Dorell Wright?

Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

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Well, well, well! Are we down to Dorell?

The SF (or pseudo-SF) market is drying up very rapidly with Batum, Ilyasova, Anderson, and apparently Kirilenko now out of play. Some second-tier guys like Beasley and Fields are taken.

And after drafting Harrison Barnes while having Richard Jefferson, Klay Thompson, and perhaps Brandon Rush to fill the wing, the Warriors are said to be looking into moving Wright, who makes $4.1M next year on the last season of his deal.

Wright had a career year in the 2010-2011 season under none other than Keith Smart, and is a career .365 shooter from three. He's a good rebounder and decent passer, though he doesn't look to have great defensive numbers. But, we look to have enough cap space to buy cheap, possibly for as little as a second-round pick.

Do we start that phone ringing in Oakland?
 
Pretty sure Iggy is still on the block and Philly wants backcourt scoring, so I'd still try to pry Iggy from them with a package centered around MT. Of course that isn't too likely.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Well, well, well! Are we down to Dorell?

The SF (or pseudo-SF) market is drying up very rapidly with Batum, Ilyasova, Anderson, and apparently Kirilenko now out of play. Some second-tier guys like Beasley and Fields are taken.

And after drafting Harrison Barnes while having Richard Jefferson, Klay Thompson, and perhaps Brandon Rush to fill the wing, the Warriors are said to be looking into moving Wright, who makes $4.1M next year on the last season of his deal.

Wright had a career year in the 2010-2011 season under none other than Keith Smart, and is a career .365 shooter from three. He's a good rebounder and decent passer, though he doesn't look to have great defensive numbers. But, we look to have enough cap space to buy cheap, possibly for as little as a second-round pick.

Do we start that phone ringing in Oakland?
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I would say yes. I brought up Wright after the draft when they chose Barnes. He makes sense on several levels. He's still young, he defends, he can shoot the ball, and he's at a reasonable price salary wise. The burning question is, what do they want in return?
 
rainmaker said:
Pretty sure Iggy is still on the block and Philly wants backcourt scoring, so I'd still try to pry Iggy from them with a package centered around MT. Of course that isn't too likely.
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You are thinking along my lines. Throw in a bench sitting SF from our team and it may do more good than harm. After a signing of JT, it is the kind of move that can transform the team.
 
rainmaker said:
Pretty sure Iggy is still on the block and Philly wants backcourt scoring, so I'd still try to pry Iggy from them with a package centered around MT. Of course that isn't too likely.
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They want to trade Iggy for Gay. MT isn't close to getting a deal done.
 
MT isn't going anywhere yet. His 3pt shooting abilities are sorely needed and he plays the 2 well. As bench behind or with Tyreke he is a keeper. As to Dorell Wright, if reasonable grab him and let he and Outlaw battle for starter with Honeycutt picking up the scraps.
 
CruzDude said:
MT isn't going anywhere yet. His 3pt shooting abilities are sorely needed and he plays the 2 well. As bench behind or with Tyreke he is a keeper. As to Dorell Wright, if reasonable grab him and let he and Outlaw battle for starter with Honeycutt picking up the scraps.
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We need a starting SF more than we need a guy to come off the bench. I love MT but firepower off the bench might be more a luxury for a great team than a team that absolutely sucks. We have bigger problems.
 
so what then just let Garcia and Salmons Rot on the bench? we would have to make a move shipping out one of them in order for us to bring in Wright.
 
Entity said:
so what then just let Garcia and Salmons Rot on the bench? we would have to make a move shipping out one of them in order for us to bring in Wright.
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Well, WE would. But a normal team wouldn't. Who cares who rots. The problem is with so many bodies eating up so much money at that position we absolutely can't afford to stack another one and be wrong, and with our amateur coaches there is always the grave risk of stupid confused rotations using 11 guys on any given night. That's why I suggested in a thread last week getting a strong 8 and shipping the rest of the team to Honolulu. Don't give the coaches anyway to get their little peabrains in a knot.
 
Salmons/Hayes for Wright/Biedrins would be a dream come true. (I would even do Hayes/Jimmer if the Warriors add a protected 1st, but that is unlikely on the Maloofs side)

The Warriors have an abundance of 3's. They are also tired of Biedrins (who probably feels the same). They want proven backups for Lee and Curry.

The Kings have too many guards and no shotblocking. Match made in heaven.

Biedrins will stay out of the way as the 10-15 min 4th big, or at the very least motivate Whiteside to take that role.
Wright will step into the 3 spot and keep Evans in the backcourt.

Starters: Evans/MT/Wright/JT/Cuz
Bench: IT/Garcia/Outlaw/Trob/Biedrins
Filler/Projects: Jimmer/Honeycutt/Whiteside

And if they are so inclined, add Twill to replace Garcia in the 2nd unit. With Wright at the 3, you could even play Twill in the backcourt with Evans.
 
Section 101 said:
They want to trade Iggy for Gay. MT isn't close to getting a deal done.
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I agree that it would take more than just Thornton for Iguodala. I wonder if we could possibly work a 3 way trade to get him and our shotblocker.

Kings Give
Thornton
Thompson
Thomas
2nd rounder

Kings Get
Iguodala
Udoh

Sixers Give
Iguodala
1st rounder

Sixers Get
Thornton
Thompson
Thomas

Bucks Give
Udoh

Bucks Get
1st rounder
2nd rounder

After this trade, the Sixers become very deep and versatile. This would be their lineup:

Holiday/Thomas
Thornton
Turner/N Young
Thompson/T Young
Hawes/Vucevic

The Bucks have their guard positions locked up with Jennings and Ellis and they have 5 bigs who need minutes (Ilyasova, Dalembert, Gooden, Udoh, Sanders). By giving Udoh up for a couple of picks they can address their SF spot which is their weak spot at the moment.

The Kings will have a lineup that looks like this:

Evans/Fredette
Williams/Salmons/Garcia
Iguodala/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Robinson/Udoh/Hayes
Cousins/Whiteside

The defense would obviously be outstanding with Evans, Williams, and Iguodala on the perimeter. Salmons and Outlaw will be the primary substitutes on the perimeter. Both are good defenders as well. Cousins and Robinson are more than capable of holding down their defenders while Udoh and Whiteside will provide the shotblocking. This team will also be very good on the glass. Evans, Williams, and Iguodala are all above average rebounders for their position. Cousins and Robinson are exceptional rebounders and will solidify our dominance on the boards. The playmaking would be terrific. We would have three players who can average 5 assists per game in our starting lineup. Cousins is also a great passer which will help with our ball movement too. We would be a hard team to match up with based on our size, length, and strength. This lineup would also consist of 3 very athletic players who can play above the rim (Williams, Iguodala, and Robinson). It will give Evans some good fastbreak and alley oop options. The shooting would be the biggest maybe the only weakness. If Iguodala can hit the three like he did last season and Outlaw can return to his career percentage (34%), Evans will have some valuable shooters to dish out to at SF. Fredette can obviously spread the floor when he is in. Salmons isn't the best catch and shoot shooter, but hopefully he will recognize that is what we need out of him and will work harder at that aspect of his game. Lastly, if Evans and Williams can improve their jumpers, I think we will be alright. We literally would be above average in every aspect and below average in one (shooting).

Next offseason, D. Harris becomes an unrestricted free agent. I think he could be a good fit next to Evans. Good 3pt shooter, defender, and playmaker. He doesn't have a chuckers mentality either. Having a 3 guard rotation of Harris, Evans, and Williams could be a very dynamic rotation with Fredette coming in for spot minutes. He would definitely help us with our shooting which would have been our biggest weakness and it gives us four viable playmakers. The Kings would possbily have to amnesty Salmons to sign Harris depending on the market price for him, but Salmons would only have one more guaranteed year on his contract which could be a cheap amnesty if a team decides to place a bid on him.
 
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Wow barely half way thru my Mojoito at Jamroc Caribbean Grill on 101 and suddenly something on this board made sense. Desert Fox said what I was thinking. Lets do it.
 
CruzDude said:
Wow barely half way thru my Mojoito at Jamroc Caribbean Grill on 101 and suddenly something on this board made sense. Desert Fox said what I was thinking. Lets do it.
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I would be on board with that. Salmons and Hayes gone bam. Both mistakes gone at same time
 
You'd be trading the Kings problem (Salmons) for the Warrior's problem (Biedrins), but I think Biedrins has one less year on his contract, so next year he turns into an expiring.
 
Hayes would take the Warriors small-ball to an elite level! Yey!!!

Oh wait! Don Nelson is gone......so much your day dreamings. LOL!
 
swisshh said:
You'd be trading the Kings problem (Salmons) for the Warrior's problem (Biedrins), but I think Biedrins has one less year on his contract, so next year he turns into an expiring.
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In practice they have the same length on their contracts. Biedrins is going to be paid $18M over the next two years, because he's not invoking his ETO. Salmons is going to be paid $15.7M over the next two years, and then a $1M buyout in the third year. In essence, taking on the Biedrins for the Salmons contract is taking on even more money for an equally useless player, and guaranteeing that the amnesty cannot be used on that contract. I would really not be in favor of trading Salmons for Biedrins to get Wright. And it has sounded like the Warriors were relatively happy to just salary dump Wright, so we presumably wouldn't have to.
 
KingsCitizen said:
Hayes would take the Warriors small-ball to an elite level! Yey!!!

Oh wait! Don Nelson is gone......so much your day dreamings. LOL!
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Yes, unfortunately Nellie came here instead.

But G.S. has moved a long way from their smallball junk at this point, and is going to trot out a full sized/almsot big frontline next year and go play with the big boys. Chuck Hayes alone would hardly send them back into a Nellie spiral. Their new ownership gets it.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
In practice they have the same length on their contracts. Biedrins is going to be paid $18M over the next two years, because he's not invoking his ETO. Salmons is going to be paid $15.7M over the next two years, and then a $1M buyout in the third year. In essence, taking on the Biedrins for the Salmons contract is taking on even more money for an equally useless player, and guaranteeing that the amnesty cannot be used on that contract. I would really not be in favor of trading Salmons for Biedrins to get Wright. And it has sounded like the Warriors were relatively happy to just salary dump Wright, so we presumably wouldn't have to.
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This is also my point. It appears that the Warriors want to rid themselves of salary, so I doubt they want to take back equal salary. Hell, we could just absorb Wrights salary if thats all they want. If we really want Wright, then just do the damm deal and don't complicate it with trying to find a way to screw the other team, which probably won't work. I'm not a big fan of Biedrins, who hasn't played well for the last two years. And as you pointed out, the money adds up to almost the same amount as Salmons contract if played out. So why bother doing the deal. Salmons with his versitility would probably get more playing time than Biedrins would with our rotation of Cuz, Robinson, and JT.
 
bajaden said:
This is also my point. It appears that the Warriors want to rid themselves of salary, so I doubt they want to take back equal salary. Hell, we could just absorb Wrights salary if thats all they want. If we really want Wright, then just do the damm deal and don't complicate it with trying to find a way to screw the other team, which probably won't work. I'm not a big fan of Biedrins, who hasn't played well for the last two years. And as you pointed out, the money adds up to almost the same amount as Salmons contract if played out. So why bother doing the deal. Salmons with his versitility would probably get more playing time than Biedrins would with our rotation of Cuz, Robinson, and JT.
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Because Beidrins at least theoretically fills a role and has not yet failed for us.

If we resign TWill, get Wright, Salmons has no role. I also stick by my Salmons as human energy leech theory. :p
 
Although I prefer to watch an acorn grow over watching Salmons in action, he was the best bench player the Kings had last year, when he was healthy. I'd much rather lose Garcia and Hayes, with Garcia on my most unwanted list. Definitely don't like Biedrins, who shoots free throws worse than most jr high kids and seems to have a weird phobia about the ball catching his hands on fire. Wright is nice, but the price is too high.
 
I'd love to bring Dorrell Wright in. The problem now, is that we have too many players who needs minutes. Let's say right now our starting 5 is IT-Reke-Outlaw-Robinson-Cousins. On the bench we have Fredette-Thornton-Salmons-JT-Hayes. You can add Whiteside and Garcia, and even Williams, because I'd like to bring him back. Too many players, you can't have a 10 man rotation.
If we also want to trade for Wright, first we need to make room for him. One between Outlaw and Salmons has to go, maybe even both of them.

And I don't want Biedrins, we don't need him. I'd rather trow a minimum contract to Nazr Mohammed, if OKC doesn't want him back. They say he's a great presence inside the locker room, he has championship experience and he doesn't need minutes on the floor. He could be a perfect 12th-13th guy, just as a veteran figure.
 
Mass said:
I'd love to bring Dorrell Wright in. The problem now, is that we have too many players who needs minutes.

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If we also want to trade for Wright, first we need to make room for him. One between Outlaw and Salmons has to go, maybe even both of them.
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I'm not sure that Outlaw and Salmons qualify for "guys who need minutes". Certainly not if they produce like they did last year. If they produce at their career averages, we probably don't need Wright.
 
Mass said:
I'd love to bring Dorrell Wright in. The problem now, is that we have too many players who needs minutes. Let's say right now our starting 5 is IT-Reke-Outlaw-Robinson-Cousins. On the bench we have Fredette-Thornton-Salmons-JT-Hayes. You can add Whiteside and Garcia, and even Williams, because I'd like to bring him back. Too many players, you can't have a 10 man rotation.
If we also want to trade for Wright, first we need to make room for him. One between Outlaw and Salmons has to go, maybe even both of them.

And I don't want Biedrins, we don't need him. I'd rather trow a minimum contract to Nazr Mohammed, if OKC doesn't want him back. They say he's a great presence inside the locker room, he has championship experience and he doesn't need minutes on the floor. He could be a perfect 12th-13th guy, just as a veteran figure.
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Better to have a bunch of guys that need minutes than a bunch who don't deserve them.
 
Section 101 said:
Better to have a bunch of guys that need minutes than a bunch who don't deserve them.
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In theory, but not so much in practice. Coaches get confused. Roles and chemsitry get messed up. Most really good teams are highly hierarchical. Eveybody knows that they are there for. Nobody has delusions of grandeur. Guys in the rotation aren't worried one bad day will drop them from 7th man to 12th man.
 
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Mass said:
I'd love to bring Dorrell Wright in. The problem now, is that we have too many players who needs minutes. Let's say right now our starting 5 is IT-Reke-Outlaw-Robinson-Cousins. On the bench we have Fredette-Thornton-Salmons-JT-Hayes. You can add Whiteside and Garcia, and even Williams, because I'd like to bring him back. Too many players, you can't have a 10 man rotation.
If we also want to trade for Wright, first we need to make room for him. One between Outlaw and Salmons has to go, maybe even both of them.

And I don't want Biedrins, we don't need him. I'd rather trow a minimum contract to Nazr Mohammed, if OKC doesn't want him back. They say he's a great presence inside the locker room, he has championship experience and he doesn't need minutes on the floor. He could be a perfect 12th-13th guy, just as a veteran figure.
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That's assuming nazr has zero options anywhere else on a contending team. If the money's the same, I'd much rather sit on the bench of a playoff team than sit on the Kings. Someone may want him as insurance.

I'd take on biedrins. Worst case scenario is that u have a large contract on a guy who sucks. We already have those, so trading bad contracts is fine with me. Change of scenery, fresh start can benefit both parties. Salmons, Garcia, Hayes, take your pick. It's low risk at this point. He's been relegated to a non factor already so if he rides the pine its not like he's going to be a cancer.

Wright s another low risk option. Why not? He can do what we need. If not, he's gone anyways.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I'm not sure that Outlaw and Salmons qualify for "guys who need minutes". Certainly not if they produce like they did last year. If they produce at their career averages, we probably don't need Wright.
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I agree, but this is true for most of the teams in the NBA, not for us. I'm sure the maloofs don't want so have 10-11 million sitting down in the doog house all season long. If you give Salmons that much money, you have to give him minutes.
 
Section 101 said:
Better to have a bunch of guys that need minutes than a bunch who don't deserve them.
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I'm not so sure about that. In my opinion, you cannot have 12-13 guys who wants to get minutes. Someone will be unhappy and you can't build chemistry. A team works when everyone knows and is happy with his role. From the stars to the last one on the bench. I believe there should be 8-9 guys in the regular rotation, plus a couple of projects and 2-3 bench warmer, someone who can play limited minutes in case of injuries. You cannot have 7 or 8 players more or less of the same level on the bench, especially if you have a coach like Smart.
 
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