Dream Team Draft --- The Fantasy Team (8) Vs. The Homogeneous Mixture (9)

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SacKings7 (8)
1: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar --- C
2: Jason Kidd --- PG
3: George Gervin --- SG
4: Paul Pierce --- SF
5: Charles Oakley --- F/C
6: Larry Brown --- Head Coach
7: Bruce Bowen --- SF
8: Amare Stoudemire --- F/C
9: Dennis Johnson --- PG
10: Theo Ratliff --- C/F
11: Michael Redd --- SG
12: Hedo Turkoglu ---G/F
13: Chris 'Birdman' Anderson --- PF
14: Herb Brown --- Asst. coach
15: The Fantasy Team

Vs.

Larry89 (9)
1: Tim Duncan --- PF/C
2: Scottie Pippen --- SG/SF
3: Walt Fraizer --- PG
4: Mitch Richmond --- SG
5: Ben Wallace --- PF/C
6: Gregg Popovich --- Head Coach
7: Detlef Schrempf --- SG/SF/PF
8: Sam Cassell --- PG
9: Rasheed Wallace --- PF/C
10: Dale Davis --- PF/C
11: Richard Hamilton ---
12: Shane Battier --- SF
13: Micheal Finley --- SG
14: Del Harris --- Asst. Coach
15: The Homogeneous Mixture


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[Larry89]

Homerism set aside I will defend my team, I expected to be ranked much higher but that is ok

Seemingly evenly matched up, I think my team has a distinct advantage and it is their experience and coaching.

Let's remember Popovich and Brown both have similar coaching styles, but Popovich having the better offensive capabilities w/ the talent provided to him *circa 2005 Spurs over Suns

Also, lets not forget Pop has also trumped the defending champion Detroit Pistons in 2005, with Duncan giving DPOY Ben Wallace and All Star (twin towers) their all averaging 20.6/14.1/2.14. Oh yeah, Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace, they're on my team too

Amare? Meh Duncan owns him, now Jabbar.. thats a legend , I would have to matchup Ben Wallace on him, he has the quickness and ferocity to battle Jabbar.

So you want offense? Double Duncan, Help on Richmond, Leave Pippen or Fraizer Open, or vice versa, how about I put in Cassel? I'm sure he won't have a hard time posting up Jason Kidd, oh wait, lets not forget Fraizer is 6'4 210

I would also assume oakley would foul out fast if he was guarding Duncan, we are after all playinng in today's game.

Pippen on Pierce, Richmond on Gervin, if Richmond has trouble, meh I'll just throw in battier/pippen, better than Artest/Battier in Housten, just alot more disruptive and smarter...

 

[Bricklayer]

This is a tough one. Lot of excellent roleplayer types on Larry's team (Finley, Battier, Wallace, Cassel and Shrempf were all on my lists), but I do wonder if Duncan could contend with 7'2" Kareem's skyhook in his prime though. And he's not truly a center, nor are any of the reserves.

 

[Larry89]

Let me add some other stuff also, Duncan has gone against Shaq, Camby, Webber, Garnett all greats of the decade..

He is clutch and when you need him he shows up, he is also a team player, this is a Greg Popovich team built on good passing.

I also do wonder, where is the outside shooting going to come from? I wouldn't think Pierce would be enough shooting, not sure about Gervin's outside shooting either.. Kidd?

I also think some underrated how good of post and help defenders Duncan and B Wallace were, Ben Wallace was a machine, hustling and tapping balls to himself and blocking Shots, You would have Duncan and Wallace Double Jabbar, I could go big and move Scottie to SG and Bring in Schrempf as forward

thats a 6'4 PG 6'7 lengthy SG a 6'10 forward a 6'11PF Then I could Bring in Sheed at 6'11 to stretch the floor

 

[Bricklayer]

"Big" Ben might be able to double Jabbar's knee, that's about it.

Kareem had a PG who was taller...


He and Oak could have a great hustle battle at the PF though.

 

[SacKings7]

Ben Wallace is 6'9..hardly a tower .

I think it's a pretty even matchup too, I must say. I don't expect to win this, mainly because of Richmond being a favorite on this board.

DPOY or not, Wallace cannot stop Kareem. The skyhook is virtually unblockable, especially with that height advantage.

Oakley and Bowen will drive the Homogenous Mixture nuts, getting under their skin with pesky defense (and a few dirty plays thrown in when the refs aren't looking). Both have shown the ability to knock some of the best players off their game, mainly because they're just so mad with their defense.

There's only 5 players allowed on the court at one time. And while Larry89 built his team around defense, my team can put out almost as good a team defensively, and I feel a better team if both teams say screw the defense, let's just play offense. I could play like Orlando and put Hedo at PF (but handling the ball) and put Gervin, Pierce, and Redd out there, along with Kareem. Kareem will score at will unless he's double teamed, at which point he just kicks out to whoever's open for the 3.

Anyway, may the best team win

 

[SLAB]

I love it!

We have a battle of words withing the first hour of posting!
Lets keep this up in all threads!

Playoffs ROCK~

 

[Larry89]

Well Bowen is coming off the bench, so either you take out Gervin or Pierce... Hell, I'm pretty sure Mitch can dominate bowen, he is bulky and strong and posts up..

When worst comes to worse I'll Put in Sheed/Duncan Duncan on Jabbar, Sheed on Oakley.

Fraizer and Kidd is a wash.. comes down to Pippen/Battier Locking Down on Gervin/Pierce, and sure, we'll let you have those threes if you can make them take out gervin, put in Redd, Battier will be on Redd..

Good Luck Sackings7... this is probably the most intense matchup of them all

 

[kingsnation]

This had to be one of the toughest votes yet. I ended up going with Larry. I think the x factor matchup is Pierce vs Pippen and I think Scottie shuts him down.

Also, another thing - Duncan with Pop is genius.

 

[Larry89]

Bah if anything Oakley will foul out in one quarter

 

[Larry89]

I am also curious to see how Sacking's team fares with Larry Brown coaching? Sure you can put 5 offensive players on at the same time, but how committed to the Larry Brown system are they?
How effective would those players be off the ball, Larry Brown is a micromanaging grind it out pace coach, would Jason Kidd be less effective?

I am also thinking some people underrated how powerful a good help defensive/post/perimeter juggernaut could be. The Spurs have totally dominated the Suns for the decade, the Pistons knocked off the "greatest team ever assembled". A Pippen/Wallace/Fraizer combo would be insanely disruptive in passing lanes.

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[SacKings7]

Bah if anything Oakley will foul out in one quarter

Come on now, give my coaches a little bit of credit.

In the meantime, when Rasheed comes in he might have a chance to jack up a 3 or two before Oakley causes him to get 2 quick T's and an ejection.

And Kidd doesn't need to run to be effective. One of the greatest PG's of all time isn't deemed useless just because of who the coach is. Having said that, I'm sure Larry will realize who his PG is and let him run if given the opportunity

 

[Larry89]

Come on now, give my coaches a little bit of credit.

In the meantime, when Rasheed comes in he might have a chance to jack up a 3 or two before Oakley causes him to get 2 quick T's and an ejection.

And Kidd doesn't need to run to be effective. One of the greatest PG's of all time isn't deemed useless just because of who the coach is. Having said that, I'm sure Larry will realize who his PG is and let him run if given the opportunity

I don't think I've ever seen Rasheed get ejected from an important playoff game, technicals? Yes but not ejected, and he never jacked up as many threes as he did now in his prime, he was a definite low post monster.

Remember the change from 2005 to 2006 When Larry Brown turned into Flip Saunders? the team went from averaging 90points a game to 106 the next year, Larry Brown runs HIS system, I'm sure you also remember the debacle in New York right..

 

[SacKings7]

I don't think I've ever seen Rasheed get ejected from an important playoff game, technicals? Yes but not ejected, and he never jacked up as many threes as he did now in his prime, he was a definite low post monster.

Remember the change from 2005 to 2006 When Larry Brown turned into Flip Saunders? the team went from averaging 90points a game to 106 the next year, Larry Brown runs HIS system, I'm sure you also remember the debacle in New York right..

Yes, I'm taking the version of Larry Brown that coached the Knicks .

Players and coaches are drafted as in their prime, and if you think Larry was in his prime then, well...you need to do research. Larry is the only coach EVER to lead 7 different franchises to the playoffs, and the only coach EVER to win a championship in the NBA as well as NCAA.

As for Rasheed, I think you're right on that point. However, Rasheed is far from disciplined, and he's never had to play against Oakley before either.

 

[Larry89]

I think you are missing my point here, Larry Brown was in his prime when he won a championship with Detroit, that team was a isolation grind it out team that bought into his system.

The next year he went to the Knicks, and tried to change the ways of the Knicks and failed miserably, sure alot of it was with the players, but if most of the success was running w/ the Knicks, then why did he not want them to run?

The most prominent teams Jason Kidd has been on were running teams, Phoenix/New Jersey, and that is where most of his greatness has come from. But do you think he can still be as effective under Brown? Larry Brown has NEVER changed his system at all, from the Spurs to the Pacers to the Pistons..

I'm just wondering if you can stick in a Steve Nash or Chris Paul into a half court Detroit Piston team and have the player be as effective. All I'm saying is your tema will most likely molded into a half-court grind it out team.. and I'm questioning how effective those players will be

by the way, I'm thinking Oakley would be ejected before Rasheed

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[SacKings7]

I think you are missing my point here, Larry Brown was in his prime when he won a championship with Detroit, that team was a isolation grind it out team that bought into his system.

The next year he went to the Knicks, and tried to change the ways of the Knicks and failed miserably, sure alot of it was with the players, but if most of the success was running w/ the Knicks, then why did he not want them to run?

The most prominent teams Jason Kidd has been on were running teams, Phoenix/New Jersey, and that is where most of his greatness has come from. But do you think he can still be as effective under Brown? Larry Brown has NEVER changed his system at all, from the Spurs to the Pacers to the Pistons..

I'm just wondering if you can stick in a Steve Nash or Chris Paul into a half court Detroit Piston team and have the player be as effective. All I'm saying is your tema will most likely molded into a half-court grind it out team.. and I'm questioning how effective those players will be

by the way, I'm thinking Oakley would be ejected before Rasheed

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Yes. The stats will obviously suffer, as a slower pace equals less shots, but Kidd isn't in the league because he can run. He can set up an offense, and is one of the most accurate passers to ever play the game.

As for your video...if that happens, Sheed would lose his mind. I'll gladly take an Oakley ejection if it means a Sheed ejection as well. Because the only real problem with your team is your lack of frontcourt depth. I have Amare, Ratliff, Andersen, and even Hedo to fill in for Oak. With Sheed gone, it's down to Duncan, Ben, and Davis. You could try Schrempf and Battier there if you like, but my bigs are too tall/strong for them to handle (Hedo/Schrempf matchup would be a wash)

EDIT: And we were both wrong about Rasheed in the playoffs:

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Anyway, I'm done campaigning. May the best team win. I certainly wouldn't be upset if you win, because you have a great team.

 

[Larry89]

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