Dorell Wright

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I heard that he wants to be traded. I really like his potential, he's still young. How about Bibby for Wright, their 1st, Doleac, and Jwill?
 
A couple of things bother me about this idea.

6'8" guys are not exactly on our most-needed list, especially if Artest can't be traded over the summer. The poster's comments about the situation also make me skittish:
"I think its a dumb move but apparently Wright and Riley have reached a point of no return... Somebody put into Dorell's head that he is as good or better than Tracy McGrady and that he needs to go somewhere else for his talent to show."

This reminds me a little of KT and Ron-Ron. I'm not saying that he'd be that level of problem, not at all, but any resemblance to those guys is disturbing to me at the moment. The burnt hand learns best, and mine is still on fire.

No argument from me as far as his ballplaying ability goes, but I just can't get excited.
 
Actually, this could almost be a blessing here -- back when it looked like we were going to move Ron earlier in the year, one of the deals I though might actually make sense would be Ron for Wright, their #1 and Posey. Well, Posey is out of the picture now (barring sign and trade), but if Wright really wants to go, wonder if Riley would still consider Ron? I got the impression back when he started balking at deals around the deadline that Wright was one of the guys he did not want to part with. But now if he has to, and if we dangle Ron...might be one of the few/only places with the type of coach/vets to have any shot at controlling Ron. And in Wright we get back a guy who might give us a second chance at the Gerald Wallace situation.
 
my vote is trade ron b4 we go n trade bibby, as much i as love both of them n wish they could find a way to play together successfully i would rather see ron go than bibby. They both have pretty similar trade value but i think teams will be more likely to bite on ron than bibby.
 
91sickness said:
my vote is trade ron b4 we go n trade bibby, as much i as love both of them n wish they could find a way to play together successfully i would rather see ron go than bibby. They both have pretty similar trade value but i think teams will be more likely to bite on ron than bibby.
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Ron definitely needs to go but he doesn't have higher value than Bibby. Mike has shown he can be a legit #2 option on a contender. Ron is a basket case that we will be lucky to get a late first rounder for.
 
BMiller52 said:
Ron definitely needs to go but he doesn't have higher value than Bibby. Mike has shown he can be a legit #2 option on a contender. Ron is a basket case that we will be lucky to get a late first rounder for.
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I think Cleveland, Miami, LAC, and Orlando would love Bibby.
 
BMiller52 said:
I'm not interested in dealing with Orlando, they can't give us another 1st round draft pick.
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They do however have interesting young pieces, have a lottery pick stashed in Europe etc.

One of the reasons why if Wright were available I would be offering Artest first: Miami, assuming Riles stays, is one of the few places that might take a chance on Ron, he fits their vet-centric teams, and he plays the same position as the guy they would be losing (and they are also losing Posey).

Bibby could/probably should be traded too, but because he is sane, you have more opportunities there. No need to burn up one fo the few likely homes for Ron by sending them Bibby instead. Try to work out that three way with Cleveland again or some such on that front.
 
Kings deal:
Ron Artest

Miami Heat deal:
Dorell Wright
Antoine Walker
1st round pick

Miami's off-season line-up:
C: Shaq, Zo, Doleac
PF: Haslem, Simien
SF: Artest, Kapono
SG: Wade, Jones
PG: J. Williams

Sacramento's line-up:
C: Brad MIller, Justin Williams
PF: Kenny Thomas, Shareef, Walker
SF: Garcia, Wright
SG: Martin, Salmons, Douby
PG: Bibby, Price

Walker actually has team options on the last two years of his deal, essentially turning him into an expiring deal. We basically get Wright and the 20th pick for Ron...Walker is just an expiring filler to make the deal work.

Think the heat would bite?
 
Smills91 said:
Kings deal:
Ron Artest

Miami Heat deal:
Dorell Wright
Antoine Walker
1st round pick

Miami's off-season line-up:
C: Shaq, Zo, Doleac
PF: Haslem, Simien
SF: Artest, Kapono
SG: Wade, Jones
PG: J. Williams

Sacramento's line-up:
C: Brad MIller, Justin Williams
PF: Kenny Thomas, Shareef, Walker
SF: Garcia, Wright
SG: Martin, Salmons, Douby
PG: Bibby, Price

Walker actually has team options on the last two years of his deal, essentially turning him into an expiring deal. We basically get Wright and the 20th pick for Ron...Walker is just an expiring filler to make the deal work.

Think the heat would bite?
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don't know if the heat would bite but i definitely would.
 
91sickness said:
my vote is trade ron b4 we go n trade bibby, as much i as love both of them n wish they could find a way to play together successfully i would rather see ron go than bibby. They both have pretty similar trade value but i think teams will be more likely to bite on ron than bibby.
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I want both of them to go, Bibby because he is a shot 1st PG making way too much $, and Ron because he is cancer to the team, but he does bring a awesome player if he has his head in the game and he is also underpaid for what he brings on the court.

I'd trade Ron to Miami for a package of good young players like Wright, also I would love to see JWill back here in Sacto, other players to make it work. You really cannot be too picky here, just move Ron and get it over with already. Riley should be able to handle him, or else Shaq and Alonzo will physically keep him under control. :p

Bibby, move him for something. The Cavs really wanted him bad. At his point I wouldn't mind Gooden, Pollard, even Ira Neuble (the guy should lit us up, but then again we reinvent nobodies in the NBA so he might not be that special after all). :p

Let's get this team in rebuild mode, blow this clown up already!!!!!
 
Troy said:
I want both of them to go, Bibby because he is a shot 1st PG making way too much $, and Ron because he is cancer to the team, but he does bring a awesome player if he has his head in the game and he is also underpaid for what he brings on the court.

I'd trade Ron to Miami for a package of good young players like Wright, also I would love to see JWill back here in Sacto, other players to make it work. You really cannot be too picky here, just move Ron and get it over with already. Riley should be able to handle him, or else Shaq and Alonzo will physically keep him under control. :p

Bibby, move him for something. The Cavs really wanted him bad. At his point I wouldn't mind Gooden, Pollard, even Ira Neuble (the guy should lit us up, but then again we reinvent nobodies in the NBA so he might not be that special after all). :p

Let's get this team in rebuild mode, blow this clown up already!!!!!
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The main problem with Jason is his knees. I honestly don't think he's going to be playing that much longer.
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As far as trading Ron to Miami goes, I rather like the proposed trade but I don't know if Miami would bite... I think it's been mentioned elsewhere, but Pat Riley is one of the very few coaches I can think of who might actually be able to control Artest.
 
Here's my little fantasy scenario

Kings Trade:
Ron Artest

Heat Trade:
Antoine Walker
Dorell Wright
2007 1st Round Pick

http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3734940.

Kings Trade:
Mike Bibby

Kings Receive:
Tony Battie
Carlos Arroyo
Jameer Nelson
Fran Vazquez
Cleveland's 1st round pick from Phoenix

Magic Trade:
Keyon Dooling
Tony Battie
Carlos Arroyo
Jameer Nelson
Fran Vazquez

Magic Receive:
Mike Bibby
Marcus Banks

Suns Trade:
Marcus Banks
Cleveland's 1st round pick

Suns Receive:
Keyon Dooling

http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3734963

Kings resign Justin Williams

Kings Buyout Kenny Thomas

Kings sign Darko Milicic to the MLE

Kings draft Yi Jianlian with their pick, Hasheem Thabeet with the Heat's pick, and Alando Tucker with the Cavs' pick.

C Brad Miller
PF Yi Jianlian
SF Dorell Wright
SG Kevin Martin
PG Jameer Nelson

Walker
Milicic
Battie
Tucker
Arroyo
Douby
Garcia

Williams
Thabeet
Vazquez

I didn't have enough energy to try to think of a way to get rid of Miller because I frankly just don't see it possible. We can probably trade SAR though.

So what do you think?
 
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VF21 said:
The main problem with Jason is his knees. I honestly don't think he's going to be playing that much longer.
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As far as trading Ron to Miami goes, I rather like the proposed trade but I don't know if Miami would bite... I think it's been mentioned elsewhere, but Pat Riley is one of the very few coaches I can think of who might actually be able to control Artest.
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Curious to know why you think they wouldn't bite...Ron's a legit difference maker and Wright is rumored to be on skittish terms in Miami....they also improve their cap situation for the short and long term by doing the deal. I just don't see how Miami refuses this deal....Antoine Walker(FAToine) has just as many issues as Ron but for different reasons. Ron's issues aren't even concerning bball. If you can get a baby sitter(Sheriff Shaq) everything should be fine. Riley and Wade are gravy for the situation. Adding a pick in the 20's for the HUGE talent and contract upgrade is really nothing. It's just enough to make the Kings bite and IMO plenty for Miami to bite on.
 
Why wouldn't they bite? Because of the "Artest" factor. And it's not just confined to off the court. He's about the highest maintenance player in the sport today...there are very few coaches in the league who could probably get him to buy into their program without reservations or objections. His other issues may not concern basketball but they're as much a part of him as his defensive skills. You cannot take one without getting the other.

I said I didn't know if Miami would bite. I do know they'd have to think long and hard about it before committing to such an undertaking.

At some point, the excess baggage Ron carries with him could easily make him just too unstable to consider. Do I think that time is now? I honestly don't know...but I think it's rapidly approaching.

EDIT: Having said all that, I do agree that if he's going to go anywhere a team with Pat Riley and Shaq O'Neal on it might be the best solution all the way around.
 
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VF21 said:
The main problem with Jason is his knees. I honestly don't think he's going to be playing that much longer.
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As far as trading Ron to Miami goes, I rather like the proposed trade but I don't know if Miami would bite... I think it's been mentioned elsewhere, but Pat Riley is one of the very few coaches I can think of who might actually be able to control Artest.
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The other being Dr. Phil (Jackson) :p

and we don't want him teamed up with Kobie and Odom.

I didn't know about Jason's knee problems. I guess if we wanted a player like him again we would have drafted Sergio Rodriguez, the 2nd coming of White Chocolate!!!! :p
 
Ack -- its reached the point where we are seriously discussing trade ideas that end up with antoine Walker on the roster. :eek:
 
VF21 said:
Why wouldn't they bite? Because of the "Artest" factor. And it's not just confined to off the court. He's about the highest maintenance player in the sport today...there are very few coaches in the league who could probably get him to buy into their program without reservations or objections. His other issues may not concern basketball but they're as much a part of him as his defensive skills. You cannot take one without getting the other.

I said I didn't know if Miami would bite. I do know they'd have to think long and hard about it before committing to such an undertaking.

At some point, the excess baggage Ron carries with him could easily make him just too unstable to consider. Do I think that time is now? I honestly don't know...but I think it's rapidly approaching.

EDIT: Having said all that, I do agree that if he's going to go anywhere a team with Pat Riley and Shaq O'Neal on it might be the best solution all the way around.
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I do know for fact that Miami had made several offers for Ron during the season this year...just none of them were up to snuff for Petrie...so i don't think they're too intimidated to deal FOR Artest, it's what's coming back in return that's up for question. I don't think this deal is all that bad for the Kings in Reality..we'd get 24 million off the books in 09 between Bibby/Walker and another 26 million off the books in brad miller/kenny thomas in 2010. Between all the youngins we'd have and the capspace...we'd be hitting our stride in 2010 to become contenders again IMO.
 
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