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sactowndog said:
For the same short term mentality. Have you seen Stocktons roster? Instead of packing their G league roster with young developmental guys the sign guys like Skal which help the G League team win but does nothing for the Kings future.
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Dude wtf. I seriously had no idea this was a thing. I just went through the entire roster, not a single guy born after january 2002. Everyone on the team 24-32 years old. What an absolute joke. I knew we had some vets on the team, I had no idea we didn't have a few undrafted rookies that were 18-19 years old.

It's like learning Kuminga who has been in the league 5 years, would be the Kings 2nd youngest player. How in the world does a team get this bad without having some youth.
The wizards have 10 guys 22 and under
The Pelicans have 10 guys 25 and under.
Jazz have 8 guys 22 and under.

Just shows how far the road ahead is for Sac. Pathetic.
 
TaxMan said:
I predict the trade deadline is going to be a underwhelming and depressing affair. We are all going to work ourselves up to a big sell-off. Dreams of young prospects and first round picks. We will convince ourselves “fine, we can take back a top 10 protected first for Monk. He’s worth more, but if that’s what it takes to get the deal done, make it happen Perry.” Every podcast will be working out the right deal to get Kaminga for Deebo. Of course the warriors will eventually take the vet for their last gasp effort with Curry.

In the end, I feel like we are most likely looking at the slow death of this team. Maybe Westbrook just gets cut. Buy-out Deebo to let him finish with a winner. Domas suffers through injuries this year. No takers for Zach until he becomes an expiring. Maybe somewhere along the way we do something dumb like attach a pick to get off a contract. Ellis walks. Keegan never really develops further and we end up trading him for a couple middling picks.

It’s just going to be a slow ugly march over the next three years to let this crap play out. Hopefully we get lucky with a top 3 pick this year. Hopefully we make a smart pick. Hopefully the culture isn’t toxic so we don’t ruin his career. Sorry to be bleak, but I really think this is the most likely outcome.
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I think more likely Keon is attached to Sabonis to help move him.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
Dude wtf. I seriously had no idea this was a thing. I just went through the entire roster, not a single guy born after january 2002. Everyone on the team 24-32 years old. What an absolute joke. I knew we had some vets on the team, I had no idea we didn't have a few undrafted rookies that were 18-19 years old.

It's like learning Kuminga who has been in the league 5 years, would be the Kings 2nd youngest player. How in the world does a team get this bad without having some youth.
The wizards have 10 guys 22 and under
The Pelicans have 10 guys 25 and under.
Jazz have 8 guys 22 and under.

Just shows how far the road ahead is for Sac. Pathetic.
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And yet somehow people think the Monte era was Meh versus a total disaster. This entire roster was acquired under Monte. Unbalanced and old.
 
sactowndog said:
And yet somehow people think the Monte era was Meh versus a total disaster. This entire roster was acquired under Monte. Unbalanced and old.
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Uhm... what?

Russell Westbrook - 37 years old
Dennis Schroder - 32 years old
Dario Saric - 31 years old

I'm reasonably sure these fellas weren't "acquired under Monte", and I'm also reasonably sure that they were responsible for driving the average age of this team up as the season got underway.
 
sactowndog said:
I think more likely Keon is attached to Sabonis to help move him.
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Honestly, at this point I would take Keon as the required attachment at the deadline to move on from some of these vets. That’s how much I expect the dumbest path forward could work with him and he just walks in the offseason for nothing.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
You can only blame Vivek for so much and I don't think he is the one responsible for Davion, Devin, Sasha, and a bunch of other middling moves that left us floundering to build on the beam team.

I will blame Vivek for splashy sounding moves like DeMar and Zach but those happened after two years of largely doing nothing.

Why we never got a second wing to succeed HB as a long term pairing with Keegan, even if we reached a bit to do it is beyond me. Since HB was fifth option on offense we may as well just tried bringing in a defensive specialist in that spot and he never did. No shortage of extra picks being passed around in 2023 and 2024 drafts to take a flyer on someone.
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I agree with this. Which is why my grade on Monte is like a B-. Especially if we are grading on the "Sacramento Kings" curve of mostly purely incompetent executives in power.

I've long been of mind that teams that get rid of good-great coaches/GMs searching for an "upgrade" always get snake bitten. 49ers had to go through 2 jabronis before luckily finding Dha

Also, its not Montes fault that Doug refuses to play Devin. Maybe he sucks, but we won't know until we actually treat him like a lotto pick and give him a chance to develop.
Padrino said:
Uhm... what?

Russell Westbrook - 37 years old
Dennis Schroder - 32 years old
Dario Saric - 31 years old

I'm reasonably sure these fellas weren't "acquired under Monte", and I'm also reasonably sure that they were responsible for driving the average age of this team up as the season got underway.
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He still thinks Monte controlled the Fox trade, for some reason. I've also gotten reasonably more confident Vivek was behind ddr too. Just a staunch philosophical difference in what Monte brought in during his tenure
 
Padrino said:
Uhm... what?

Russell Westbrook - 37 years old
Dennis Schroder - 32 years old
Dario Saric - 31 years old

I'm reasonably sure these fellas weren't "acquired under Monte", and I'm also reasonably sure that they were responsible for driving the average age of this team up as the season got underway.
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While less consequential, might as well add McDermott (33) and Eubanks (28) to Perry’s credit.
 
sactowndog said:
And yet somehow people think the Monte era was Meh versus a total disaster. This entire roster was acquired under Monte. Unbalanced and old.
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Monte was awful. Would sit on his hands too long then inevitably make a bad panic decision.
Overpaying for huerter
Trading hali
Drafting Mitchell
Early extending sabonis for no reason
Resigning barnes
Duarte trade
Mitchell trade
Resigning Holmes
Using a 1st to dump Holmes
This is before even getting into the dumpster fire that was last deadline.

Props to him for getting us to the playoffs. But everything was short sighted and/or too little too late.
 
Padrino said:
Uhm... what?

Russell Westbrook - 37 years old
Dennis Schroder - 32 years old
Dario Saric - 31 years old

I'm reasonably sure these fellas weren't "acquired under Monte", and I'm also reasonably sure that they were responsible for driving the average age of this team up as the season got underway.
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Perry hasnt been any better. Which should lead everyone to the same conclusion, it makes zero difference who the gm is if they arent actually making the decisions.
 
The_Jamal said:
Wait why?

Monte was an actual competent executive. Actually put a winner on the floor. Had draft successes, including a UDFA find in Keon.

No, he wasnt Presti, but to me, it's disingenuous when people act like he was some terrible gm. Especially if we operate under the assumption he didn't have control with the Fox trade and maybe even DDR as well
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That's why it's scary. Things could go from bad to worse in a hurry.
 
sactowndog said:
Perry has had 1/2 a season and we don’t know if he is playing rope a dope or not.
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I want to be optimistic and believe that Perry knew this whole thing would fail, and he would finally get Vivek to understand you need to do it the right way.

But why sign Schroder? Why not just sign Russ. Tell Vivek, hey we can lock up Keon early + get our point guard. Look HOF Russ! Triple Double leader!

The Schroder moves really confuses the hell out of me. Now we have another 30+ overpaid vet to deal with. And I get in the scope of a rebuild Schroder isn't that damaging, but its pointless.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
I want to be optimistic and believe that Perry knew this whole thing would fail, and he would finally get Vivek to understand you need to do it the right way.

But why sign Schroder? Why not just sign Russ. Tell Vivek, hey we can lock up Keon early + get our point guard. Look HOF Russ! Triple Double leader!

The Schroder moves really confuses the hell out of me. Now we have another 30+ overpaid vet to deal with. And I get in the scope of a rebuild Schroder isn't that damaging, but its pointless.
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I still think they were trying to make Domas happy and obviously Schroder hits all the warm and fuzzy former Warrior buttons for Vivek. Domas' excuse last season was he needed a PG. Well, careful what you wish for big man.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
I want to be optimistic and believe that Perry knew this whole thing would fail, and he would finally get Vivek to understand you need to do it the right way.

But why sign Schroder? Why not just sign Russ. Tell Vivek, hey we can lock up Keon early + get our point guard. Look HOF Russ! Triple Double leader!

The Schroder moves really confuses the hell out of me. Now we have another 30+ overpaid vet to deal with. And I get in the scope of a rebuild Schroder isn't that damaging, but its pointless.
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Because if you don’t sign Schroder you give Vivek an out. Step one of the rebuild is eliminate all outs in Vivek’s mind. Unfortunately that took signing Schroder.
 
sactowndog said:
Because if you don’t sign Schroder you give Vivek an out. Step one of the rebuild is eliminate all outs in Vivek’s mind. Unfortunately that took signing Schroder.
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I assume you mean "we didn't have a PG" out, which I agree with but why we had to give him full MLE is a headscratcher unless there were other suitors.
 
Again, the vets start.
A question to Doug, why are you grooming the vets? You think they gonna give you more wins? Their time is limited in the Kings uniform, there's no point showcasing them, they got nothing to prove. Bench 'em, groom the youngsters while you have this golden opportunity when winning is not the priority.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
Dude wtf. I seriously had no idea this was a thing. I just went through the entire roster, not a single guy born after january 2002. Everyone on the team 24-32 years old. What an absolute joke. I knew we had some vets on the team, I had no idea we didn't have a few undrafted rookies that were 18-19 years old.

It's like learning Kuminga who has been in the league 5 years, would be the Kings 2nd youngest player. How in the world does a team get this bad without having some youth.
The wizards have 10 guys 22 and under
The Pelicans have 10 guys 25 and under.
Jazz have 8 guys 22 and under.

Just shows how far the road ahead is for Sac. Pathetic.
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You aren't wrong but it feels like the Wizards have been young for 30 years and still suck lol
 
BuddyBuckets said:
Monte was awful. Would sit on his hands too long then inevitably make a bad panic decision.
Overpaying for huerter
Trading hali
Drafting Mitchell
Early extending sabonis for no reason
Resigning barnes
Duarte trade
Mitchell trade
Resigning Holmes
Using a 1st to dump Holmes
This is before even getting into the dumpster fire that was last deadline.

Props to him for getting us to the playoffs. But everything was short sighted and/or too little too late.
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I could overlook a lot, but his handling of Fox was an unmitigated disaster - reactive, "sitting on his hands too long," "panic decision."
 
NewArena said:
You aren't wrong but it feels like the Wizards have been young for 30 years and still suck lol
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I'd say the Wizards were kinda the Kings of the east. Always looking for a short cut at relevancy. They went from the Arenas, Butler, Jameson era to the Wall/Beal era. Very similar to the Kings where they had 23 year old Wall, 20 year old Beal, and instead of continuing to build they short cut with Gortat, Ariza, Nene, Harrington, Pierce, etc..

Difference is at least they got 4 years of playoffs, we got 1.

IMO they finally pulled the plug 2.5 years ago when they got bailed out for Brad Beal. Now they are entering year 3 of the rebuild. As everyone says, its going to suck, its going to be ugly, but IMO that is the right way. Now they suck at drafting also, but you'd hope to hit 2-3 of these.
 
Kingster said:
I could overlook a lot, but his handling of Fox was an unmitigated disaster - reactive, "sitting on his hands too long," "panic decision."
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I actually blame most of last deadline on Vivek exclusively which Is why I didn't really get too deep in that.

I think by deadline we all knew that Monte was going to get fired. The target was LaVine which ofc was Viveks guy all along.

It was a crap show, and both are to blame, but Monte was checked out and lame duck at that time. Vivek had playoff mandate and rather than practicing a little bit of patience and allowing Perry to deal with Fox, he forced the issue.
 
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BuddyBuckets said:
I actually blame most of last deadline on Vivek exclusively which Is why I didn't really get too deep in that.

I think by deadline we all knew that Monte was going to get fired. The target was LaVine which ofc was Viveks guy all along.

It was a crap show, and both are too blame, but Monte was checked out and lame duck at that time. Vivek had playoff mandate and rather than practicing a little bit of patience and allowing Perry to deal with Fox, he forced the issue.
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Yup. I don't believe there is any chance that McNair does that if he was working for a competent owner
 
BuddyBuckets said:
I actually blame most of last deadline on Vivek exclusively which Is why I didn't really get too deep in that.

I think by deadline we all knew that Monte was going to get fired. The target was LaVine which ofc was Viveks guy all along.

It was a crap show, and both are to blame, but Monte was checked out and lame duck at that time. Vivek had playoff mandate and rather than practicing a little bit of patience and allowing Perry to deal with Fox, he forced the issue.
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I dont think Monte had control at any point last year. DDR, was such a staunch player philosophical difference from what Monte would gravitate towards... while being the exact kind of player archetypes Vivek DOES gravitate towards.

That's why I'm not going to hold my breath when it comes to this rebuild talk. Need to actually see the moves on paper before believing it
 
The_Jamal said:
I dont think Monte had control at any point last year. DDR, was such a staunch player philosophical difference from what Monte would gravitate towards... while being the exact kind of player archetypes Vivek DOES gravitate towards.

That's why I'm not going to hold my breath when it comes to this rebuild talk. Need to actually see the moves on paper before believing it
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Need to see the moves actually happen, before believing it
 
BuddyBuckets said:
I actually blame most of last deadline on Vivek exclusively which Is why I didn't really get too deep in that.

I think by deadline we all knew that Monte was going to get fired. The target was LaVine which ofc was Viveks guy all along.

It was a crap show, and both are to blame, but Monte was checked out and lame duck at that time. Vivek had playoff mandate and rather than practicing a little bit of patience and allowing Perry to deal with Fox, he forced the issue.
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There needed to be action waaaay before the deadline. ANYTIME you wait to a deadline to negotiate you are dead.
 
Kingster said:
There needed to be action waaaay before the deadline. ANYTIME you wait to a deadline to negotiate you are dead.
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With what the Kings are, yeah, get at least some of the vets out early if Perry can. The only teams wanting them will probably want the extra time prior to the deadline to be able to reassess again most likely anyway. If Perry gets in early he might get in before the other teams get desperate with their own pieces and suck some of the oxygen out of the room.
 
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