mean, weren't people just complaining about dumping Davion, moving Hali, trading picks for meh, etc? Uh, maybe try not doing that for once huh? Outside of Giannis, there isn't anyone remotely available pushing this team somewhere unless it's already knocking on the door of success. You make a pick/youth move once you know, and right now, the only known is that yeah, disaster would likely await at this point.
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Could be, but let’s wait and see what’s out there. A lot of teams will be up against it financially and the Kings might be in a position to take advantage of it. We have DeRozans salary (which is a $10M buyout next year, not expiring but can still offer relief), a $17M TPE, plus MLE that can now be traded. With 9 future 1sts and 4 future 2nds we have capital to get a deal done on a high level player.
 
TheMobb said:
Could be, but let’s wait and see what’s out there. A lot of teams will be up against it financially and the Kings might be in a position to take advantage of it. We have DeRozans salary (which is a $10M buyout next year, not expiring but can still offer relief), a $17M TPE, plus MLE that can now be traded. With 9 future 1sts and 4 future 2nds we have capital to get a deal done on a high level player.
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Sure, if there's anything out there worth potentially destroying the next 8 years for I'm sure it will be well known. If teams are up against it financially then they're likely sending iffy contracts. If they are, bad idea. That gamble is already here and his name is Zach LaVine. They can't compound it now. If the Kings are then sending extra value, let alone literally the only first round level young talent under 25 on the team that actually fits the supposed "vision" the other way to get that team out of a pickle then it's more bad GM'ing 101 from the Kings. This is actually the one time that the Kings need to be cautious and wait and see until at least a few months into next season if they aren't rebuilding now. If the Kings want to take the plunge now then they just need to put all the chips on the table, Keon, Carter, Keegan, 3-4 picks, and filler. That still probably isn't beating teams like the Rockets or Thunder in the open market though.

Moving DeMar without damaging the team moving forward should be the idea. Moving actual assets to tread water is been there, done that, bought the shirt, paid the price. If the Kings are bad come next season but still want to gamble then those picks will have more certain value so maybe they don't have to dump a bunch at one time. Don't forget, even picks with strings like protections can severely hamper a teams trade mobility. The Kings are finally free from the recent one after getting out of the Huerter debacle. The next debacle is that 2031 pick swap. Rebuild in the next 2 seasons with that pick haul and a cleaner cap and that 2031 pick might not be such a bad trade off. Tread water for 2-3 seasons only to rebuild anyway and you probably just gave up a top lottery pick. The rest of the West is too far ahead to be gambling right now. The Mavs window may have just opened for the next 6-7 years as well. The smart play is for Sacramento to see those picks as a way to get them out of a worst case and rebuild if the LaVine/Domas tandem doesn't work. Trades when that risky should be reserved for MVP level talent or potential, and it's doubtful that comes through the door anytime soon. The Kings are much more likely to draft that than trade for it at this point.
 
SacTownKid said:
Sure, if there's anything out there worth potentially destroying the next 8 years for I'm sure it will be well known. If teams are up against it financially then they're likely sending iffy contracts. If they are, bad idea. That gamble is already here and his name is Zach LaVine. They can't compound it now. If the Kings are then sending extra value, let alone literally the only first round level young talent under 25 on the team that actually fits the supposed "vision" the other way to get that team out of a pickle then it's more bad GM'ing 101 from the Kings. This is actually the one time that the Kings need to be cautious and wait and see until at least a few months into next season if they aren't rebuilding now. If the Kings want to take the plunge now then they just need to put all the chips on the table, Keon, Carter, Keegan, 3-4 picks, and filler. That still probably isn't beating teams like the Rockets or Thunder in the open market though.

Moving DeMar without damaging the team moving forward should be the idea. Moving actual assets to tread water is been there, done that, bought the shirt, paid the price. If the Kings are bad come next season but still want to gamble then those picks will have more certain value so maybe they don't have to dump a bunch at one time. Don't forget, even picks with strings like protections can severely hamper a teams trade mobility. The Kings are finally free from the recent one after getting out of the Huerter debacle. The next debacle is that 2031 pick swap. Rebuild in the next 2 seasons with that pick haul and a cleaner cap and that 2031 pick might not be such a bad trade off. Tread water for 2-3 seasons only to rebuild anyway and you probably just gave up a top lottery pick. The rest of the West is too far ahead to be gambling right now. The Mavs window may have just opened for the next 6-7 years as well. The smart play is for Sacramento to see those picks as a way to get them out of a worst case and rebuild if the LaVine/Domas tandem doesn't work. Trades when that risky should be reserved for MVP level talent or potential, and it's doubtful that comes through the door anytime soon. The Kings are much more likely to draft that than trade for it at this point.
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100%. You make the all in move, once you have a firm understanding of where youe team is at. Ideally, it's to take a 48+ win team, into contender territory. Not a 40 win team into a 46 win team.

My timeline here would be to see how much growth happens with our young guys and see if a derozan for a Washington sort of deal can elevate thus squad into like a 4 or 5 seed. Then, thats when you make a push for a win now sort of move. Make sure Keon, Keegan, Carter elevate their game to where if you add.. a Porzingis type, that it actually can be a move that puts you over the top
 
SacTownKid said:
Sure, if there's anything out there worth potentially destroying the next 8 years for I'm sure it will be well known. If teams are up against it financially then they're likely sending iffy contracts. If they are, bad idea. That gamble is already here and his name is Zach LaVine. They can't compound it now. If the Kings are then sending extra value, let alone literally the only first round level young talent under 25 on the team that actually fits the supposed "vision" the other way to get that team out of a pickle then it's more bad GM'ing 101 from the Kings. This is actually the one time that the Kings need to be cautious and wait and see until at least a few months into next season if they aren't rebuilding now. If the Kings want to take the plunge now then they just need to put all the chips on the table, Keon, Carter, Keegan, 3-4 picks, and filler. That still probably isn't beating teams like the Rockets or Thunder in the open market though.

Moving DeMar without damaging the team moving forward should be the idea. Moving actual assets to tread water is been there, done that, bought the shirt, paid the price. If the Kings are bad come next season but still want to gamble then those picks will have more certain value so maybe they don't have to dump a bunch at one time. Don't forget, even picks with strings like protections can severely hamper a teams trade mobility. The Kings are finally free from the recent one after getting out of the Huerter debacle. The next debacle is that 2031 pick swap. Rebuild in the next 2 seasons with that pick haul and a cleaner cap and that 2031 pick might not be such a bad trade off. Tread water for 2-3 seasons only to rebuild anyway and you probably just gave up a top lottery pick. The rest of the West is too far ahead to be gambling right now. The Mavs window may have just opened for the next 6-7 years as well. The smart play is for Sacramento to see those picks as a way to get them out of a worst case and rebuild if the LaVine/Domas tandem doesn't work. Trades when that risky should be reserved for MVP level talent or potential, and it's doubtful that comes through the door anytime soon. The Kings are much more likely to draft that than trade for it at this point.
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I hear you and I’m not disagreeing with any of this. I’m definitely not advocating for the team to trade all their picks to go for it now. I’ve heard from a few different media outlets that the year 2027 is when we see a lot of money come off the books and we’ll probably see a rebuild at that point. But until then I think we might see a middle ground and the team will try to compete for a playoff spot. We keep hearing about a PG, so I think there’s an internal belief that if Sabonis/LaVine/Keegan had a playmaker out there to set the table they can be an elite offense, and if we use say DeRozan, one or 2 of the exceptions and maybe 1-2 1sts and/or multiple 2nds to upgrade the PG spot and the team defensively the team could make some noise in the west. Then you have guys like Keegan, Devin Carter, Keon, LaRavia where we could see some internal growth. You look at the Pacers they added Siakam and saw some growth from their young guys (plus injuries to other teams at the perfect time) and are now in back to back ECF.
 
ESP47 said:
I think we're wildly overrating what DDR will bring back in a trade.

Prepare yourself for disappointment if you think we're going to get a first rounder or good players that fit.
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Teams that are or were in the playoffs absolutely will see him as a potential guy to help get them deeper in the playoffs. Several teams who did not have another scorer to go with what they already have will be able to make a solid offer. Teams getting close minded about getting team to the next level in playoffs is not what they will do, they will see an opportunity with DDR who has a decent salary for a walking bucket clutch guy. I can see DDR bringing back role players and possibly a late first. Depends on what’s being given up in regards to the pick. Jacquez out of the rotation. Detroit has some pieces they could deal. Houston has so many guys that Cam and Sheppard didn’t get off the bench in playoffs. Etc, etc
 
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