Finals Game 6
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Yes, Wade getting MVP and almost singlehandedly putting Miami back in the series is the only positive for me, a Kings fan. I don't care for Pat Riley's brand of basketball (in the 90s) and the way he got rid of Van Gundy considering Pat Riley is the one who quit when the team looked hopeless a couple seasons ago.
I've always disliked Shaq for other reasons, but I never put much care into anything he said about Sacramento. Its all part of the game. But when he left the Lakers I officially became neutral on him.
It's all about hype and showtime for Shaq. You have to finally just realize that and let it go...
You know the old nursery rhyme ... Sticks and stones ...
I'm sure Mike Bibby hasn't lost a moment of sleep because Shaquille O'Neal called him a boy scout. If you continue to be bothered by it, you're renting way too much space to Shaq in your own mind. Evict him...
GoGoGadget
All-Star
Without question.
But, let's not kid ourselves and claim that calling someone a cub scout is reason enough to be so offended that he won another ring.
nbrans
All-Star
I think what kingsfannpdx was saying is Joe Dumars could have had Wade, instead of Darko=Cato/Delk.
I think Dumars made a boo boo.
I'm not losing sleep over it, and I actually find his comments funny. However, it makes it hard to root for a team that he is on. I like to see big talkers humbled (as long as they are not on the Kings), so seeing Shaq victories is not a good thing. Wade on the other hand is the ultimate superstar to root for in the way he plays, how he carries himself, and how humble he is. If Shaq was a trash talker who didn't say anything about the Kings during that rivalry I'd be with the Heat.
KP
Starter
You mean all those old fossils that are getting fitted for rings tommorow morning? If they are so old, and so fosill-y how did they just lay low one of the deepest, quickest, high octane teams in the NBA? Or for that matter the Pistons before them? I can't believe on the night they've actually won the championship people still want to write all these guys off. D-Wade was the main ingredient no doubt, but you need a team around your superstars, Riley built a great cast of guys with experience who wouldn't flinch in big situation, and Shaq was the catalyst to keep all their egos in line, as well as open up the entire court by drawing attention. I give props to all these guys especially Walker, talk about knowing your role and exicuting it to perfection.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Yep, figured that out when someone posted somethign similar in another thread.
But Joe D. already got his title, so this isn't quite the "doomed the team to 20 years of lotteries" type of mistake.
Viking
Starter
how does Kobe look like a tool?
Shaq couldn't have gotten this alone. He had James Posey, JAson Williams, Gary Payton, Alonzo Mourning, Antoine Walker, and, oh yeah, a guy named Dwyane Wade who did a hell of a lot more than Shaq.
Who does Kobe have? and yet he made it (almost) out of the first round alone?
seriously i hate the Lakers but you're fooling yourself if you think Kobe or the Lakers will even bat their heads twice at the news, let alone care.
Shaq couldn't have gotten this alone. He had James Posey, JAson Williams, Gary Payton, Alonzo Mourning, Antoine Walker, and, oh yeah, a guy named Dwyane Wade who did a hell of a lot more than Shaq.
Who does Kobe have? and yet he made it (almost) out of the first round alone?
seriously i hate the Lakers but you're fooling yourself if you think Kobe or the Lakers will even bat their heads twice at the news, let alone care.
Viking
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KP
Starter
BY high octane I was refering to the mavs, you might want to re-read it genius.
Vlad
Bench
lakers shouldn't care too much. heat won (barely) against a better team. and you can bet that they will be worse next year.
venom_7
Starter
they didn't barely win. the Mavs weren't better. The Heat won in 6 games, there weren't any officiating travesties, and the Heat were a better team. Mavs were deeper, sure, but you can't have all 12 out on the floor.
KP
Starter
Like I said they lost to a superstar and a great supporting cast that knew their roles. You don't win a championship if 3 of your starting 5 is "not very good" you know that Vlad.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
They pretty much beat the Pistons last year until Wade got hurt. So that's not a big question.
The Spurs? Been interesting considering the way the Spurs were exposed a bit this playoffs. But Bowen on Wade maybe could have made the difference. (of course with Walker starting that leaves Manu on Twoine, which is not going to work, and Shaq and Mourning are significant impediments for Duncan).
Oh I doubt Kobe or anyone in the organization cares, but LA radio hosts and fans will have a field day tomorrow. I know Shaq didn't do it alone, but he certainly had an impact even if its Wade's team now.
Vlad
Bench
i disagree on a few points.
1) barely won: they won 3 games by a total of 6 points.
2) there were a few officiating travesties (mostly in game 5)
3) mavs are a better team. they just played worse.
KP
Starter
How'd they beat the Pistons? Oh well, everyones entitled to their opinion. I guess they will just have to win another to convince you .
KP
Starter
Hey, I hate those guys as much as anyone, but they did to much to me and my team for me to call them not very good.
Winning is winning, it doesn't matter if it is 1 point or 20. The stats they showed before the game closed said it all, Mavs were something like 1-5 (I assume 1-6 after tonight) in games decided by 3 or less points these playoffs. That means they couldn't close out close games. That's why they lost.
Vlad
Bench
minus wade, the heat are a below 500 team.
Shaq is good, Wade is great. The rest are not very good. Every shot GP, 'Toine, Posey, and J-Will take are wide open because of shaq and wade. Just like with Devean George, Bob Horry, and Rick Fox, Shaq and his superstar make the supporting cast seem better than they are.
Mourning could give Duncan trouble when he's on the floor, but I doubt Shaq would guard Duncan much since he'll wind up in foul trouble. That leaves Haslem on Duncan. I think that's a favorable match-up for Duncan. Wade is unstoppable, but Bowen is a great defender and would limit Wade's dominance to an extent. Add on to that Ginobili's ability to disrupt the passing lanes and make plays, and I think the Spurs would do well.
venom_7
Starter
1) I dont think that is barely winning. I think that is having more desire than the opposing team. If a team wins all 82 games in a season, but wins each game by 1 point, would you say they barely were the top team but almost the bottom team?
2) this is an opinion here, and your entitled to yours. I personally think the refs did a good job in game 5, and if the calls were made in the 1st quarter, than nobody would say they were bad calls.
3) again an opinion. The Heat are a more talented team. The Heat lose this series without Walker, Payton, Mourning, and Williams.
And for some reason I think they still would have won even if Shaq didn't play
. Wade was the equalizer, and the supporting cast did what they were supposed to do: support. Riley built the team to support a superstar named Shaq, but it ended up being Wade instead. The Heat have their problems, they aren't perfect. But they played with more heart and enthusiasm and desire, and they got results. Honestly, the Mavericks were lackluster in the last three games. The only fiery guys were Terry and Dirk.
KP
Starter
I don't disagree with that at all ^... but it's also about sacrifice, it's about knowing your role, it's about team d, and lifting your team by hitting those shots. To win a championship those role-players if you'll pardon the pun, play a big "role". These guys have shown they can fill that role, and compliment those superstars well. Riley has shown he picked the right guys. Shaq has shown he does make the whole team better, and Kobe has shown that he was replaceable. no matter what anyone says this is a bad night to be a Laker, and that makes it a good night to be a Kings fan in my book.
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