Favors

[bajaden]

I would have to think about that. I personally am very high on JT, and think he can be an above average starting pf in 2 years, and fits very well next to Cousins. JT could be a very good role player, and might fit better next to Cousins than Favors would. Favors is a better scorer, but JT has a better face up jumpers, better rebounder(and will get better), much better passer, and already a good team defender.

But JT isn't allstar talent, and Favors is. With JT/Whiteside though, I think that pf combo down the road would fit very well next to our future allstar center. Do we really need another allstar level frontcourt player next to Cousins over a better pg or sg, or sf, depending on where Tyreke plays down the road? I would be more interested in Devin Harris, depending on his health, as crazy as that may sound, because he fills a much bigger need IMO.

Is there a future allstar caliber pg or sf in this years draft? If there is, than that would be who I go after. I really do think our pf combo of JT/Whiteside will look very good in 2 years.

You raise a good point. With Whiteside waiting in the wings and Thompson showing at least journeyman ability, do we really need to go after Favors, regardless of his potential? If your just looking for defense and shotblocking, then Whiteside has more potential in that area than Favors does. If your looking for a more all around player down the road that can play both ends of the court, then Favors might be the way to go. I say might, because he hasn't proven anything yet. He really did nothing in college that made him stand out, but I wrote that off to playing at Gerogia Tech, a team with just a terrible backcourt. He's a great physical specimen, and if I had to place a bet on sucess or failure, I'd go for the sucess bet.

As a matter of fit, I think Favors is a better fit next to Cousins than he is Lopez. Cousins is more versitile than Lopez. He can play away from the basket and still be effective, where Lopez is really only effective around the basket. Of course I doubt the Nets care how good a fit he might be for the Kings.
Here's the thing thats inticing. There's a chance that you strike gold with Favors. And if you do, then your looking at a pretty good team with Tyreke, Cousins, and Favors as the cornerstones. You'd have Thompson who could back up both the center and PF positions, and Whiteside, who appears to have similar abilities. You'd have Casspi, who is a good rebounder and has the ability to streach the defense, and is improving his own game on the defensive side. And then we have Greene. Thanks to Westphal, I'm not sure where he fits. But that would be a pretty good, young group to take into the future.

 

[bajaden]

Despite the attraction of his shooting, I beg to differ. Troy Murphy is a losing PF in this league, always has lost, probably always will. Can't defend, which is sort of skill #1 for a PF, especially one playing next to Cousins. And of course if you get Favors, you play Favors. In fact hopefull you turn the frontcourt into Cousins, Favors, Thompson and Whiteside.

As an aside, while Denver might like cap relief, one of the advantages of the 5 pick way with us getting Favors is that Jersey still gets to have a PF -- works better for them and for Melo.

I agree! Landry is a much better fit next to Lopez than Favors is right now. It probably gets pretty crowded under the basket with both Favors and Lopez on the floor at the same time. At the moment Favors has little game away from the basket. I'm sure he'll develop his jumpshot, which doesn't look bad, but is very inconsistent. Landry can at least play out to 17/18 feet. Actually, I think Landry could really help the Nets. The more I think about this, the more inticing it becomes. We don't lose any capspace, and our only cost is our first round pick.

Favors was listed as 6'10" in shoes, but he was also one of the youngest players coming out of the draft. Its possible that he's grown since the draft, or will grow more in the next couple of years. Remember, JT was only 6'4" at age 18. Just saying...

 

[bajaden]

We'd still have to give our 2011 first to Denver even if we use our cap space to absorb a big salary. NJ is hardly playing Murphy this year anyway and playing Humphries major minutes. Maybe I am not understanding.

I think getting closer to the tax line is a major issue for Denver based on them supposedly blocking that deal before the season that involved Kirilinko since it did not lower their salaries for the current year.

I think the point is that we would save the Nets money this year by taking on Murphys contract, which is an expiring contract, so it would come off our books at years end just like Dalemberts. Murphy is making just under 12 mil this year. So if we make a deal at the halfway point, we save the Nets around 4 mil for the rest of the year, since they would be absorbing half of Landrys contract. So our cost for Favors would be our first round pick and forking out 4 mil this year for the rest of Murphy's contract.

 

[Tetsujin]

I agree! Landry is a much better fit next to Lopez than Favors is right now. It probably gets pretty crowded under the basket with both Favors and Lopez on the floor at the same time. At the moment Favors has little game away from the basket. I'm sure he'll develop his jumpshot, which doesn't look bad, but is very inconsistent. Landry can at least play out to 17/18 feet. Actually, I think Landry could really help the Nets. The more I think about this, the more inticing it becomes. We don't lose any capspace, and our only cost is our first round pick.

Favors was listed as 6'10" in shoes, but he was also one of the youngest players coming out of the draft. Its possible that he's grown since the draft, or will grow more in the next couple of years. Remember, JT was only 6'4" at age 18. Just saying...

Landry and Lopez could both work on becoming the worst rebounding big man tandem in the league.

 

[bajaden]

Landry and Lopez could both work on becoming the worst rebounding big man tandem in the league.

That would be their problem, not ours.. Heh heh heh.... But they would have Melo, who also likes to play close to the basket...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I want to, but I wouldn't want to miss out on Kyrie Irving for him. At this point though, I'd take Favors over every other prospect that's projected to go in this draft. Perhaps we could make it top 1 protected.

imagine if we got the top pick w/ top 1 protected. lol that would be so flipping funny. irving or jones along w/ our current roster and favors

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

irving or jones along w/ our current roster and favors

Possible future dynasty right there.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Never really a fan of Favors. I don't think he will be close to being as good as Cousins when it's all said and done.

He would just have to be better or as good as the prospect we would have gotten with the pick.

 

[SacTownKid]

If we ended up basically trading any of Irving, Terrence Jones, or Brandon Knight for Derrick Favors, disappointment wouldn't begin to sum it up on my end.

 

[SacTownKid]

Think the bigger question given our likely needs going forward is can he become as good as Al Horford?

Asking a lot considering Al Horford looked like Al Horford in college and Favors didn't. Favors just isn't on that skill level, could be defensively, but Horford has some unique skills for a PF/C.

 

[Bricklayer]

Asking a lot considering Al Horford looked like Al Horford in college and Favors didn't. Favors just isn't on that skill level, could be defensively, but Horford has some unique skills for a PF/C.

I don't think Al Horford looked like much as a frosh either. He just got old in college -- rare nowadays.

 

[hrdboild]

Another reason to take on Murphy's contract in this deal is that it might be used in a trade for Andre Igoudala. We'll have a ton of cap space to spend this summer and very few (if any) free agents warrant a max contract this year. If the Maloofs are serious about spending all of that 30 million in cap space, we'd be better off using some of it on a player like Igoudala. If Evan Turner continues to improve they might be more willing to deal Igoudala.

(Only tangentially related I know, but I doubt they take Dalembert back even for half a season. Actually, since we're under the cap we probably just send them a trade exception?)

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Favors is all athletic clay right now, and was the same in college--high free throw rate, high dunk rate, offensive rebound machine. Considering that I put an absolute premium on athleticism, I thought he was the best long term prospect in last year's draft, even above Wall. I also believe that he's an excellent defender--his team defense looks extremely good with Jersey, and his man D ain't too shabby either, and his shotblocking (good shotblocker in college) will come around. He's extremely foul prone and doesn't have a game outside of 10 feet, but a hyperathletic, rebounding/defensive big is certainly what we need right now, especially one that's young (Dalembert being unlikely to resign with us anyway, and might be traded at deadline). So I'm all for the Favors bandwagon.

Troy Murphy's game is just interesting in every way. Very few guys mutually exclude the way he does--excellent rebounder, excellent three point shooter (especially from up top, a lost art in today's NBA). That often kills two birds with one stone. But his defense is NBA-worst type bad where his overall impact is that of a 10th man, despite the fact that he puts up numbers. It's a conundrum that has made all the teams he's played for lose ton of games (because of his defense), and only now are teams getting smart and starting to realize that he's not really a starter, despite his unique game. Definitely pass.

 

[bajaden]

Favors is all athletic clay right now, and was the same in college--high free throw rate, high dunk rate, offensive rebound machine. Considering that I put an absolute premium on athleticism, I thought he was the best long term prospect in last year's draft, even above Wall. I also believe that he's an excellent defender--his team defense looks extremely good with Jersey, and his man D ain't too shabby either, and his shotblocking (good shotblocker in college) will come around. He's extremely foul prone and doesn't have a game outside of 10 feet, but a hyperathletic, rebounding/defensive big is certainly what we need right now, especially one that's young (Dalembert being unlikely to resign with us anyway, and might be traded at deadline). So I'm all for the Favors bandwagon.

Troy Murphy's game is just interesting in every way. Very few guys mutually exclude the way he does--excellent rebounder, excellent three point shooter (especially from up top, a lost art in today's NBA). That often kills two birds with one stone. But his defense is NBA-worst type bad where his overall impact is that of a 10th man, despite the fact that he puts up numbers. It's a conundrum that has made all the teams he's played for lose ton of games (because of his defense), and only now are teams getting smart and starting to realize that he's not really a starter, despite his unique game. Definitely pass.

Your analysis of Favors is pretty spot on. The only difference between you and I, is that I didn't have him rated as high as you did, because I put more emphasis on skill level than you do. But thats just a matter of opinion. I should point out that Favors and Cousins had almost identical blocked shots per game last year. Although I would certainly give Favors the edge in that dept because of his athleticism. Lets not forget that we do have Whiteside waiting in the wings, and he's a pretty darned good athlete as well. As I said, I like Favors, but I've always looked at him as a 3 to 4 year project before we see the player we want.

I also agree on Murphy. We have little or no need for him. JT may not be as good a rebounder and scorer as Murphy, but he's a defensive all star by comparison. If JT could ever learn to slow down and just take whats there, he could take a giant step forward. He's like the energizer bunny with just one speed. Maybe some stickup on the bottom of his shoes would work.

 

[Nighthawk1]

Favors is all athletic clay right now, and was the same in college--high free throw rate, high dunk rate, offensive rebound machine. Considering that I put an absolute premium on athleticism, I thought he was the best long term prospect in last year's draft, even above Wall. I also believe that he's an excellent defender--his team defense looks extremely good with Jersey, and his man D ain't too shabby either, and his shotblocking (good shotblocker in college) will come around. He's extremely foul prone and doesn't have a game outside of 10 feet, but a hyperathletic, rebounding/defensive big is certainly what we need right now, especially one that's young (Dalembert being unlikely to resign with us anyway, and might be traded at deadline). So I'm all for the Favors bandwagon.

Troy Murphy's game is just interesting in every way. Very few guys mutually exclude the way he does--excellent rebounder, excellent three point shooter (especially from up top, a lost art in today's NBA). That often kills two birds with one stone. But his defense is NBA-worst type bad where his overall impact is that of a 10th man, despite the fact that he puts up numbers. It's a conundrum that has made all the teams he's played for lose ton of games (because of his defense), and only now are teams getting smart and starting to realize that he's not really a starter, despite his unique game. Definitely pass.

I think the things people lose perspective on is the fact Troy Murphy is an expiring contract(No one says we have to play him or keep him). I'm all for 1st + Landry to facilitate Favor's coming here and the trade posted earlier by sidney is exactly what I had in mind except I didn't have Murphy coming our way. I think it's a heavy premium to pay (absorbing his contract + 1st + giving landry) when the only player coming back is Favors. It's not my money being used but I would expect that aspect to come into play for the Maloofs. I think a 1st + Landry would be sufficient to get the job done and if Denver want's ditch a contract for us to absorb I would prefer to possibly add a Garcia to the deal.

We'd look like this after the trade...
Cousins/Dally (exp)
JT/Favors/Whiteside/Jackson/Murphy (exp)
Casspi/Greene
Reke/Greene
Beno/Jeter

I would say at this point JT becomes tradable, along with Dally, Murphy (we could insert a 4th team that could acquire him) and go after some other talent...
NY's Chandler, Charlottes Augustin are a couple guys who have my eye currently and I think they'd be very obtainable with what we have left asset wise.

 

[swisshh]

This draft looks weaker than the last two and lacks a true #1 guy that could change around a team, so I think offering it up in a trade is not a big deal. The only thing is whether or not Irving will be in the draft and how badly the Kings need a PG. I rather prefer a vet guard for the team, but do you pass up getting a nice young PG for a big who probably has more potential? I understand acquiring the best talent you can, but you still have to assemble a team makeup that actually works.

I would probably still do it, but only if, being the GM, I am confident I can sign a vet guard upgrade in the off-season.

 

[Kingster]

Interesting thread. I'd make the deal. He's an athletic phenom. He could become an excellent defender and a very solid offensive player. One thing that I don't think I've read so far in the thread is there are no questions whatsoever concerning his character. And he has an excellent work ethic. So, yes, you would get younger chronologically, but not in terms of emotional maturity. To me, that's a big, big deal on a team with Cousins. The last thing I'd want to add to this team right now is another young player that is high maintenance. Also, when you combine very high athleticism with an excellent work ethic, usually good things will happen with that player down the road.

 

[sc3252]

At this point I would rather trade our draft pick for a veteran since I think Favors is going to bust(still shown nothing). Of course it doesn't matter what I think since Denver wants Derick Favors, thats why every trade actually has him going to Denver... Yes they want more draft picks, but probably not at the expense of Favors.