Erased like it never happened?

[VF21]

uolj - Believe whatever you wish, but the story wasn't edited...It disappeared.

Bottom line for me is that at least you can find out - once again - on the official Kings website that Rick Adelman is no longer the coach of the Sacramento Kings.

I firmly believe they removed the story because someone panicked. But at least they've corrected the error.

 

[uolj]

uolj - Believe whatever you wish, but the story wasn't edited...It disappeared.

Bottom line for me is that at least you can find out - once again - on the official Kings website that Rick Adelman is no longer the coach of the Sacramento Kings.

I firmly believe they removed the story because someone panicked. But at least they've corrected the error.

I agree with you that they removed the story because someone panicked, and I understand that it disappeared. That's probably what I would have done if I was working on the website.

With the actions of the organization over the last few years, it is also obvious why simple things such as these can so easily trigger the ire of us fans.

 

[Gary]

Bottom line, why keep a story up there that is VERY unpopular with the fans? I know what we did to Adelman was wrong, and it was a HUGE slap in the face to fans, and Adelman alike. For them to pull a story like that which is in our (the majority of the fans) eyes one of the worst moves they could make makes total sense. I think it was a slap in the face to keep it up there for Adelman, and fans as well. I don't want to see that even if it had been archived. When I want Kings news I come here, not go to kings.com. That site seems more for public relations purposes and finding out about whats going on with the organization.

Plus Diva had said something about a possible lawsuit or litigation which makes total sense too.

I know if Apple posted that "hey we let go a bunch of hard working web guys" I would tell them to pull that crap off their site immediately. So who knows, maybe Adelman didn't want it up there?

I totallty understand that we should show him respect, and not just "sweep it under the rug". But the way I feel about it is that it's a show of disrepsect to keep it up there. The Kings organization treated him like crap in the end. The Kings organization does not deserve the right to post crap about him. As fans, we deserve the right to remember him, and talk about him here. Although not all of us favored his coaching ways we can all appreciate what he brought to this team, and how successful he helped make us.

 

[Bricklayer]

Plus Diva had said something about a possible lawsuit or litigation which makes total sense too.

I know if Apple posted that "hey we let go a bunch of hard working web guys" I would tell them to pull that crap off their site immediately. So who knows, maybe Adelman didn't want it up there?

Again, the NBA is a completely different animal from your work. Adleman is a public figure. He might not be able to sue them if they said he was cheating on his wife with a space alien.

 

[Gary]

Again, the NBA is a completely different animal from your work. Adleman is a public figure. He might not be able to sue them if they said he was cheating on his wife with a space alien.

I was just comparing company, to company. Basically it's the nature of the corporate world. The Maloofs run the team like a business.

Earlier I posted about how a big boss at Apple got "let go" who had been with the company for 20+ years. He was not really a "public figure" so to speak, but he was one of the guys that was pretty high up in the company. Two sentences were spoke about him in a meeting, and that was pretty much it.

Not trying to compare other than just being the nature of a corporate world. It happens, and it sucks. People are treated like trash everyday, and being that the Maloofs run types of companies that I have worked for in the past I don't put it past them to treat employees the way they treated Adelman.

 

[DocHolliday]

I think you guys are going over board. I think they want to move forward and be positive. If they choose to take the news that was there off. That's their perogative. They put it there, and it's done. Let's move on. I think you guys are really letting your emotions get the best of you. We have one of the top 5 ownerships in the NBA. Consider yourself lucky.

 

[VF21]

Gary - The story is back, BTW.

Did you read this whole thread? I really think you need to go back and see some of the comments.

Web sites devoted to sports teams post stories about hirings, firings, trades, acquisitions, etc. It's part of why the website even exists. The website is devoted to the TEAM. A big part of a team's success or failure is the coaching staff.

Again, comparing Apple to the Sacramento Kings is truly comparing apples to sports teams. They have nothing in common.

 

[VF21]

I think you guys are going over board. I think they want to move forward and be positive. If they choose to take the news that was there off. That's their perogative. They put it there, and it's done. Let's move on. I think you guys are really letting your emotions get the best of you. We have one of the top 5 ownerships in the NBA. Consider yourself lucky.

????????

Maybe I should simply drop and worship at their feet?

Good grief.

The Maloofs are rich and powerful and they own the Sacramento Kings. That doesn't make them gods and it certainly doesn't make them above comments and criticisms.

So, by your way of thinking, no Oakland Raider fan should ever dare to say anything against Al Davis? and God forbid a 49er fan question the great and powerful Dr. York?

 

[Gary]

At least the story has a positive spin on everything. They showed him some respect (which I think they owed him).

 

[nbrans]

At least the story has a positive spin on everything. They showed him some respect (which I think they owed him).

I agree. The Maloofs showed Adelman 10 million times more respect over the past few days than some of the fans on this board have shown the Maloofs.

 

[VF21]

I agree. The Maloofs showed Adelman 10 million times more respect over the past few days than some of the fans on this board have shown the Maloofs.

The Maloofs have stayed in Vegas and tried to put a positive spin on something that could have been handled much better. Showing Adelman respect? Please.

 

[nbrans]

The Maloofs have stayed in Vegas and tried to put a positive spin on something that could have been handled much better. Showing Adelman respect? Please.

I agree that they could have handled it better, but I think some people around these parts should take pause that they were outclassed by the Maloofs over the past few days.

 

[JJ22L]

You know whats going to be hilarious-

When a new coach comes in and takes this team to the WCF- and everyones all "i always said firing adelman was a good idea"


- The one thing i dont like about this board (dont get me wrong i LOVE the board) is the way people bandwagon, and are incredibly hypocritcal about situations.
- Half of the people compaining that adelman is gone were people that were coming to this board and complaining how adelman was screwing things up after every game we lost/won
- All the anti-artest homers saying that trading for artest would make our season worse are now- wow yea...artest is our leader~!!

- For all you people about to bash this post- let me clarify something- Much like when we traded for artest, the team needed a new direction, and i feel that way now. Im impartial to whether Rick was given the boot or not because again, this team needs a new direction. Facts are facts, rick won ALOT....in the regular season...in fact EIGHT regular seasons, that does not discredit him in ANY way, but in 2001-2002 we clearly had the best team in the league and we did not win (bring on the whole "Rick didnt force us to miss free throws arguement", becuase i will ignore it). Rick got us to the top of the mountain repeatedly, and i respect that, but he never took us over it. People need to sit back and realize change can sometimes be good, and sometimes be bad, but you do NOT win a championchip without taking a huge gamble (IE: Artest), and a new coach mixing things up could be what we need to overpass the mountain that is a championchip.

- What DID anger me in this whole situation is the WAY Rick was canned- the maloofs should of had much more respect for what Rick did for this team, and if the reports are true, then i am very very dissapointed in the maturity and respect of this franchise. In which case- i support VF's letter, because its very true.

- What angers me about peoples interpretations, is that "we were starting to win again with rick"...well what? big deal...we get kicked out in another WCF..because lets face it, that 2001-2002 team was AMAZING, and we didnt win then.

- This franchise needed a change, the old ways of the princeton and inefficiently pushing our PG and C to play defense were NOT going to work.
- We constructed a franchise (post 2002) that was broken, face it, we werent getting anywhere. We had a coaching staff constructed about fast paced offense, with smooth passing, and a team constructed with bonzi and ron ron about busting peoples chops in the paint. And people are surprised something like this happened? If we went on with this team, sure we would make noise, but the fundamentally based teams, that are constructed correctly (With a franchise that KNOWS how to use big men, because thats what wins championchips) would still be the ones to win. I see this as a rebuilding phase. No building stands sturdy without a winning foundation, our foundation had passed earlier this decade, and thusly we need a new one.


I understand that what people dont understand scares the living hell out of them. And change is something people dont understand. That does NOT mean that change cant bring the best out of people though, and in this situation, barring adelmans replacement, i still see this team making a huge charge in the playoffs next year, and again, depending on the coach, even to the finals.

-Laugh now, but im one of those Peja for Artest homers who thought a change would be good for our team. This isnt an "I told you so" comment, its just showing that im not saying we will be good in the future out of optimism, im saying it out of experience. Our team will add up, whether people like it now or not, a change could be whats needed to put the team we currently have assembled over the top. And if it isnt- then bring on the "hahah JJ22L i told you so's", because i dont care.
[/rant]

- I guess what im saying is people need to stop freaking out about adelman getting canned (some people are portraying it as the end of the world). Grow up- let it pan out, and if it dosent work it dosent work. I understand why people are mad about HOW he got fired...but please people, saying the team is DOOMED...is a bit over the line..

 

[bozzwell]

You know whats going to be hilarious-

When a new coach comes in and takes this team to the WCF- and everyones all "i always said firing adelman was a good idea"

- The one thing i dont like about this board (dont get me wrong i LOVE the board) is the way people bandwagon, and are incredibly hypocritcal about situations.

- All the anti-artest homers saying that trading for artest would make our season worse are now- wow yea...artest is our leader~!!

- For all you people about to bash this post- let me clarify something- Much like when we traded for artest, the team needed a new direction, and i feel that way now. Im impartial to whether Rick was given the boot or not because again, this team needs a new direction. Facts are facts, rick won ALOT....in the regular season...in fact EIGHT regular seasons, that does not discredit him in ANY way, but in 2001-2002 we clearly had the best team in the league and we did not win (bring on the whole "Rick didnt force us to miss free throws arguement", becuase i will ignore it). Rick got us to the top of the mountain repeatedly, and i respect that, but he never took us over it. People need to sit back and realize change can sometimes be good, and sometimes be bad, but you do NOT win a championchip without taking a huge gamble (IE: Artest), and a new coach mixing things up could be what we need to overpass the mountain that is a championchip.

- What DID angered me in this whole situation is the WAY Rick was canned- the maloofs should of had much more respect for what Rick did for this team, and if the reports are true, then i am very very dissapointed in the maturity and respect of this franchise. In which case- i support VF's letter, because its very true.

- What angers me about peoples interpretations, is that "we were starting to win again with rick"...well what? big deal...we get kicked out in another WCF..because lets face it, that 2001-2002 team was AMAZING, and we didnt win then.

- This franchise needed a change, the old ways of the princeton and inefficiently pushing our PG and C to play defense were NOT going to work.

- The analogy ive been spouting is...in 2002 we broke our arm, it healed back incorrectly for the next 4 years, all be it, it still worked. To correctly heal what was once perfect we have to rebreak (start a new), and contruct a new championchip franchise.

[/rant]

I am fine about the change of direction. But depending on how someone (Maloofs in this case) goes about in the process my resistance to that change will go from none to some to anger and resentment.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You know whats going to be hilarious-

When a new coach comes in and takes this team to the WCF- and everyones all "i always said firing adelman was a good idea"

And when that doesn't actually happen?

 

[bozzwell]

I agree that they could have handled it better, but I think some people around these parts should take pause that they were outclassed by the Maloofs over the past few days.

Maybe you would have a point if bile and anger directed at Maloofs was some residual resentment of rich guys having their own way. In this case it is clearly that the conduct of the ownership has provoked whatever reaction is there. You can't say that Maloofs are classier then me or some other poster because I outclass them in being classless in response to their lack of class in the first class... I mean first place.

 

[VF21]

Maybe you would have a point if bile and anger directed at Maloofs was some residual resentment of rich guys having their own way. In this case it is clearly that the conduct of the ownership has provoked whatever reaction is there. You can't say that Maloofs are classier then me or some other poster because I outclass them in being classless in response to their lack of class in the first class... I mean first place.

Precisely.

 

[DocHolliday]

By the way...

http://www.nba.com/kings/news/Kings_Release_Rick_Adelman.html

It's just down the page a bit. Emphasize the positive, not wants done. Move forward.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I agree that they could have handled it better, but I think some people around these parts should take pause that they were outclassed by the Maloofs over the past few days.

Accurate or not, that's not very high praise either way you slice it.

 

[JJ22L]

And when that doesn't actually happen?

Then we would be in the same situation as we would have been if a staff not built around our team (and vise versa) was still here.

 

[Bricklayer]

Then we will be in the same situation as we would have been if a staff not built around our team was still here and vise versa.

You do not appear to be well versed in the history of Rick Adelman -- like many you confuse the source of the Princeton.

You see this is the SECOND mini-dynasty that Rick has coached. And the first one were athletic, slashers, dominated the glass, and featured numerous roleplayers (Jereome Kersey, Buck Williams et al).

Who exactly do you think redesigned the offense on the fly to empahasize Ron + Bonzi in the post? How much Princeton was left by the end of the year? And this mind you while the season was going on, let alone with preparation.

 

[uolj]

- The one thing i dont like about this board (dont get me wrong i LOVE the board) is the way people bandwagon, and are incredibly hypocritcal about situations.

You must remember that people's opinions in general, and especially posts on message boards, tend to be exaggerated by the people having the opinon and the people listening to (or reading) it.

People might say, "the Maloofs are not classy." But they really mean and feel that the Maloofs have acted without class at a certain time. So later when they mention how the Maloofs made a classy move by doing something, they get jumped on for being hypocritical, when in reality the two opinions don't contradict each other.

Same thing when somebody says something like, "the way the Maloofs treated Adelman was not classy." People naturally just remember a statement about the Maloofs not being classy, so later when the person mentions how the Maloofs made a classy move, again it is jumped on as being hypocritical. And again it is not.

So maybe you won't be so bothered by the "bandwagoning" if you remember that many different people are expressing many different levels of opinion, and assume the least exaggerated interpretation of each one.

 

[kingkung]

He might not be able to sue them if they said he was cheating on his wife with a space alien.

Is he not? Methinks he is. My gut believes it so.

 

[JJ22L]

You do not appear to be well versed in the history of Rick Adelman -- like many you confuse the source of the Princeton.

You see this is the SECOND mini-dynasty that Rick has coached. And the first one were athletic, slashers, dominated the glass, and featured numerous roleplayers (Jereome Kersey, Buck Williams et al).

Who exactly do you think redesigned the offense on the fly to empahasize Ron + Bonzi in the post? How much Princeton was left by the end of the year? And this mind you while the season was going on, let alone with preparation.

You may need to understand that my reference was to the COACHING STAFF- which includes carill.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

And when that doesn't actually happen?

HAHA!! Good point!

 

[SacTownKid]

Erased like it never happened huh? Sounds similar to Kingsfans.com. Noticed a few things disappearing last night, like they were brushed under the rug.

 

[keflanag]

Erased like it never happened huh? Sounds similar to Kingsfans.com. Noticed a few things disappearing last night, like they were brushed under the rug.

EXCELLENT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BRAVO!!!!!!!!!! It's perfectly acceptable for comments on a discussion board to magically disappear, but not on another website.

 

[6th]

EXCELLENT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BRAVO!!!!!!!!!! It's perfectly acceptable for comments on a discussion board to magically disappear, but not on another website.

Obviously, KingsFans.com is a moderated website where certain types of posts will not be allowed as they do not follow the rules of the board. In the case of Kings.com we were talking about the NEWS section. News is deleted and that is a HUGE difference.

 

[VF21]

Erased like it never happened huh? Sounds similar to Kingsfans.com. Noticed a few things disappearing last night, like they were brushed under the rug.

I sent you a PM explaining that action. I would appreciate it if you found a way to get past it.

 

[BigWaxer]

I mean, seriously, who cares how they fired him, they fired him. The bottom line is that they will probably spend more on the next head coach, and THEY DON'T HAVE TO. They don't have to try and put a winner on the floor, they can just put a crappy team on the floor and rely on the Arco faithful to keep showing up and they can either keep getting rich or move the team somewhere else. They didn't have to intercede to get Artest, they didn't have to build a practice facility.

The bottom line is that the Maloofs care about the Kings and they care -- actively care -- about putting a winner on the floor. I don't think Kings fans realize just how rare that is. I could give a crap how they fire the coach, that's between them and Adelman. They're trying to make the team better, and that's the most important thing.

Thats better then I could of said it and its how I feel.

Also the story is up on K.Com now if anyone is interested with links to audio of GP's press conf.