[ESPN Insider]Ron Artest to Houston?

bmac423

bmac423

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I didn't see this posted anywhere here, so I thought I would put it up for you guys.

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http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blo...spn/blog/index?entryID=2897870&name=ford_chad

Here are a few trade rumors along with updates from the NBA workout scene:

• One possible destination for Ron Artest this summer? Houston, to be reunited with his former coach Rick Adelman. I'm told the Rockets have been quietly putting out feelers about Artest, and the price might be right. I hear it would cost the Rockets Bob Sura (he has only $1 million in salary protection next year), Kirk Snyder, Vasilis Spanoulis and this year's first-round draft pick.

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I don't know how I feel about this as a Rockets fan. I love Ron Ron's talent, but he has the obvious problems plus we have Battier, so this move seems a little redundant unless he is getting moved as well. I also hate losing that pick in this deep draft.
 
bmac423 said:
I don't know how I feel about this as a Rockets fan. I love Ron Ron's talent, but he has the obvious problems plus we have Battier, so this move seems a little redundant unless he is getting moved as well. I also hate losing that pick in this deep draft.
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RA, Artest, Bonzi and TMac. I just became a Rockets fan.
 
I would do it. I think w/ Ron on the team this year we have no chance of contending for a title. I would rather take the 26 and get the "best available" player and a few salaries that would be ending in the next couple years. I think Acie Law might drop to 26, and REALLY would love that pick.

I am all for the trade. If we don't have a winner in place than might as well trade a piece that is disruptive.
 
Well that would be...interesting. Its obvious Houston is trying to make a major splash -- heard they are also after Lewis, trying to get him somehow with Battier. But not sure they should gamble on Ron or not. What are you going to do with Ron and Shane together? One of them play OG? PF? :eek: Uhoh...that last one suddenly sounded possible.

In any case, with TMac and Yao already there, getting a guy with Ron's pesonality who may fight with them for shots and whatnot is a bit questionable.

The cost is pretty much the same as always -- its that same batch of assets that Houston is always going to offer because its pretty much all they have. Prefer Miami's package, as long as they are not going to foist Antoine Walker off on us. We've also got a spare Bibby for sale. ;)
 
I think w/ Bonzi, and Adelman there Artest would be fine. I don't see him giving them problems... For at least a year...

Wouldn't it be awesome if we also traded Bibby to Miami for Kapono, Williams, and the #20? w/ the #10, #20 pick and the #26 we can shore up PG, and PF. Plus we would just gan a ton of cap space w/in a year or two to sign players RIGHT whn the guys we draft this year are understanding the NBA game.

Again, i am all for this.
 
Bricklayer said:
Well that would be...interesting. Its obvious Houston is trying to make a major splash -- heard they are also after Lewis, trying to get him somehow with Battier. But not sure they should gamble on Ron or not. What are you going to do with Ron and Shane together? One of them play OG? PF? :eek: Uhoh...that last one suddenly sounded possible.

In any case, with TMac and Yao already there, getting a guy with Ron's pesonality who may fight with them for shots and whatnot is a bit questionable.

The cost is pretty much the same as always -- its that same batch of assets that Houston is always going to offer because its pretty much all they have. Prefer Miami's package, as long as they are not going to foist Antoine Walker off on us. We've also got a spare Bibby for sale. ;)
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Do you think Artest could play the 4? He certainly has the girth for it, but he is a little on the short side for a 4. We tried it with Shane early this season with Snyder at the 2 and it didn't work out too well.

As for Bibby, I would love to get him. I'd much rather throw Battier into this deal and get Bibby instead of Artest. A team with Rafer Alston at the point will never compete for a title.
 
idontknow, why not.. i like the pick, i like spanoulis and i'd like to deal ron, we are trying to get younger right?
i rather get this package of youth then trading vet for vet because we wont get equal production in return, anyone know the years left on thos guys contract?
 
Bibby_10 said:
RA, Artest, Bonzi and TMac. I just became a Rockets fan.
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While these are the main ingredients to Thermite, the one guy who might keep them on track is Adelman. But if the Kings can get anything for Ron at this point they have to take it. As tallented as he is he is just too much of a distraction for a building team.
 
I call BS. Every other day ESPN says we're going to trade Ron Ron to this team or that team, if it was ever true he'd have been on every team in the league by now. They didn't even break the Ron to Sac trade, IIRC Peter Vecsey and one of those NY papers did.
 
If Kenny Thomas was somehow included into the package then I could see the Kings going for it...I'd try to get Head out of it though.,
 
It's not an ideal trade, but it works for me. I don't really think much of Snyder, Spanoulis is supposed to be good if given the chance, and the draft pick is ok. Not exhilarating (Smills91, clearly, has an idea to make it moreso), but it would do.
 
Smills91 said:
If Kenny Thomas was somehow included into the package then I could see the Kings going for it...I'd try to get Head out of it though.,
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I would consider a swap of Juwan Howard for KT or Reef. If it's KT, I would want to keep that draft pick.
 
bmac423 said:
Do you think Artest could play the 4? He certainly has the girth for it, but he is a little on the short side for a 4. We tried it with Shane early this season with Snyder at the 2 and it didn't work out too well.
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Not really, but small ball mania being what it is, and the Rockets options being Chuck Hayes and Juwan Howard...:eek:

Thing is, Shane is a crappy rbeounder. Makes PF a bad match. Ron on the other hand has always been a crappy rebounder too (I know, does not fit the image), but he started off last season playing like a man possessed on the boards, and was over 8 a game at one point. Unfortunately he got tired of ti -- and that was pretty much it too. He openly said I'm getting too banged up doing all this inside work, and so he just quit doing it.

And just from a tactical standpoint, you are taking one of the great SF defenders in the league, and a guy with a nearly unique combination of strength and quick feet, and kind of wasting him in there trying to defend much bigger guys in the post.

I understand what Houston's trying to do, and a TMac, Yao, Artest, Bonzi, Battier quintet just sounds like it could be all kinds of nasty...but I just remain dubious. Still no PF, still no PG.

You want to really have fun as the new Kings, trade for Artest, revive Bonzi, and then sign Webb as your PF.

C- Yao
PF- Webb
SF- Artest
OG- TMac
PG- Yippy the thrice neutered chipmunk

OG/SF - Wells
SF/PF - Battier
PF/C - Howard
C- Deke

Now if you could just do anything to move Rafer for a real PG...well, would be entertaining at least. As talented as any team in the league. Oh, and just a powderkeg waiting to go off. ;) Adelman's really good with personalities but...
 
bmac423 said:
I would consider a swap of Juwan Howard for KT or Reef. If it's KT, I would want to keep that draft pick.
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I think the pick would be the main point. It's be expiring crap and a late pick for an elite talent with issues. Thing is you guys have one of the best player's coaches in the league now. Watch Bonzi return to form and you'll see what I mean.

KT for Howard means one year less of a big contract and might sweeten the deal enough for Petrie to consider. Miami's deal of Wright, pick, and expiring deals is still better - even with that KT/Howard swap.
 
Gary said:
I would do it. I think w/ Ron on the team this year we have no chance of contending for a title. I would rather take the 26 and get the "best available" player and a few salaries that would be ending in the next couple years. I think Acie Law might drop to 26, and REALLY would love that pick.

I am all for the trade. If we don't have a winner in place than might as well trade a piece that is disruptive.
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...so your saying we're a contender without him!?:confused:
 
Bricklayer said:
As talented as any team in the league. Oh, and just a powderkeg waiting to go off. ;) Adelman's really good with personalities but...
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T-Mac and Yao are so laid back, I think it could actually benefit the team to have a personality like Artest in the mix for the short term. I think he would give the Rox one good year, 2 if we're lucky. That's why I'm hesitant to give up that pick.
 
bmac423 said:
T-Mac and Yao are so laid back, I think it could actually benefit the team to have a personality like Artest in the mix for the short term. I think he would give the Rox one good year, 2 if we're lucky. That's why I'm hesitant to give up that pick.
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Why in the world would you be worried about developing young talent? You're looking for the talent to get you over the Dallas/San Antonio/Phoenix hump to win it all...not about a #26 pick who might be good in 3 years. 3 more years and you guys are going to be old. Time is now I would think.
 
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sidney said:
Why in the world would you be worried about developing young talent? You're looking for the talent to get you over the Dallas/San Antonio/Phoenix hump to win it all...not about a #26 pick who might be good in 3 years. 3 more years and you guys are going to be old. Time is now I would think.
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Depends on who you get with the 26th pick. If you pick a guy like Morris Almond, you're getting a guy who's already an extremely polished scorer but has little upside. He could come in and become a solid bench player.

Or you could go with a project but more likely they'll pick someone like Almond.
 
Petrie ain't stupid, that proposal is a feable attempt by Houston...if they're gonna get either Mike or Ron they'll have to move Battier.
 
I'd gladly move Bibby in a move around Battier, then deal Ron to Miami, and you actually end up with a balanced squad along the lines of:

JWill (expiring)
Martin
Battier
Draft pick
Miller

Then look to deal Salmons and SAR for more expirings/youth.
 
Wow. I just posted about the wondrous possibility. Maybe my PJ wish is going to come true too!:D

All I can say is:


Make My Day!
 
Smills91 said:
Petrie ain't stupid, that proposal is a feable attempt by Houston...if they're gonna get either Mike or Ron they'll have to move Battier.
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Well it depends on what other teams are offering. At the very least, the houston deal gives you salary cap relief.
 
sidney said:
Why in the world would you be worried about developing young talent? You're looking for the talent to get you over the Dallas/San Antonio/Phoenix hump to win it all...not about a #26 pick who might be good in 3 years. 3 more years and you guys are going to be old. Time is now I would think.
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This win now stuff scares me a little. T-Mac has back problems. I love Yao to death, but the beatings he takes every night are bound to catch up with him. If we made a trade for Artest, who knows how long it will be before he goes awol. Like you said, I think this team has a 3 year window. I'm afraid that after that window we will have a bunch of washed up has beens and scrubs. The Rudy Gay trade alone could haunt the Rockets franchise for the next decade. So I do want some guys that have a chance to be good in three years so hopefully they can fill the holes when the current cast is gone.
 
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