Erased like it never happened?

[QueensFan]

Great links...but the last one is not quite "up"...if you actually go to the NEWS tab and click "media releases", the last one listed is the acquisition of Sergei Monia and Vitaly Potapenko. So, that page is about as "up" as this one.

What a bunch of poop.

Wow, this is hilarious. I guess I should be thanking the Maloofs - this will help soften the blow if the Kings DO leave. I'll still be upset but I am slowly reaching the end of my patience.

Anyhow, Gary, sorry that your company didn't post a public announcement that you were laid off, but you losing your job probably didn't affect your company's customers. The Kings firing Adelman fundamentally changes the Kings as a product, and to withhold that information, even if it is being published in other news outlets, is just false advertising.

 

[Rome]

wow I think your taking this way too far. Just leave the Maloofs alone and let them run the team. You'll be glad you did just like the Artest trade.

 

[VF21]

wow I think your taking this way too far. Just leave the Maloofs alone and let them run the team. You'll be glad you did just like the Artest trade.

You really don't get it, do you?

It's not about the Maloofs running the team. It's about having sunshine blown up our skirts. It's about saying how nice the emperor looks in his new clothes. It's about the GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ telling us to "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

Just to make it crystal clear - It's about President Bush saying he invaded Iraq because of WMD.

It's a bleeping fairy tale. They got caught telling a whopper when they said to the media that it was a "mutual decision." It WASN'T a mutual decision and they should have either said nothing or been honest. They didn't have to lie. They did because, IMHO, they knew they'd get flak for firing Adelman and they had to come up with something.

Shame on them for underestimating the savvy of most Kings fans and for not considering that Rick Adelman wouldn't buy into their little facade.

With an arena deal becoming more and more important, you want to believe the owners of the Sacramento Kings are being honest. When you see concrete evidence they've been dishonest about one thing you have to start wondering about other things.

As I said in another thread, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

 

[nbrans]

This is a mountain out of a molehill. Kings fans know Adelman was let go, why harp on the negative on the site. If there was something up about how great Adelman was people would accuse Kings.com of being phony. If there was something about Adelman being fired people would accuse Kings.com of dragging Adelman through the mud. But there's nothing, so people are accusing Kings.com of a cover up.

Let's get some perspective, people. It's a website.

 

[QueensFan]

This is a mountain out of a molehill. Kings fans know Adelman was let go, why harp on the negative on the site. If there was something up about how great Adelman was people would accuse Kings.com of being phony. If there was something about Adelman being fired people would accuse Kings.com of dragging Adelman through the mud. But there's nothing, so people are accusing Kings.com of a cover up.

Let's get some perspective, people. It's a website.

I think you're making a molehill out of a mountain...well...not quite...

But seriously, to have a story up, then REMOVE it - that's no accident, that's a deliberate action taken because they were caught in a lie, trying to deceive Kings fans....that's us!

I agree with VF. I think it's a big deal.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

This is a mountain out of a molehill. Kings fans know Adelman was let go, why harp on the negative on the site. If there was something up about how great Adelman was people would accuse Kings.com of being phony. If there was something about Adelman being fired people would accuse Kings.com of dragging Adelman through the mud. But there's nothing, so people are accusing Kings.com of a cover up.

Let's get some perspective, people. It's a website.

It's not that they're trying to "cover it up." It's that they're trying to act like it wasn't a big deal... like they fire the head coach every other Tuesday.

 

[RoyalDiva]

some teams do....

 

[nbrans]

It's an unpopular decision, they know it, they're moving on. As should we.

 

[RoyalDiva]

It's very wrong, but the Maloofs are going to run their business the way they want to (arrogant, powerful multi-millionaires are like that) , and there ain't nothin' we fans are able to do about it.

 

[VF21]

They're moving on? Removing articles from the Kings.com website is moving on?

Go to ANY other sports team site and you'll see articles about trades, acquisitions, firings, etc. that may or may not have been popular. They don't remove them.

Since you're in New York, you simply cannot understand the media attention that has been on this story here in Northern California. The story about Adelman was on the Kings website. WHY was it removed? Because it contained information that has now been proven to be "incorrect."

All I'm lobbying for is honesty and accountability. As I said, if they expect the people of the Sacramento area to vote to build them a new arena, they should be above making comments that can be clearly shown to be out and out misstatements.

 

[VF21]

It's very wrong, but the Maloofs are going to run their business the way they want to (arrogant, powerful multi-millionaires are like that) , and there ain't nothin' we fans are able to do about it.

Wrong. There is something we can do about it. We can speak up when we see something done that is clearly wrong.

I love the Kings. That hasn't changed. I want them to remain in Sacramento. BUT I do not want to feel that I have to cosign on anything the Maloofs say or do simply because they're the owners. I pay for tickets with my hard earned $$$. I buy shirts, jerseys, etc. with my hard-earned $$$. I think that gives me a right - in fact, an obligation - to give honest feedback.

 

[KingsChick]

PROPS TO VF ! you go girl !

 

[RoyalDiva]

Wrong. There is something we can do about it. We can speak up when we see something done that is clearly wrong.

I love the Kings. That hasn't changed. I want them to remain in Sacramento. BUT I do not want to feel that I have to cosign on anything the Maloofs say or do simply because they're the owners. I pay for tickets with my hard earned $$$. I buy shirts, jerseys, etc. with my hard-earned $$$. I think that gives me a right - in fact, an obligation - to give honest feedback.

You are very correct that you have a right to air your opinions as a paying customer-just don't think that it will make much of a difference to those big-wigs.

 

[Bricklayer]

It's an unpopular decision, they know it, they're moving on. As should we.

Itys got nothing to do with "them moving on". Everything to do with them rather pathetically trying to defuse a ****bomb by simply tearing the page they don't like out of the history book. Which of course makes it considerably worse.

Way #1 to earn respect is to do the right thing.

In the absence of Way #1, the next best thing would be Way #2 -- being honest and taking your lumps.

Being a weasel, neither doing the right thing, nor even being willing to admit to what you did do, and trying to manipulate the situation to obscure things while you slip out the back door is just...NOT worthy of respect or defense. Its sneaky, slimy, dishonest, and yes, cowardly. If you **** up, and ESPECIALLY if you want to claim that you don't think you really did **** up, that you did the right thing, at least have the balls to stand behind your actions. Ick.

 

[KingsChick]

Yeah, I've sent an e-mail or couple to Kingsfans before. I'm not sure what it was for. ahhh, im not so happy with that site. they have never ever emailed me back. thats why I never even check with them.

 

[keflanag]

They're moving on? Removing articles from the Kings.com website is moving on?

Go to ANY other sports team site and you'll see articles about trades, acquisitions, firings, etc. that may or may not have been popular. They don't remove them.

Since you're in New York, you simply cannot understand the media attention that has been on this story here in Northern California. The story about Adelman was on the Kings website. WHY was it removed? Because it contained information that has now been proven to be "incorrect."

All I'm lobbying for is honesty and accountability. As I said, if they expect the people of the Sacramento area to vote to build them a new arena, they should be above making comments that can be clearly shown to be out and out misstatements.

I think you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. First of all, the article about releasing Rick Adelman is STILL on the front page of Kings.com. It just isn't there in GIANT BOLD letters with a picture of people crying. There also are the links to Petrie's and Rick's press conferences. This isn't about hiding the truth, it's about moving on. I don't blame the Kings organization for not wanting to blast any fan going to Kings.com (including potential ticket purchasers) with the bad news. If you are looking for it, you can easily find it by scrolling down the page.

 

[KingsChick]

I think you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. First of all, the article about releasing Rick Adelman is STILL on the front page of Kings.com. It just isn't there in GIANT BOLD letters with a picture of people crying. There also are the links to Petrie's and Rick's press conferences. This isn't about hiding the truth, it's about moving on. I don't blame the Kings organization for not wanting to blast any fan going to Kings.com (including potential ticket purchasers) with the bad news. If you are looking for it, you can easily find it by scrolling down the page.

actually, you're correct about this.

 

[Revrag]

They just put the links back up. They were not there earlier.

Funny thing is the Media release it links to still says, "The Sacramento Kings and Rick Adelman have mutually agreed that a renewal of his contract...will not be pursued..."

 

[nbrans]

Look, the organziation has the right to choose their "official line" and just because you happen to disagree with their perspective doesn't mean they have to trumpet your opinion all over the official Kings website. Anything short of a 72 point headline on the top of Kings.com screaming WE ***** UP: WE BLEW IT AGAIN, WE DISRESPECTED ADELMAN AND WE KICKED HIS DOG, TOO!! wouldn't satisify anyone around these parts.

It's not about disrespect or covering up or not having the balls to stand behind their actions (last time I checked Adelman is still fired). It's the official line. Let's just relax.

 

[keflanag]

They just put the links back up. They were no there earlier.

Funny thing is the Media release it links to still says, "The Sacramento Kings and Rick Adelman have mutually agreed that a renewal of his contract...will not be pursued..."

My guess is that they were in the process of moving it from the headline article to another spot in the page. It's really no big deal, and not some giant, astronomical conspiracy. I think (unless there is some coach we don't know about, that the Maloof's have been in contact with) that this is one of the dumbest decisions I've seen them make. However, there was not a change in the Kings website due to some huge public outcry. It's just not what they want the major headline to be for fans viewing the website.

 

[Revrag]

Look, the organziation has the right to choose their "official line" and just because you happen to disagree with their perspective doesn't mean they have to trumpet your opinion all over the official Kings website. Anything short of a 72 point headline on the top of Kings.com screaming WE ***** UP: WE BLEW IT AGAIN, WE DISRESPECTED ADELMAN AND WE KICKED HIS DOG, TOO!! wouldn't satisify anyone around these parts.

It's not about disrespect or covering up or not having the balls to stand behind their actions (last time I checked Adelman is still fired). It's the official line. Let's just relax.

Generally news on websites is listed in chronological order with the latest headlines on top. BUT, I think it's acceptable the way it is now. The problem WAS that most of the day ( several hours ) there was absolutely no mention anywhere on the web site about it. It takes seconds to update a web page. The problem was they updated it twice. Once this morning to completely remove it, and again this afternoon to add it back in near the bottom of the page. If it would have been one update that just moved it I don't think this thread would exist. Again, it just shows the "sloppy" way they're handling things lately.

 

[Bricklayer]

Look, the organziation has the right to choose their "official line" and just because you happen to disagree with their perspective doesn't mean they have to trumpet your opinion all over the official Kings website. Anything short of a 72 point headline on the top of Kings.com screaming WE ***** UP: WE BLEW IT AGAIN, WE DISRESPECTED ADELMAN AND WE KICKED HIS DOG, TOO!! wouldn't satisify anyone around these parts.

It's not about disrespect or covering up or not having the balls to stand behind their actions (last time I checked Adelman is still fired). It's the official line. Let's just relax.

Oh, that's B.S. and you know it.

If you're the Maloofs, be a bleeping man and stand behind your mistake, whether you think it was one or not. If you're going to be an *******, at least be a standup *******, not a weasel.

The story was UP Nbrans -- it was what it was and was their own spin. Then it magically disappeared in the face of the outcry which they never seem to anticipate. Now it has magically returned after they started getting complaints. What a spineless bunch of hooey.

 

[KP]

Oh, that's B.S. and you know it.

If you're the Maloofs, be a bleeping man and stand behind your mistake, whether you think it was one or not. If you're going to be an *******, at least be a standup *******, not a weasel.

The story was UP Nbrans -- it was what it was and was their own spin. Then it magically disappeared in the face of the outcry which they never seem to anticipate. Now it has magically returned after they started getting complaints. What a spineless bunch of hooey.

Why do you even try?

 

[nbrans]

Oh, that's B.S. and you know it.

If you're the Maloofs, be a bleeping man and stand behind your mistake, whether you think it was one or not. If you're going to be an *******, at least be a standup *******, not a weasel.

The story was UP Nbrans -- it was what it was and was their own spin. Then it magically disappeared in the face of the outcry which they never seem to anticipate. Now it has magically returned after they started getting complaints. What a spineless bunch of hooey.

It's juuuuuust a website. Do you think Joe and Gavin Maloof manage the website? Are they sitting around in their pajamas fiddling with html and saying to themselves, "You know, the cowardly move would be to remove this from the site" and pressing delete?

Look, I'm as pissed as everyone that Adelman was fired, but the Maloofs came out and explained their actions, they're not changing their minds, and getting super pissed over whether a story that EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT is on the company website or not is beyond pointless. PEOPLE KNOW ADELMAN WAS FIRED.

 

[thesanityannex]

I had no idea an "erased" story would cause so much clamor.

 

[Bricklayer]

It's juuuuuust a website. Do you think Joe and Gavin Maloof manage the website? Are they sitting around in their pajamas fiddling with html and saying to themselves, "You know, the cowardly move would be to remove this from the site" and pressing delete?

Look, I'm as pissed as everyone that Adelman was fired, but the Maloofs came out and explained their actions, they're not changing their minds, and getting super pissed over whether a story that EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT is on the company website or not is beyond pointless. PEOPLE KNOW ADELMAN WAS FIRED.

You still don't get it. I could give a damn about who was fired, traded, screwed over, or beheaded.

Not the point.

Beyond the likely mistake of firing Adelman, this is about HOW YOU CONDUCT YOURSELF. Its about whether the organization we call our own, who's colors we wear, who's name we tout, has any sense of honor, courtesy, honesty and a bunch of other characteristics that absolutley DO still matter. Its about how you treat people, and how you conduct yourself. And its got NOTHING to do with wins or losses. You can be the crappiest team in the league, and still do it right. Or you can be an embarrassing vat of swill like the JailBlazers, make the playoffs every year, and be an embarrassment.

 

[nbrans]

You still don't get it. I could give a damn about who was fired, traded, screwed over, or beheaded.

Not the point.

Beyond the likely mistake of firing Adelman, this is about HOW YOU CONDUCT YOURSELF. Its about whether the organization we call our own, who's colors we wear, who's name we tout, has any sense of honor, courtesy, honesty and a bunch of other characteristics that absolutley DO still matter. Its about how you treat people, and how you conduct yourself. And its got NOTHING to do with wins or losses. You can be the crappiest team in the league, and still do it right. Or you can be an embarrassing vat of swill like the JailBlazers, make the playoffs every year, and be an embarrassment.

I mean, seriously, who cares how they fired him, they fired him. The bottom line is that they will probably spend more on the next head coach, and THEY DON'T HAVE TO. They don't have to try and put a winner on the floor, they can just put a crappy team on the floor and rely on the Arco faithful to keep showing up and they can either keep getting rich or move the team somewhere else. They didn't have to intercede to get Artest, they didn't have to build a practice facility.

The bottom line is that the Maloofs care about the Kings and they care -- actively care -- about putting a winner on the floor. I don't think Kings fans realize just how rare that is. I could give a crap how they fire the coach, that's between them and Adelman. They're trying to make the team better, and that's the most important thing.

 

[bozzwell]

Whether you agree with Rick's firing or not the official line is bunch of Vegas style sleazballs doing what Vegas style sleazballs do when they are not designing terrible gold lame basketball jerseys.

I've had this nagging suspicion that Maloofs are type of the owner that while extremely successfull in running the business that afforded them opportunity to go out and buy a professional franchise have NO business in actually running their sports franchise. All their moves recently seem to be "me too" moves. So much so that I am little a bit embarassed for them (but not as much as I am embarassed of them). Sure, sometimes their knee-jerk moves pan out better then anyone would have hoped for (Pedja for Artest), but generally even when they do the right thing their is a bad aftertaste for at least some parties involved. I still believe that Chris was traded because Maloofs genuinly believed that the best way to avoid paying the rest of his contract was to break it into 2-3 tradeable deals. They really came through with Artest, but even then they did not handle obviously upset Pedja (and it was clearly not their fault that news were leaked before the deal was done).

Now, in their true "me too" fashion they will get themselves their own coach, with whome they can have "personal relationship". Why can't they be more honest and upfront about it? Even if they used well worn cliches like "wanting to go in different direction..." or some such? My theory is because they are me too guys when it comes to business outside thier core competency - they react to what is "hot" or what other owners do etc. Maybe they will get it right, maybe we will become Pistons West in time, but it is uncanny how much Maloofs are following in the footsteps of Cuban: Cuban starts a film company - so do Maloofs, Cuban becomes fiscally responsible and "gets rid" of the stud that would cost too much (Nash) - so do the Maloofs (Chris); Cuban gets his own coach - so will Maloofs. Except that Cuban did all his dealing with more class and style (well if that is not an indictment I don't know what is): Cuban never shied away from questions about 2 time MVP that he deemed too expensive (while employing KVH and overpaying that other stiff), Cuban implemented orderly transition from Nellie to Avery (still pays Nellie to stay away from the team) and his production company is doing some really innovative, great work (concurrently releasing titles in theaters, on-demand and DVD). I am still waiting for that Maloof production with Vlade and Nellie - who wants to bet that it will bomb?

Meanwhile, Maloofs do their me-too thing without truly understanding the motivation and decision making that goes into building Pistons or refashioning Dallas (from _allas). Sometimes we will win (see Artest, Bonzi if he is resigned) but I have to fear that there will be blunders too. And I am nto talking just about web site edits.

 

[uolj]

While I completely agree with those who are unhappy with the way the Maloofs and the Kings organization in general has been handling things, I think this particular error probably isn't the best example of that.

My guess is that whomever updates the website added an article based on what Petrie said: "mutual decision". Then, as more news came out, like Adelman's side of things, they decided that wasn't an appropriate headline, and so they removed it, intending to add it back with more appropriate wording. Perhaps they were waiting for instructions from above, or maybe they were just working on it, but in the meantime they didn't want the misleading headline being displayed.

Not that big of deal, really. The fault here probably lies with Petrie trying to do the right thing and make it not sound like a "firing".

 

[LA King Fan II]

I really think the damage was done over the summer. I also think that the Maloof's letting everyone know they were chasing Phil was a bigger mistake than firing Adelman.

I know that Adelman says he was thinking about staying, IMO the negotiation would have been a bitter one based on the hurt feelings from last summer. The Maloof's didn't want to swallow all that pie.

Frankly, I enjoyed the run with Adelman but think the damage was irreparable from last summer. For some odd reason despite I'm still a King fan despite growing up with Elgin and Jerry. I still was without Webb/Vlade/B-jax/Christie. Still am. I still will be (I think) when they get rid of Michael Bibby this summer.

As a fan I think Porter would be swell as a King coach. I think the team turnaround this year was because of Artest and Bonzi - not because of Adelman's coaching.