Espn Rookie Rankings

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Evans 3 behind... Blair 2 and Griffen 1
Casspi ranked 8th
and Brockman ranked 30th ahead of Hasheem Thabeet LOL!!! to all those that wanted this STICK MAN!!! he sucks
 
We missed an absolute gem with Blair, funny thing is that we all had a feeling it could happen, so its not a secret that he could been really good. Yet no one drafted him until 37.
 
I was down with Blair as maybe our 23 pick up, but didnt think he'd drop that low (as most mocks had him going top 10).

Every team in the league is grumpy at the Spurs and themselves.


Good to see Casspi so high up though! I have a feeling he's going to end up even higher when it is all said and done. Dude is solid. And it makes me laugh that Brockman is above Thabust. Memphis done F'd up.
 
gunks said:
I was down with Blair as maybe our 23 pick up, but didnt think he'd drop that low (as most mocks had him going top 10).

Every team in the league is grumpy at the Spurs and themselves.


Good to see Casspi so high up though! I have a feeling he's going to end up even higher when it is all said and done. Dude is solid. And it makes me laugh that Brockman is above Thabust. Memphis done F'd up.
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Thabeet was always going to be a project. Since his impact is on the defensive side of the ball he needs to adjust to the size, speed, and strength of NBA players. That is going to take awhile. He is still 7'3" and that isn't going to change.
 
gunks said:
I was down with Blair as maybe our 23 pick up, but didnt think he'd drop that low (as most mocks had him going top 10).

Every team in the league is grumpy at the Spurs and themselves.


Good to see Casspi so high up though! I have a feeling he's going to end up even higher when it is all said and done. Dude is solid. And it makes me laugh that Brockman is above Thabust. Memphis done F'd up.
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Brockman is better than Thabeet RIGHT NOW. Thabeet has the phsyical tools to be something special, while Brockman is what he is. To take anything besides RIGHT NOW away from these rankings is ridiculous. To say that Brockman should have gone higher than Thabeet is also downright stupidity.

Shaq RIGHT NOW is better than most centers, and almost all young centers not named Dwight. Where would you take Shaq on the list of centers? Not as high as his CURRENT production right? Why? B/c this is as good as he is going to get. Same applies for your Thabeet vs Brockman scenario. Thabeet is higher, and will always go higher than Brockman right now b/c Thabeet can be a lot better than Brockman can.*

*Argument is null and void if Brockman makes deal w/devil and turns into an All-Star.
 
gunks said:
And it makes me laugh that Brockman is above Thabust. Memphis done F'd up.
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I think you're being kinda silly if you're ready to judge a career after 1 NBA game, particularly with a guy who everyone knows is a project.

What did the press say about rookies in Oct-Nov of past years?

Nov 2004, "Who will be this season's best rookie?"
Okafor, 3 votes
Deng, 1 vote
Nocioni, 1 vote
Shaun Livingston, 1 vote
Dwight Howard, 1 vote
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/11/02/preseason.picks/index.html

Nov 2005, best rookies:
#1 Chris Paul
#2 Andrew Bogut
#3 James Singleton
#4 Jose Calderon
#5 Deron Williams
#6 Salim Stoudamire
#7 Channing Frye
#8 Sarunas Jasikevicious
#9 David Lee
#10 Sergei Monia
Runners up: Joey Graham, Jarrett Jack, Johan Petro, Chris Taft, Charlie Villanueva, Marvin Williams.
Not even in the running: Andrew Bynum, Danny Granger, Andray Blatche, Monta Ellis, Ronny Turiaf, Francisco Garcia. All those guys were *obviously* worse than Sergei Monia? :p
http://www.nba.com/features/rookie_rankings_051107.html

Nov 2006:
A whole bunch of writers give their picks for ROY. Adam Morrison gets 1/3 of the votes.
http://www.nba.com/features/nbaexpert_predictions_10272006.html

Nov 2007:
David Thorpe's top 10 rookies:
#1 Yi Jianlian
#2 Kevin Durant
#3 Al Horford
#4 Jamario Moon
#5 Sean Williams
#6 Jeff Green
#7 Jason Smith
#8 Darius Washington
#9 Jared Dudley
#10 Corey Brewer
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-071115

He would update that a couple of weeks later to put Juan Carlos Navarro into the #1 spot.

An alternate list:
#1 Al Horford
#2 Jamario Moon
#3 Sean Williams
#4 Juan Carlos Navarro
#5 Luis Scola
#6 Joakim Noah
#7 Daequan Cook
#8 Jeff Green
#9 Yi Jianlian
#10 Kevin Durant
http://dberri.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/the-top-rookies-again/

No mention in either list of guys like Gasol, Sessions, Stuckey, Thornton, Thad Young, etc...

Everybody who wants Jianlian or Navarro over Durant, raise your hands. :p

Anyway, you get the point...
 
There's not a GM in the league who would ratehr have Brockman than Thabeet. Not even ours.

And Blair...I started nabbing him in fantasy leagues when I saw his absolutely jaw dropping preseason performance. No exaggeration, I had never seen per minute production like that. 13.9pts 7.9rebs 1.9stls in 17.7min? Through preseason he was averaging something like a 40/20/5stls line per 48. And then in his first game he comes out and does it again. He keeps pummeling NBAers like that Duncan isn't even going to be the best big on his own team much longer.

And as an aside, I did not object to the Sergio trade on draft night, seemed reasonable. But the way things workled out with Blair... Given Reke and Casspi's impressive preseason's, we might have missed out on a helluva draft by one draft position -- Reke/Casspi/Blair would have been extremely impressive.
 
i hate the fact that petrie made the sergio trade BEFORE the draft occured.... having the 1st pick in the second round usually gets you a very good player that slipped through the cracks, ie arenas, ellis, jordan (clips)....

GP had all the cards in his hands and instead of waiting until draft night to pull a deal and waiting to see who fell to him, he made a pre-draft trade, before we knew what would unfold....

i think that is what is frustrating about losing out on blair.... true, no one could have predicted he would fall like that, but someone worth taking a shot at would have been available at pick #31 (i.e. sam young, chase budinger, patty mills, etc.)

But as usual, GP played it safe by getting a nice backup PG and a undersized Pf, instead of gambling for the homerome, like usual....
 
Kings Faithful said:
We missed an absolute gem with Blair, funny thing is that we all had a feeling it could happen, so its not a secret that he could been really good. Yet no one drafted him until 37.
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That's revisionist history if I ever saw it. All you have to do is look up the posts from last year on Blair and you will see a TON of skeptics on him: He's too short, doesn't have athleticism, etc., etc.
 
Kingster said:
That's revisionist history if I ever saw it. All you have to do is look up the posts from last year on Blair and you will see a TON of skeptics on him: He's too short, doesn't have athleticism, etc., etc.
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O I know. I wasn't expecting him to go top 5 or anything. And i am totally aware of the criticism against him. The reality is that it was clear he had talent, it was just a risk to take him based off of those criticisms. I just don't think it was a big enough risk to warrent him dropping all the way to the 37 spot, but he did any way so I must be missing something.
 
Bricklayer said:
There's not a GM in the league who would ratehr have Brockman than Thabeet. Not even ours.

And Blair...I started nabbing him in fantasy leagues when I saw his absolutely jaw dropping preseason performance. No exaggeration, I had never seen per minute production like that. 13.9pts 7.9rebs 1.9stls in 17.7min? Through preseason he was averaging something like a 40/20/5stls line per 48. And then in his first game he comes out and does it again. He keeps pummeling NBAers like that Duncan isn't even going to be the best big on his own team much longer.

And as an aside, I did not object to the Sergio trade on draft night, seemed reasonable. But the way things workled out with Blair... Given Reke and Casspi's impressive preseason's, we might have missed out on a helluva draft by one draft position -- Reke/Casspi/Blair would have been extremely impressive.
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I like Brockman but I wanted Blair or Sam Young with that last pick:(:(
 
The concern about Blair was his durability, the worst thing in the world would be if he is an all star for 3 years and then gets a megadeal right before his knees blow out. I don't think its any reason to get down on Sergio since it seemed like a good move at the time... and it gives us some cover for not drafting him with the first pick in the 2nd round because there's no guarantee we would have.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
The concern about Blair was his durability, the worst thing in the world would be if he is an all star for 3 years and then gets a megadeal right before his knees blow out. I don't think its any reason to get down on Sergio since it seemed like a good move at the time... and it gives us some cover for not drafting him with the first pick in the 2nd round because there's no guarantee we would have.
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The worst thing in the world would be if you draft #37 and land a 3-time all star out of it? :p
 
lol... good point. He is struggling a bit today though. Why did he not have his ACL's repaired anyways? I blew mine out but I had another one put in... I walked around without an ACL for 3 months... it was not pretty. I just don't see how he can play a cutting game like basketball with two missing acl's... a testament to his tenacity.
 
So this is gonna turn into yet another "we shoulda drafted..." thread?

Geez...

I'm a little interested in how Griffin can be number 1 in the rankings when he's gonna be out for six weeks myself.
 
Bricklayer said:
The worst thing in the world would be if you draft #37 and land a 3-time all star out of it? :p
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Ok yeah that sounds dumb, but still you don't want a Grant Hill situation. Especially when you figure we'd also be needing to make decisions on Reke and Omri at the same time.
 
whos number 1?

oh, its jennings... i just checked espn. i dont have insider but it said that he was number 1.
 
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Jennings is a beast. Ah well, I wasnt on his bandwagon predraft, and I'm still not on it.

Reke will come around.

Nice to see Omri movin on up. As well he should be.
 
One thing to remember wit Jennings is that he could very well end up hated by everyone like A.I. Vs Evans is a baller and a "good guy"
 
yeah, he has that iverson swag. either you hate him or you love him.....
 
I always thought Jennings had the talent and early on he was my wish for the Kings draft. But he had some major attitude problems that set off red flags. I'm sure he's playing with a chip on his shoulder right now and its helping him break out early on - the question is whether that develops into a chip on his shoulder against a coach or teammate or someone else that he feels isn't giving him his due and then what?
 
i dont know, he might have a gilbert arenas type of chip on his shoulder. he thought that he would be drafted higher than 10th... he was my second choice after he who shall remain nameless...

he is a straight baller....
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I always thought Jennings had the talent and early on he was my wish for the Kings draft. But he had some major attitude problems that set off red flags. I'm sure he's playing with a chip on his shoulder right now and its helping him break out early on - the question is whether that develops into a chip on his shoulder against a coach or teammate or someone else that he feels isn't giving him his due and then what?
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Lets also remember that his first four opponents weren't Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Allen Iverson and Russell Westbrook
 
We didn't draft Evans to help us win more games this year. We draft Evans for his potential down the line, and we draft Evans so we DONT have to draft another point guard next year (I.E. John Wall). Drafting our PG of the future today, narrows what we need from next years draft. The worst thing we could do is draft JW next year. I would much rather have Ebanks or Al-Faruq-Aminu.
 
Man, I took sooo much flak for repping Jennings all year so it feels pretty good to see him off to such a hot start. I'm a Kings fan in the end so I'm hoping Tyreke comes on strong and wins ROY, but I wouldn't be all that upset if Jennings continues to prove people wrong. Dude's already a star.
 
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