Douby is RIGHT!

[reid1boys]

Anyone that has played basketball at even the HS level knows what Douby said is right. You can not play the game if you are worried about being yanked as soon as you make a mistake. Do you think Martin worries about making a bad decision? Heck no, he can just play the game carefree, which is the only way you will be successful.

To sit Douby for basically the entire season (he hasnt gotten ANY consistant minutes) and to then put him in late in the game and expect him to take the shot to win a game is ridiculous and not fair to him. You can say these guys are professionals and should be ready all you want, but the game doesnt change. HS, College, or Pros, these guys need consistant minutes and they need to be confident they arent getting yanked as soon as they make a mistake if you expect anything good from them.

It is too bad that reggie has basically thrown this guy under a bus.

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NOTE: Here's the article this post is referring to:
Douby makes a point about not making shots
by Melody Gutierrez

Quincy Douby appeared to have had enough of the talk about him. As he leaned against a wall at the Kings' practice facility Thursday, he said his inconsistent playing time is the reason for his late-game misfirings this season.

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"I was so cold being on the bench the whole game, and I didn't feel right shooting," Douby said. "But I was open and I didn't want to (drive) and get a charge, so I had to shoot."

The more Douby talked of Tuesday's game, the more he voiced agitation with his playing time, which has ranged from zero to 25 minutes a game. Douby said he's not sure how to (develop) a rhythm in games when he is constantly worried about mistakes.

"This has been going on my whole three years here," Douby said. "I do something wrong one game and I get put at the end of the bench. I don't know what it is. I don't know if I'm the weak link or if people look at me like I'm weak."

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The above is part of the "Kings Notes" section on page C4 of my "state edition" of the Bee. I must be missing something but I cannot find it on sacbee.com ... which isn't that unusual. I've noticed several times that my edition of the paper, which comes out early, is different than the final edition.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I agree that douby shouldnt have been put in that situation.

However, he has to show something, somewhere, that he can play and he hasnt done that. I havent seen him practice, but i would guess that if he is lighting it up he would play more. He just cant play in the NBA ( right now, if ever. ) If he hardcore worked on his handle and playmaking, maybe he could be a point guard. He is too small for a SG .. maybe he could have built some more muscle by lifting more in the offseason. It was a waste of a pick, and if I were douby I wouldnt say these things even if it wasnt fair. He NEEDS to take advantage of every situation he gets because he isnt good enough to warrent consistent playing time.

What you say is true to an extent, but good players or even decent players in most cases get noticed.

 

[Prince_XY]

I see Douby's case differently.

I think coach Theus really thought Douby can be the clutch shooter coming off cold from the bench. Unfortunately, Douby failed once, or twice when he needed to make those important shots. Then coach Theus probably thought Douby couldn't be missing those shots forever and he tried using Douby again for the third time thinking Douby will surely make it the third time.

It's probably coach Theus' fault for trying it the third time and it was I think a good way of giving Douby some form of redemption from the first few failed attempts.

Unfortunately, Douby failed again.

I think Douby is right on what he said you cannot worry of being yanked out when you commit mistakes.

But what has it got to do with his failures, or with fairness in those situation that he failed?

Is he complaining now?

 

[FakeInjury]

Douby is wrong. He is expected to play at an NBA level, b/c he is in the NBA. Basically, Douby has the skills but not the IQ to match. IQ is knowing when to shoot, knowing when to shoot with quickness, and knowing when to take it slow. Douby hasn't seen much PT, so he can't be faulted, but we like to fault coach theus b/c he sucks, when in reality theus isn'tvery experienced either. IF Douby somehow becomes a superstud by the end of the season, Theus is worth saving.

 

[RalphySampson]

Douby is wrong. He is expected to play at an NBA level, b/c he is in the NBA. Basically, Douby has the skills but not the IQ to match. IQ is knowing when to shoot, knowing when to shoot with quickness, and knowing when to take it slow. Douby hasn't seen much PT, so he can't be faulted, but we like to fault coach theus b/c he sucks, when in reality theus isn'tvery experienced either. IF Douby somehow becomes a superstud by the end of the season, Theus is worth saving.

I think what Douby said makes him look really bad. It just sounds like a giant excuse and it's pointing fingers instead of looking at himself in the mirror. I've played basketball my entire life so I understand where he is coming from about not getting in a rythm but he simply cannot make statements like he did and expect to get any respect out of it. Respect is earned, and he just hasn't performed well on the court EVER to get any respect. I think the bottom line here is that just really isn't a good NBA player and I doubt he ever will be.

 

[reid1boys]

Anybody who has played basketball should give Douby plenty of respect, because we all know what he said is correct. It isnt making excuses, it is a FACT that you can not play when you are always looking over your shoulder.

Only the clueless in the stands will talk crap to douby because they never played and dont get it.

Like I said, NBA or rec league, you cant sit for 2 hours and jump in and chuck 3 pointers with any high degree of effectiveness.

 

[kennadog]

I like Douby. I've really been rooting for him to suceed, because he seems like a nice enough young man. However, once it was clear he would never be a point guard, he had to be able to make it in this league based on his supposed shooting ability.

The NBA is a high-pressure job. As in any high-pressure job, you have to prove you can do your job despite the pressure. For Douby that means proving he can shoot a good percentage under pressures of all kinds. He just hasn't shown me that last year or this, really.

While his reasons for his problems can be considered valid, if he doesn't learn to make a high percentage of shots under the circumstances he describes, he just won't make it. It's a mental game for him right now and he has to find a way to master his mental status, so he can play his game.

 

[RalphySampson]

Anybody who has played basketball should give Douby plenty of respect, because we all know what he said is correct. It isnt making excuses, it is a FACT that you can not play when you are always looking over your shoulder.

Only the clueless in the stands will talk crap to douby because they never played and dont get it.

Like I said, NBA or rec league, you cant sit for 2 hours and jump in and chuck 3 pointers with any high degree of effectiveness.

Quit making excuses for the guy. He has had his opportunities both this year and last. He is shooting 32% from the floor this year. Every one of his shots didn't come in the last 3 minutes of a game where he sat on the bench all game. He has been in the rotation at times and had a chance to get his rythm, yet he is still shooting 32%. You might also be surprised to know that he is only shooting 38% for his career. You must think that's because he's always been "looking over his shoulder."

The bottom line here is that we drafted Douby because he had a reputation for being able to shoot the ball. I think it's clear to everybody that he is not a point guard and that is basketball IQ is extremely low. If he can't even shoot the ball, then he is worthless to us and to any other NBA team.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Q and he comes across as a nice kid. I wish he would have succeeded; but he didn't.

 

[reid1boys]

Im not making excuses, and I personally dont even think he should be in the rotation. I am not sure he is good enough, but i darn sure wouldnt sit a guy the entire game and then throw him in at 3 minutes left in a basically tie game and say "go get it done kid."


I am basically blaiming the coach and not the player in this situation.

 

[VF21]

Let's make the whole thing very simple:

If you're a baseball pitcher coming in for relief, you get time to warm up. If, on the other hand, you're a shooter coming of the bench, you often don't get that time. In fact, there's no built-in warmup. You get into the flow of the game as the game is progressing and there's never more pressure than at the end of a close game.

Douby was sitting there on the bench, with no idea he was going to be called on until only four minutes was left IN THE GAME. He was ice cold. You don't bring a player into that kind of situation.

It's not about making excuses. At least Quincy Douby has one.

I'm still trying to digest Theus' comment that Hawes played, not because he's rapidly showing he's capable of great things, but because John Salmons was out for the game.

If you're going to play young players, you don't set them up for failure but that's what has been happening to Quincy Douby. And remember, this is after the team came out and announced they would not be extending his contract.

I may not be satisfied with how Quincy has turned out as a player, but I am certainly not happy with how he's been treated in this little struggle between the coach and the owners over the direction of the team, how to utilize the kids, etc.

I think Quincy responded honestly to a question and I think he is speaking his heart.

 

[nbrans]

Huh? What did Douby say?

 

[VF21]

Sorry. We're talking about an article in today's Bee.

I'll find you the link...

Hrm. I went to sacbee.com and couldn't find the story, which was under the "KINGS NOTES" header. So people know what is being discussed, I've added the relevant portion of the article to the OP.

 

[TheFifthMookie]

I think this is just one of many personel management miss steps that Reggie's had in his tenure as coach here. We didn't hear this kind of stuff when Adelman was coach. Just sayin.

 

[RalphySampson]

Let's make the whole thing very simple:

If you're a baseball pitcher coming in for relief, you get time to warm up. If, on the other hand, you're a shooter coming of the bench, you often don't get that time. In fact, there's no built-in warmup. You get into the flow of the game as the game is progressing and there's never more pressure than at the end of a close game.

Douby was sitting there on the bench, with no idea he was going to be called on until only four minutes was left IN THE GAME. He was ice cold. You don't bring a player into that kind of situation.

It's not about making excuses. At least Quincy Douby has one.

I'm still trying to digest Theus' comment that Hawes played, not because he's rapidly showing he's capable of great things, but because John Salmons was out for the game.

If you're going to play young players, you don't set them up for failure but that's what has been happening to Quincy Douby. And remember, this is after the team came out and announced they would not be extending his contract.

I may not be satisfied with how Quincy has turned out as a player, but I am certainly not happy with how he's been treated in this little struggle between the coach and the owners over the direction of the team, how to utilize the kids, etc.

I think Quincy responded honestly to a question and I think he is speaking his heart.

VF, how do you explain his dismal shooting percentages both this year and for his career? Surely, you don't think that every shot he has taken was when he was "ice cold" do you? I also believe that the argument about coming in cold in regards to basketball is BS anyway. Just by running up and down the court a few times you get warm. He knows how to shoot the ball. He didn't shoot an airball because he was cold. He shot an airball because he lacks confidence and he's proving to be a bad shooter in general.

 

[reid1boys]

I'm still trying to digest Theus' comment that Hawes played, not because he's rapidly showing he's capable of great things, but because John Salmons was out for the game.


I have been supportive of Regigie, but that is changing fast. Was I the only one watching the games when the young guys were getting all the minutes and we were OUTREBOUNDING people, we were hustling, we were actually in most of those games, and more importantly, Hawes, Donte, Thompson and Brown were actually developing with BIG MINUTES.

You knew Thompson was confident. now he has been relegated to just another scrub on the end of the bench.

 

[beb0p]

What the hell? Let's revisit that game shall we? At the end of the game, Salmons was injured, Cisco's leg was put on ice, BJax couldn't guard Korver, and Greene was, well, a rookie. So what is Theus supposed to do? Put Mikki Moore or Jason Thompson on a wing player? Douby was put in for defensive purposes because we were short-handed. Desparate times calls for desparate measures, mate.

If any player find the NBA to be a tough place to "get in a ryhthm", might I quote Bill Walton: "Look, there are other leagues beside the NBA that one can play for."

 

[VF21]

VF, how do you explain his dismal shooting percentages both this year and for his career? Surely, you don't think that every shot he has taken was when he was "ice cold" do you? I also believe that the argument about coming in cold in regards to basketball is BS anyway. Just by running up and down the court a few times you get warm. He knows how to shoot the ball. He didn't shoot an airball because he was cold. He shot an airball because he lacks confidence and he's proving to be a bad shooter in general.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I simply disagree - and I think I made myself pretty clear as to why.

As far as coming in ice cold and getting warm, it's not about body temperature. That's partially why I used to comparison to a baseball pitcher. Golfers take practice swings, too.

As far as him shooting the airball because he lacks confidence, he said as much. He didn't feel confident to shoot. Why? Because he was ice cold.

We'll just agree to disagree on this ... and pretty much every thing else we talk about relating to the Kings, if I remember correctly.

 

[RalphySampson]

We'll just agree to disagree on this ... and pretty much every thing else we talk about relating to the Kings, if I remember correctly.

I wake up everyday thinking, "What kind of battles will I have with VF21 today?"

 

[Eclipse]

I think he was put in an almost no-win situation in the last game, coming off the bench cold with 4:00 minutes to go with his history of late game performances.

Aside from the things outside his control (consistent playing time, etc.), I feel what's holding him back most are his confidence issues and low basketball IQ (or maybe lack of guidance?).

To me, confidence comes and goes for most NBA players (like the tide). But I'm not sure if Quincy ever had it - I don't recall any sustained hot shooting streaks he had as a King (minus the garbage-time minutes).

Regarding his BB IQ, perhaps it ties into his confidence issues, or maybe he just didn't adjust well to the NBA level. If he can't shoot the long balls cold, and is afraid of getting a charge when taking it to the hole, would the next logical step be working on a mid-range game? Or perhaps be more offensively active, like slashing to the basket, etc.?

I don't mean to simplify his predicament. Q is caught between a rock and a hard place right now.

 

[NewMonkey]

Quincy just isn't getting it done. It became clear that he wasn't a point guard, so his future in the NBA is to be an Eddie House or Brent Barry. A guy who comes in and knocks down shots. If he can't do that - and the results this season say he can't - he's going to have a tough time playing in the NBA.

 

[bloom]

Quit making excuses for the guy. He has had his opportunities both this year and last. He is shooting 32% from the floor this year. Every one of his shots didn't come in the last 3 minutes of a game where he sat on the bench all game. He has been in the rotation at times and had a chance to get his rythm, yet he is still shooting 32%. You might also be surprised to know that he is only shooting 38% for his career. You must think that's because he's always been "looking over his shoulder."

Are you serious, Quincy Douby didn’t see any real consistent minutes last season or his rookie season (especially his rookie). I do agree that he’s got several opportunities this year to ball and I don’t know what it was that didn’t allow him to expand himself. I like him and I really want him to succeed in the NBA/on our Kings Team. Maybe he needs to go on a team that will give him consistent minutes and allow him to just play and play through his mistakes…And I do agree with him, no player can get comfortable if they’re always looking over their shoulder.

Btw: the last game wasn’t his fault. He was ice cold coming into the game, his defense was good but as far as shooting, he didn’t even get a chance to warm up before he was yanked into the line-up. Plus, I can’t imagine his confidence right now. I feel sorry for him.

 

[RalphySampson]

Are you serious, Quincy Douby didn’t see any real consistent minutes last season or his rookie season (especially his rookie). I do agree that he’s got several opportunities this year to ball and I don’t know what it was that didn’t allow him to expand himself. I like him and I really want him to succeed in the NBA/on our Kings Team. Maybe he needs to go on a team that will give him consistent minutes and allow him to just play and play through his mistakes…And I do agree with him, no player can get comfortable if they’re always looking over their shoulder.

Btw: the last game wasn’t his fault. He was ice cold coming into the game, his defense was good but as far as shooting, he didn’t even get a chance to warm up before he was yanked into the line-up. Plus, I can’t imagine his confidence right now. I feel sorry for him.

I really believe we are overthinking this. I mean, Q isn't a good NBA player. Hasn't ever been and probably never will be. When he missed shots at the end of the Suns game, he wasn't cold. When he missed shots at the end of the next game (Spurs?) he wasn't cold either. He has proven that he can't make shots whether he is cold or not. I have provided evidence of this by making note of his shooting percentages which are terrible this year and for his career.

Again, I see where he is coming from. It's hard when you aren't in the rotation regularly, but he has been given opportunities and he hasn't produced. There is a reason why he is not in the rotaion and it's because he's not a good NBA player.

 

[HighTopKicks]

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I simply disagree - and I think I made myself pretty clear as to why.

As far as coming in ice cold and getting warm, it's not about body temperature. That's partially why I used to comparison to a baseball pitcher. Golfers take practice swings, too.

As far as him shooting the airball because he lacks confidence, he said as much. He didn't feel confident to shoot. Why? Because he was ice cold.

We'll just agree to disagree on this ... and pretty much every thing else we talk about relating to the Kings, if I remember correctly.

I agree totally with beb0p. And ,I wonder why you are so willing to believe Doubys excuses, but refuse to believe Theus's explaination!

It was obvious that BJax couldn't guard Korver, who had already scored 5 pts on him in the 4th quarter. Brown was too short to guard Korver, and the only ones left were Greene & Douby. Theus pick the vet Douby for DEFENSE. Douby did a great job shutting down Korver. And, Douby wasn't too cold to sink two free throws.

Theus didn't call a timeout and design that last 3 for Douby. Beno lost his dribble AGAIN and falling, shoveled the ball to Douby who CHOSE to take the shot. Finally, can anyone tell me that in the history of the NBA, no other coach has ever asked a player to come off the bench in the fourth quarter COLD.

Theus made his substitution choice based on a limited roster. Douby made his choice on the fact that he thought he could make the shot, and now he wants to blame all the failures of his career on the coach. Douby needs to man up, and accept the blame for his own failures.

 

[Showtime]

This point is similar to a post I made about Avery and Theus:

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585078&postcount=15

How do these young guys feel when they don't get consistent time, and they get yanked for making a mistake, and then watch the vets replace them, make big mistakes themselves, and remain in the game? How do they feel when they don't get another shot to redeem themselves?

On this team which is rebuilding, the young guys don't need a disciplinarian who will try to teach lessons by denying guys playing time. They need a teacher. They need to know that if they make a mistake, they should get the chance to make it up ON THE COURT. They need to learn that. This isn't a contending team that needs the young reserves to shape up or not get time. They need the time to develop. I don't want to see another Harris leave the Kings.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I cant figure out why he didnt put Garcia in .. I see why Douby would play in front of Bjax ( who was playing horrible defense and he wasnt hitting any shots on the other end ) and Greene cause hes a rook .. but I woulda put in Cisco.

He's proven he is good late in the game, and I know its one thing to rest a guy cause he just came back from an injury, but when there are 3 minutes left and the game on the line im playing garcia.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I agree that it seems like more than ever, in what is a contract year for him, Douby isn't getting a fair shake--but he just never showed anything new during the sparse playing time that he received. It's just scoring and the occasional steals and blocks--it's clear that he suffers from the scoring guard in a small school mentality, because he's a volume player who right now is being squeezed into 2 to 3 minutes of playing time at a time. Obviously for a player with his sort of game, it's hard to adapt--that I definitely understand. But there were just quite a few expectations in terms of his development that until now, just hasn't really come into fruition--he was never able to develop any semblance of point guard skills, his shooting is as streaky as ever (ironic how NBADraft.net compared him to Steve Kerr on draft day), he's extremely one-dimensional, and that sort of gameface really makes him a commonplace type player especially when you considered he's undersized at 6'3". I've criticized Douby's game in the past, and even wanted Rajon Rondo over him on draft day. I've rooted for Quincy's scoring breakouts in the past, and was still rooting for him 1.5 years ago, but even then he seemed like a garbagetime scoring player who couldn't really translate that strength consistently into real game situations.

 

[keflanag]

I just want to point out that in an interview after the Phoenix game, Douby's explanation for missing the game winning shot there was that he played so many minutes and his "legs were heavy". So, he missed the shot because he isn't wasn't in a rhythm and didn't get enough minutes, and he missed the shot because he was tired and played too many minutes.

It boils down to this ... in college, Douby was "the man" on his team. He handled the ball on basically every posession and was free to launch at will. Douby IS an excellent shooter. And if you put up enough shots, and you are a good shooter, percentages tell you, you're going to hit a lot of them. But Douby never learned how to adjust his game to limited minutes in the NBA. You either can't handle it because you need the touches to get in a rhythm, or you learn to be that clutch player who can come in ... take one shot, and win the game. I'm not blaming Quincy, but I think it is clear that he does not have the mentality to play limited minutes and step up his game for those short burst, pressure situations.

 

[fnordius]

1) I think Douby is totally correct.
2) That doesn't mean that I see any place for him on our roster, I don't. He'd probably be useful elsewhere.
3) JT, Greene and Brown could have all said much the same thing, but probably haven't because they haven't already been given the kiss of death like Douby has. Hawes could have said the same thing about his rookie year under Theus, too. That concerns me a lot more than anything which applies strictly to Douby. It's not one undersized SG, it's our recent record with younger players. As I pointed out at the end of last year, only GS had a worse record with regard to playing their youth, and they weren't worse by much.

 

[Kingster]

I agree with Douby. I also think that it's healthy for him to stand up for himself. If he doesn't, nobody else will. I keep thinking that after Douby is let go with the Kings he'll get picked up by Popovich or Sloan or somebody who's smart, and they'll make him into an above average defensive guard who can at least be adequate on offense with a team that has a low post game.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

I'm assuming the Q has good practices and can knock down shots. Or else there is no reason for Theus to even try using him.

Q's situation seems very similar to Sasha Vujicic's. SV was called the "11 o'clock player" by his teammates for a long time because he could always knock down all his shots during practice but would miss all of them in a real game. So it seem Q is probably the same or else Reggie would not even give him a chance, ever.

I think Q just needs to step up and knock down the open shots like Sasha. It took Sasha until his 4th yr to get going and he got himself a pretty good extension for just a one dimensional player. I think Q can do it. It wouldn't be bad to have someone that can hit 40% on 3pts.