Draft remorse: WCS over ____________(split)

[ESP47]

I think too much is being made about WCS's rebounding. He had one bad rebounding game and averaged 6.5 in the other two in less than 20 minutes. Pretty sure his 1 reb game was an anomaly just in the same way Cousins had a few games with less than 5 last year. It doesn't look like he will ever be a beast on the boards (at least not early on) but he looks to me like he will at least get to Jason Thompson rebounding levels.

He's averaging 4.9 blocks per 36min so far. That's insane. Even half that in the regular season will be awesome.

 

[gunks]

If WCS can average a solid "JT" level of rebounding.... 6.5 to 8, I'll be pumped.

Next to Cuz that is fine. If Willie has a 1 rebound game, you know Boogie is probably pulling 20 +.

I'm not worried about his offense. Sure as hell not worried about his defense.

This is me being silly and overly optimistic after a few summer league games, but I think he can have a Noelesque impact on the game once he gets comfortable. Weakside menace who can also harass guys on the perimeter and the switch. Just like Nerlens, WCS will probably get beat up by big guys inside.... But there aren't really that many post bigs in the league, and we happen to have the nastiest of them.

Going into the draft, I wanted one of Winslow, Johnson, WCS, or Mudiay. All four of those players are looking like studs. This might be one of those deep drafts. So far the only guy who looks like a bust that was taken in the top ten is Russell. Which is hilarious for obvious reasons.

No remorse from me. This isn't Jimmer over Kawhi, or T-Rob over Dame, or Nik over Payton.... WCS is gonna be a player.

 

[Kingster]

There's a lot of rationalization going on about WCS's rebounding. We don't need his rebounding? He plays far from the basket so he's not going to get rebounds? Cousins is going to do all the rebounding? His rebounding is one of the primary things I'm going to be watching when he plays with the big boys this year. As a defensive specialist, he's already limited in his game. If he can't be at least an average rebounder for let's say a stretch 4 in the NBA, then that's going to be another limitation to his game.

 

[funkykingston]

I'm guessing that early on Cauley-Stein will be a somewhat inconsistent rebounder. He followed a 1 rebound game with one where he grabbed 8 rebounds in under 18 minutes.

Like most rookies he will need to develop consistency.

 

[Hadlowe]

I'm guessing that early on Cauley-Stein will be a somewhat inconsistent rebounder. He followed a 1 rebound game with one where he grabbed 8 rebounds in under 18 minutes.

Like most rookies he will need to develop consistency.

One key thing for him to learn early on will be the Tyson Chandler tip-out rebound. With his leaping ability and height, he should be able to get fingertips on the ball before other bigs, and he just needs to learn how to send it back out to the perimeter and let one of our guards pick it up. If he can give us 3 or 4 more offensive possessions per game that way, I don't care if he ends with less than 5 total rebounds, that will win you games.

 

[funkykingston]

One key thing for him to learn early on will be the Tyson Chandler tip-out rebound. With his leaping ability and height, he should be able to get fingertips on the ball before other bigs, and he just needs to learn how to send it back out to the perimeter and let one of our guards pick it up. If he can give us 3 or 4 more offensive possessions per game that way, I don't care if he ends with less than 5 total rebounds, that will win you games.

Good point. Cauley-Stein could also take a pointer or two from Chandler on setting effective screens. Not that WCS was bad at it with Kentucky by any stretch but it's something Chandler does very well.

Traditionally Cauley-Stein was one of those guys that people would say "does things that don't show up in the box score" but I think the continued rise in advanced stats and analytics will be key in highlighting the things he does to help his team win. Likewise I think advanced stats already show what a poor signing Enes Kanter was for OKC.

He'll need to consistently hit open midrange jumpers, continue to run and finish in transition and he'll need to be more effective in terms of defensive rebounding but I'm not worried about Cauley-Stein. He's going to help this Kings team. I liked Mudiay and Stanley Johnson a lot and they may very well end up being better players. The early returns on Myles Turner are looking strong too. But to me the only time that you really sit and think about the guys your team SHOULD have taken in the draft is when you're still rooting for a lottery team.

What the Kings had, HAD to get out of this draft was someone who helped them win. They couldn't end up with a bust. And barring injury issues I don't see Cauley-Stein being a bust. I see him as a high level defensive role player who addresses several glaring weaknesses of this Kings team from last season.

If Vlade, Karl, Cousins and crew put it together and make the postseason and continue to improve from there with Cauley-Stein being a key contributor then I'm not going to concern myself with whether Mudiay is a superior talent because in some ways it's irrelevant as long as Cauley-Stein does the things the Kings expected him to do and it helps end our playoff drought.

 

[Dime Dropper]

There's a lot of rationalization going on about WCS's rebounding. We don't need his rebounding? He plays far from the basket so he's not going to get rebounds? Cousins is going to do all the rebounding? His rebounding is one of the primary things I'm going to be watching when he plays with the big boys this year. As a defensive specialist, he's already limited in his game. If he can't be at least an average rebounder for let's say a stretch 4 in the NBA, then that's going to be another limitation to his game.

I see you're still butthurt about us passing on Mudiay.

Nice use of hyperbole and strawmen.

 

[kupman]

I think that everyone knew that WCS was not/is not a very good rebounder. He is here for 1 reason - to be a defensive specialist. I am okay with it because it has been so long since we have had any 1 player that could really lock down on great players. Artest is the last one I think.

I am hoping that WCS can do 1 thing for us - make life hell for the opposing team's best player.

 

[dude12]

I just don't get some of the remorse on taking WCS. He's looking as advertised. For a team that gives up a crap load of points, he's going to help us win immediately. He's going to help get stops and then the other team is going to have to account for him on the FB.

Picking him apart after 3 SL games for rebounding is nuts.....but if your going to keep it real, Mudiay has been a turnover machine. He would not help us this year as much as Rondo/Collison.

 

[funkykingston]

This was an interesting draft to try and predict for the Kings. There were quite a few guys that I liked but who the Kings took (or didn't take) was really going to be determined by whether or not Cousins was traded, if Karl was still in place etc etc.

Given that Vlade said both Karl and Cousins were staying before the draft I figured it was 50/50 that the Kings would trade the pick either out of the draft completely or to pick up a veteran and move down or that they'd keep the pick and draft a player for Karl's system (Kaminsky, Payne, RHJ etc).

As much as I personally liked Stanley Johnson, he didn't seem to fit what Karl likes from his wings. So I figured that there were essentially four players that Vlade would target: Porzingis, Hezonja, Cauley-Stein or Mudiay. Or Russell if he dropped, though I wasn't as high on him as most.

Porzingis and Hezonja both help in transition and in stretching the floor. And Porzingis has been as I expected though honestly his passing has been a nice surprise - to me at least.

Cauley-Stein provided several things Karl wanted - rim protection, defensive minded players, a big man who could get up and down the floor in transition etc. In the pre-draft workout video Karl talked about WCS being able to get out on the fast break and trying to score quickly and if it wasn't there then setting up for the halfcourt offense when Boogie came downcourt.

Mudiay would have also been a nice fit for Karl's offense and I thought all the talk from CD about the Kings passing on Mudiay was a smokescreen. Mudiay would be nearly ideal in a dribble drive offense, makes good decisions in transition, he has good defensive potential and is a big PG so he's a great option when wanting more playmakers on the floor because you can pair him with another PG and let Mudiay guard the opposing SG.

I love the idea of a big, athletic PG but Cauley-Stein is the more rare player but one who likely had a slightly higher floor but definitely a lower ceiling. Mudiay would not provide as much immediate help (hard for a potential playoff team to depend on a rookie PG) but could very well be the much better long term player.

If the Kings dealt Cousins I would have absolutely said Mudiay. And if the coaching staff were convinced he'd be a star then I think you go Mudiay. But if Cuz was staying and there was any doubt about Mudiay being a stud then I thought you had to go WCS. He's a great fit next to your franchise big man, provides more immediate help, fills a more difficult to fill role and doesn't take shots away from Cousins & Gay.

As a side note, I don't think we'll see Cauley-Stein assigned to guard other team's best player one-on-one all that often. That is more the role for Mbah a Moute. Cauley-Stein will be more of a centerfielder, free safety type who covers a lot of ground - closing out on shooters, weakside shot blocking, blowing up pick & rolls, flashing into the passing lanes and generally covering a lot of ground and helping all over. He might get put on one player (Nowitzki immediately comes to mind) but I think in general his role will be more about bolstering team defense than showcasing his individual D.

 

[Merdiesel]

This draft was more about who on the board makes DMC better than it was about best player available.

I personally am tired of waiting for guys to develop. It's win now and WCS gives us the best chance to win ball games.

Simple as that.

 

[dude12]

Big credit to Vlade for delivering on his vision/plan of putting together a team that can win now, a team that fits Karl's needs on the floor, and this is how you change the culture of the team by not only overturning the roster but getting the correct guys in here. Granted they haven't played yet but compare what PDA did to what Vlade has done.

PDA worked against Malone seemingly giving Malone none of the types of players that Malone would need to fit his vision. And when it came time for the draft, they went after a supposedly NBA ready player in Stauskas. I don't think it's premature to say that WCS is going to contribute immediately compared to Stauskas and George Karl has got to be fired up for the challenge with this veteran roster.

 

[Padrino]

i think people need to recognize the difference between a player who is categorically a "defensive specialist" and a player who has the potential to be a truly special defensive talent. willie cauley-stein may, in fact, be the first of his kind in the nba: a legitimate 7-footer who can sprint baseline-to-baseline faster than players significantly shorter than himself, defend at least three different positions with ease, switch onto the ballhandler in pick and roll situations without losing a step, and oh yeah, chase down opposing guards on the fast break with the tenacity of a cheetah enveloping a gazelle. this kid hates watching the other team score, and he f***ing loves stealing their lunch money. "defensive specialist" strikes me as a near-derogatory term when you're watching a talent who could potentially spend much of his career top-lining the nba's all-defensive teams...

i'd understand buyer's remorse over a guy who projects to be nothing more than a solid nba defender, but WCS is a goddamned eraser. once he adjusts to the speed of the nba, he could conceivably turn the painted area into a war zone on a nightly basis. does anybody remember courtney lee's infamous last-second layup against jason thompson in a loss to memphis last year? ya know, one of the very same losses that PDA apologists cited as justification for the firing of mike malone? WCS is the kind of talent who will literally eliminate such baskets from the equation. he will swat weak sh*t into the second row, he will intimidate slashers into low-percentage shots, he will throw a massive wrench into the league's growing reliance on pick and roll basketball, and he will likely generate wins in tight games by closing off lanes that have been open-for-business against the kings for nearly a decade...

 

[Hadlowe]

i think people need to recognize the difference between a player who is categorically a "defensive specialist" and a player who has the potential to be a truly special defensive talent. willie cauley-stein may, in fact, be the first of his kind in the nba: a legitimate 7-footer who can sprint baseline-to-baseline faster than players significantly shorter than himself, defend at least three different positions with ease, switch onto the ballhandler in pick and roll situations without losing a step, and oh yeah, chase down opposing guards on the fast break with the tenacity of a cheetah enveloping a gazelle. this kid hates watching the other team score, and he f***ing loves stealing their lunch money. "defensive specialist" strikes me as a near-derogatory term when you're watching a talent who could potentially spend much of his career top-lining the nba's all-defensive teams...

i'd understand buyer's remorse over a guy who projects to be nothing more than a solid nba defender, but WCS is a goddamned eraser. once he adjusts to the speed of the nba, he could conceivably turn the painted area into a war zone on a nightly basis. does anybody remember courtney lee's infamous last-second layup against jason thompson in a loss to memphis last year? ya know, one of the very same losses that PDA apologists cited as justification for the firing of mike malone? WCS is the kind of talent who will literally eliminate such baskets from the equation. he will swat weak sh*t into the second row, he will intimidate slashers into low-percentage shots, he will throw a massive wrench into the league's growing reliance on pick and roll basketball, and he will likely generate wins in tight games by closing off lanes that have been open-for-business against the kings for nearly a decade...

It sounds like we need to get going on a "Cool Facts About Willie Cauley-Stein" list.

 

[hrdboild]

I see you're still butthurt about us passing on Mudiay.

Nice use of hyperbole and strawmen.

Actually...

"You're critisizing Cauley-Stein therefore you must be upset we didn't draft Mudiay and your comments about Cauley-Stein are invalid" is a perfect example of a straw man argument.

And not only that, it's insulting. For as long as we've been discussing Kings basketball on this forum, surely it should be obvious that something as petty as "we didn't take the guy I liked so I'm going to complain no matter what" doesn't apply to most of the people here. People should be allowed to disagree with the majority opinion without being insulted or dismissed as emotional nutcases.

 

[funkykingston]

Actually...

"You're critisizing Cauley-Stein therefore you must be upset we didn't draft Mudiay and your comments about Cauley-Stein are invalid" is a perfect example of a straw man argument.

And not only that, it's insulting. For as long as we've been discussing Kings basketball on this forum, surely it should be obvious that something as petty as "we didn't take the guy I liked so I'm going to complain no matter what" doesn't apply to most of the people here. People should be allowed to disagree with the majority opinion without being insulted or dismissed as emotional nutcases.

There isn't much point to a message board if either people always agree or if people who don't agree are shouted down. There are legitimate concerns with drafting Cauley-Stein and there were several guys who potentially have a higher ceiling. Personally I wanted Cauley-Stein so I'm happy. People who didn't still have reasons to not agree with the pick. It's as good a thing to discuss during TDOS as anything else.

It doesn't change the fact that WCS is now a King and we all want him and the team to do well.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Actually...

"You're critisizing Cauley-Stein therefore you must be upset we didn't draft Mudiay and your comments about Cauley-Stein are invalid" is a perfect example of a straw man argument.

And not only that, it's insulting. For as long as we've been discussing Kings basketball on this forum, surely it should be obvious that something as petty as "we didn't take the guy I liked so I'm going to complain no matter what" doesn't apply to most of the people here. People should be allowed to disagree with the majority opinion without being insulted or dismissed as emotional nutcases.

It's a strawman because he's arguing against things people didn't say. So my post had an absolutely valid point, even if it was framed aggressively, and wasn't a strawman. Sorry.

In case you forgot what Kingster posted, let's take a look again at the key points:

We don't need his rebounding?

Nobody said we don't need him to rebound. Strawman. He just needs to be average next to Cousins. That's not "not rebounding".

He plays far from the basket so he's not going to get rebounds?

Playing far away from the basket does negatively affect rebounding numbers. It's not rocket science. However nobody said that he's not going to get rebounds because of that. Not only a bad argument, also exaggerated to the point of being a strawman.

Cousins is going to do all the rebounding?

Nobody said that and it's not even worth getting into. Strawman.

Sorry if calling a spade a spade offended you.

Kingster actually could make a solid argument about WCS rebounding (or lack thereof) but making stupid exaggerations to get your point across just comes across as bitter that we didn't draft his guy.

 

[Livinthedream]

This whole idea that WCS is going to be playing away from the basket is baffling to me. He will be playinf PF or C. Unless he's playing a stretch 4, he will still be around the basket the majority of the time. Karl's defense requires that everyone switch, so even DMC will be on the perimiter defending at times. That was happening at the end of the season.

To say WCS can switch and guard a smaller defender ignores the fact that our smaller giy will now have to cover thr PF that WCS left. So while WCS will be an effective pick n roll defender, his time covering guards will still be limited due to the fact that we can't leave our guard exposed to being posted up by their PF. WCS will have plenty of opportunity to be a decent rebounder.

 

[hrdboild]

It's a strawman because he's arguing against things people didn't say. So my post had an absolutely valid point, even if it was framed aggressively, and wasn't a strawman. Sorry.
In case you forgot what Kingster posted, let's take a look again at the key points:
Nobody said we don't need him to rebound. Strawman. He just needs to be average next to Cousins. That's not "not rebounding".
Playing far away from the basket does negatively affect rebounding numbers. It's not rocket science. However nobody said that he's not going to get rebounds because of that. Not only a bad argument, also exaggerated to the point of being a strawman.
Nobody said that and it's not even worth getting into. Strawman.
Sorry if calling a spade a spade offended you.
Kingster actually could make a solid argument about WCS rebounding (or lack thereof) but making stupid exaggerations to get your point across just comes across as bitter that we didn't draft his guy.

I think both sides could probably stand to settle down a bit and remember that this is a discussion about basketball not about who is right and who is wrong. It's true that playing on the perimeter is going to make it difficult for any player to get in rebounding position. It's also true that Cauley-Stein has been rebounding poorly for his position. Personally I don't think "he's not trying to get rebounds" is a complete explanation. It's a partial explantaion, but he's not always on the perimeter. Even when he's close to the basket and trying to rebound the ball his technique is poor. Nor do I think "Cousins should be getting all the rebounds anyway" is very comforting. To be a complete defensive player, Willie is going to have to change his approach at some point and body somebody up when he's under the basket. He's just not playing big out there at all and that'll be a problem for us no matter who else is playing next to him at the PF or C spot.

 

[hrdboild]

There isn't much point to a message board if either people always agree or if people who don't agree are shouted down. There are legitimate concerns with drafting Cauley-Stein and there were several guys who potentially have a higher ceiling. Personally I wanted Cauley-Stein so I'm happy. People who didn't still have reasons to not agree with the pick. It's as good a thing to discuss during TDOS as anything else.

It doesn't change the fact that WCS is now a King and we all want him and the team to do well.

Couldn't agree more. Thanks funkykingston

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Nobody said we don't need him to rebound. Strawman. He just needs to be average next to Cousins. That's not "not rebounding".

Yet...

Wcs is not a great rebounder. We knew that going in. That's not going to be his job.

Playing far away from the basket does negatively affect rebounding numbers. It's not rocket science. However nobody said that he's not going to get rebounds because of that. Not only a bad argument, also exaggerated to the point of being a strawman.

Yet...

I'm not going to excuse his rebounding, but when he's being used the way he is, he'll never be a great rebounder. What rebounds he'll get will be mostly offensive rebounds. He plays too far away from the basket on defense to be a good defensive rebounder.

Nobody said that (Cousins will do all the rebounding) and it's not even worth getting into. Strawman.

Yet...

I don't think playing with cousins or Koufos the rebounding will be an issue.

And

In some ways what he does is not built for defensive rebounding, which is a big problem if he's your only big because if your 7-footer won't do it, who will? Its not a big problem if he's in there next to Cuz or Koufos. ... But with Boogie munching them up that's ok for us ...

It sure looks to me like all of those arguments were being used - so, not strawmen. Feel free to counter what Kingster had to say, but let's not accuse him of arguing in bad faith when the positions he was disagreeing with were actually taken.

 

[randymoss1881]

This Mudiya talk is asinine. If we are gonna draft a non shooter I'll talk the big who will be a monster defensively.
The only player I'd take over WCS outside the top 3 is Porzingis Dude will be a monster

 

[Dime Dropper]

Yet...






Yet...






Yet...



And

Thanks for proving exactly my point. They were all reasonable points, not extremities as Kingster suggested.

It sure looks to me like all of those arguments were being used - so, not strawmen. Feel free to counter what Kingster had to say, but let's not accuse him of arguing in bad faith when the positions he was disagreeing with were actually taken.

Twisting a reasonable argument into it's most extreme form does not mean those extreme forms actually took place.


How is Chubbs saying that WCS isn't a great rebounder but that's not going to be his job, equal to saying that people are saying he doesn't have to rebound? This really isn't complicated. You're accusing me of not countering Kingsters argument which is laughable because he didn't make an argument in that post. He simply exaggerated and twisted other peoples' reasonable points.

 

[Chubbs]

Yet still no one said what Kingster said.

Nice try.

Like Dime said, you proved how over the top his trolling was.

Carry on.

 

[PBNJ85]

There isn't much point to a message board if either people always agree.

I agree

 

[hrdboild]

Yet still no one said what Kingster said.

Nice try.

And yet, this:

If he can't be at least an average rebounder for let's say a stretch 4 in the NBA, then that's going to be another limitation to his game.

Is a fair statement that's hard to argue with. Forest for the trees guys.

 

[Chubbs]

And yet, this:



Is a fair statement that's hard to argue with. Forest for the trees guys.

Who is arguing with that?

Unfortunately he piled on a bunch of trolling statements to start a fight. Which he has done. And is what he always does.

 

[hrdboild]

i think people need to recognize the difference between a player who is categorically a "defensive specialist" and a player who has the potential to be a truly special defensive talent. willie cauley-stein may, in fact, be the first of his kind in the nba: a legitimate 7-footer who can sprint baseline-to-baseline faster than players significantly shorter than himself, defend at least three different positions with ease, switch onto the ballhandler in pick and roll situations without losing a step, and oh yeah, chase down opposing guards on the fast break with the tenacity of a cheetah enveloping a gazelle. this kid hates watching the other team score, and he f***ing loves stealing their lunch money. "defensive specialist" strikes me as a near-derogatory term when you're watching a talent who could potentially spend much of his career top-lining the nba's all-defensive teams...

i'd understand buyer's remorse over a guy who projects to be nothing more than a solid nba defender, but WCS is a goddamned eraser. once he adjusts to the speed of the nba, he could conceivably turn the painted area into a war zone on a nightly basis. does anybody remember courtney lee's infamous last-second layup against jason thompson in a loss to memphis last year? ya know, one of the very same losses that PDA apologists cited as justification for the firing of mike malone? WCS is the kind of talent who will literally eliminate such baskets from the equation. he will swat weak sh*t into the second row, he will intimidate slashers into low-percentage shots, he will throw a massive wrench into the league's growing reliance on pick and roll basketball, and he will likely generate wins in tight games by closing off lanes that have been open-for-business against the kings for nearly a decade...

I agree with the first statement. And I'm also the kind of person who thinks a Defensive Player of the Year is just as valuable to their team as an MVP scorer. Really what this comes down to for me is that I actually just don't like the way Cauley-Stein plays defense. I know that's a controversial opinion in any circumstance, especially among Kings fans, but I've felt that way from the beginning. Yes he gets a lot of blocks on smaller players but he gets pushed aside by anyone with muscle so easily that I don't think he can even defend the PF position right now in the NBA. Theoretically his foot speed should allow him to always be in ideal position but he often takes himself out of position to defend the ball by reaching and overreacting and he'll focus on his man-to-man match-up to the point where he loses track of the ball handler. Sometimes he can use his length to recover and still get the shotblock but he's also going to pick up a lot of ticky-tack fouls if he's trailing the play like that. He has some physical advantages as a defensive player (strength remains a weakness), but he's not consistently impacting the game because he's not focusing on the end goal which is staying between the ball and the basket and securing the rebound.

In terms of what I want a PF/C to do, I thought there were better post-defenders/rebounders in this draft. Maybe this is an example of the NBA game progressing ahead of my mindset, but his value as a 7 footer who can play perimeter D like a SF is sortof lost on me in the same way that a 7 footer who can shoot three pointers but can't score in the post is. I understand that it's a unique talent, I just don't understand how to use it on the court in a winning way. The college game is not the pro game. Most NCAA teams are lucky to have one 7 footer. Many of them have a PF and a SF as their front court. He's not going to have free rein to bully smaller players in the NBA. Even if his ability to switch and cover on guards and wing players is elite, how good of a defender can he realistically be if post defense and defensive rebounding continue to be two of his biggest weaknesses?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Thanks for proving exactly my point. They were all reasonable points, not extremities as Kingster suggested.

Twisting a reasonable argument into it's most extreme form does not mean those extreme forms actually took place.

OK, just to go all the way down this rabbit hole...let's play a game called "What Is The Most Reasonable Interpretation Of Kingster's Statements?"

We don't need his rebounding?

A1: "People are saying it's OK if WCS gets zero rebounds per game"
B1: "People are saying that if WCS is a poor rebounder this will not be a problem because he does other things"

He plays far from the basket so he's not going to get rebounds?

A2: "People are saying that WCS will get zero rebounds because he will be away from the basket"
B2: "People are excusing poor rebounding from WCS on the basis of his positioning"

Cousins is going to do all the rebounding?

A3: "People are saying that Cousins will get all of the rebounds and WCS will get zero rebounds"
B3: "People are saying that it won't matter if WCS doesn't rebound well because we already have a strong rebounder"

I don't know about you, but when I read that post from Kingster, I interpreted his statements as B1, B2, and B3. I believe that I showed you that the B version of each statement was in fact made in this very thread. You seem to be interpreting his statements as the extreme A versions, and I have no idea why. I don't think those are reasonable interpretations at all. Perhaps it's the eye-rollies that have got you upset, I don't know.

At any rate, I don't think anybody needs to agree with Kingster's distaste for those arguments. (For my part, I have no distaste for B2 (seems commonsense to me), and I'm on the fence about B1 and B3 - both seem reasonable as far as they go but I'd certainly like to WCS get as many rebounds as possible and I can see how we might be hurt if he doesn't turn out to be a good rebounder.) But the idea that his summaries of the arguments he didn't like twisted those arguments into extremes, or that he was "trolling" (as stated by Chubbs) - well, I don't think either of those is true. What Kingster did seems to me no different that what is done in dozens of posts a week by dozens of different people.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Twisting a reasonable argument into it's most extreme form does not mean those extreme forms actually took place.

And it's not wrong to label that tactic a strawman fallacy. Quoting words out of context and/or oversimplifying are essential elements to it. Some even go as far as engaging in Reductio ad absurdum or, worse yet, ad hominem.