You gave multiple responses full of nuance and alternative possible courses of action, and all my mans heard was, "We should keep Domas!"
Domas is who they thought he was.
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At least the good thing is we have a few pieces we can move to get the right help. We've got three guys that basically play the same position that all want to start. At least one is trade fodder and as much as this org loves Malik it might be best for everyone that he goes to a team where he can start (assuming we can't move Zach). Otherwise we can move Keon or even Devin who will be buried but since they are on cheap contracts I don't think we can realistically get anything back.
Oh and I have a guy I know who is a Minnesota fan and he was very, very upset about the KAT trade.
No, I used the Randle trade as a sample to another poster saying that it’s not really done(trading a number 1 or 2 for another teams 1 or 2). My point was that there could be a deal in place with another team where they view Domas as a better fit for there “guy”.
To be clear, I’d love to see Domas actually lead us to a series win. The longer he doesn’t, the longer he doesn’t. The sample size is growing. Hes Been bad in the playoffs. I don’t think anyone can dispute that. I guess the same can be said about Lavine in his career.
There Was a faction of talking heads out there who didn’t believe Domas could lead a team to deep playoff series. As much as we want to list his great achievements in the regular seasons, he Needs to show up in the playoffs.
Dude, I’ve got multiple poster’s responses blending into one. But you’re right. Really nice nuanced answer and alternative courses of action of course.
Lol, imagine posting that trade as if the Wolves didn't get absolutely smoked in value. If anything, the presence of Randle really hurts their upside because of Naz Reid.
This team was not built around Domas, it was built around Fox.
2 years ago, he was probably like 50%. Broken finger, bruised sternum from getting stomped on, black eye. Give me a break if you think that's his "best"
Last year, I forget. Maybe he did play bad?
This year, again has not been the same since his March injury. Oh, and his HC got fired, his co-star got traded, he played like 15 games with his new "co-star" LaVine, an assistant coach left mid-season, an assistant GM left mid-season and his GM got fired the day after the season. How in the flying **** are you trying to make this about Domas? Maybe lets fix the 17 other massive issues with this organization and not villify the All-NBA talent that wants to be here for a team that's had very few All-NBA talents in its history.
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SacTownKid
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But Domas is the real one starting to make this about him. He wants a say in how the team is built. He said as much in his exit interview and maybe nobody should blame him. Then the question is how do the Kings build around Domas with where they are at at this juncture. Definitely some of the pieces are here but if Domas doesn't think this roster can stay mostly as is and wants big change then it's a question of building for the future, or sacrificing future to build around Domas. We'll see where it goes but personally I think it's an easy answer. If they weren't willing to do it for Fox then they certainly can't justify doing it for Domas. The clear path was to either give them until next deadline to see what they look like after a real training camp, development of the young guys coming up, maybe a minor adjustment by trading DeMar, or start getting out and stacking assets before it's too late like with Fox.
Sorry man, going by what I see in the play in and playoffs
I hear you on Domas, it’s a valid point. But for me I’m not ready to give him up just yet. I want to see what he can do next to a dynamic playmaker. A Trae Young or LaMelo Ball is on a whole other level as playmakers compared to Fox. I’d also want to see Domas and Keegan paired with a legitimate frontcourt piece instead of DDR or HB.
iowamcnabb
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Forgive me if this has been discussed but the main problem folks have with Sabonis is he is not a rim protector. Do we have enough sample size with that to try him back at power forward again? 2 bigs is becoming a thing again plus I’ve always thought he was a much better individual defender than given credit for. He was a pf out of college and obviously played it for years in Indiana. Sabonis at the 4 and Keegan at the 3 all of sudden gives us plus size. Figure out center, whether that’s Jonas ( a better rim protector) or someone else. What about a sign and trade Lopez for Deebo? Lavine at the 2. Figure out the point guard (Devin Carter is my choice but I know that’s not going to happen). Keon back to the bench but with big minutes.
He played PF for years in Indiana, I wouldn't go so far as to say it worked, and Myles Turner would fit most reasonable people's definition of a rim protector, I think.
My thing about the defense of Sabonis on account of injuries is, do we believe that he spent his entire run in Indiana injured, too? Because he wasn't great in the playoffs there, either.
SacTownKid
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The question is what team that's playing big looks like a team with Domas at the 4? The Rockets have played some with Sengun at the 4 but he's already a little more of a competent bucket getter than Domas. Maybe Randle? The thing is Randle has really good faceup skills and can routinely attack off the dribble as well. Then it's a question of where you top out compared to those teams anyway. The teams committed to playing big typically have that unicorn defensively at the 4 like Evan Mobley or have a universal talent offensively. The C's play small the majority of the time still, the Knicks have KAT at C but he's another guy that offensively can pretty much do anything so spacing wise they'll never suffer regardless. AD is still AD when healthy as we saw. Deebo for a 37 year old Lopez just seems pointless TBH. First why would he come here, second how long would you have to pay him?
The only thing in front of the team now that could pan out happens this summer. If all is well summer league is a kicking off point for some of this young talent to find legit space in the rotation. Just like it did for Keon and Keegan in the past.
iowamcnabb
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I feel like it’s worth trying to see if it works before shipping out a 19 13 and 6 guy who shoots 40 percent from 3. Especially so if his value is lower than it should be for a multi time all star.
Okay but, again, it would seem as if the ideal frontcourt-mate to pair with Sabonis is an athletic rim protector. What are the chances that the Kings can acquire a player to fit that role who's better than Myles Turner, with the assets they have available?
SacTownKid
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If they add him to Zach and DeMar they could officially become the Bacers. Or the Pulls. Or the Pacing Bulls. At some point recreating Central divisions cores of the past has to hit right? haha.
SacTownKid
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As long as it doesn't hamper the cap beyond 2027 or require valuable rebuild assets, short term why not moves shouldn't be off the table. If it cuts off opportunity from players like Carter, Keon, or Jones though the Kings are going down the same slippery slope of hindering some of the lone potential development/buildable trade assets they have in front of them. It's at the stage though where even if they did, if it didn't work out even Vivek couldn't ignore the rebuild. When they traded Cuz they didn't go deep enough down probably and immediately tried to expedite the process via FA but they didn't trade Cuz for Greg Monroe or in some baseless win now move in hopes to kind of remain the same.
iowamcnabb
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The Domas/Turner pairing had 3 seasons with 45 or more wins. Would it take an athletic 5 to replicate that type of success? I dunno. Or maybe just any center that can protect the rim. The defensive ratings are much better with Jonas at the 5. Maybe you try to find athleticism from the bench like Isaac Jones.
SacTownKid
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The Bucks are an interesting option. If Portis Jr. and Connaughton opt in they get awfully close to DeMars number. And that would also serve the purpose of clearing out the contract in a worst case.
iowamcnabb
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yeh I think Denver, Miami and the Bucks are teams to watch for Deebo.
I want to keep Sabonis as I believe it’s more of the supporting cast or lack of support around him. Too much isolation and not enough ball movement from a few of the others.
I see the stats and I just want more players involved in the offense. Yeah defensively we suck most nights but come on those defensive guys scoring is flat not there more often than not. Is it because of the starters needing to score and get theirs?
I am getting older and yes I will still follow the Kings but I am also getting tired of watching our team for one reason or the other constantly losing.
I see the stats and I just want more players involved in the offense. Yeah defensively we suck most nights but come on those defensive guys scoring is flat not there more often than not. Is it because of the starters needing to score and get theirs?
I am getting older and yes I will still follow the Kings but I am also getting tired of watching our team for one reason or the other constantly losing.
upinsmoke
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I will stand on this hill. Domas is a traditional 4. Keegan is a 3. So logically we should look to acquire an athletic rim protector to play C. The SG's have proven a point that they cannot all start so Demar should play reserve 3 and Lavine should play reserve 2. Start Carter and have Malik back him up.
When the "star" guards agents start raising hell invite them to start looking for a trade on their own that makes sense for all parties.
When the "star" guards agents start raising hell invite them to start looking for a trade on their own that makes sense for all parties.
Joshyjosh31
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Dreams of being play in contenders are alive and well
sactowndog
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I don’t other stand the Trae Young fit. Trae likes to run pick and rolls and throw lobs to a rim running big. He and prime Capella were a good fit. Domas is the opposite of that player.
I think it could be similar or maybe better than the Monk-Sabonis PnR
SacTownKid
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Better talent wise without doubt but Monk is like Trae on xanax and that's not a bad thing. Monk takes some horrible out of rhythm shots that go in but Trae is on another level. Trae/Domas would be a disaster defensively. Trae has had ZERO years of +DBPM. The D would be just a pure unmitigated disaster, lol. When Domas says PG he's likely complaining about dumping Fox, but if he's saying it with meaning, he has to mean more of a flow of the offense player that moves the ball. Not one that has a career USG of 31+ and is career non defender.
The problem with this idea is that no one gives up that type of player (an athletic rim protecting C) for cheap unless they are terrible at everything else. The other problem we have is that Domas is really our only big trade chip at this point and he's also in his prime right now while the young guys (Ellis, Murray, Carter, Jones) are still a little raw and the other vets (LaVine, DeRozan, Valanciunas) are probably into their late career decline years. We've got three different timelines going now (I'd put Monk in the same category as Domas) and we're not close enough to being competitive for two of them to be worth pursuing.
Maybe Perry is a miracle worker and will find a trade that makes all of this make sense but the more likely answer to our situation is to sell high on Domas while we still can, use that trade to get our athletic rim protector, and keep Doug around to lead the young guys.
upinsmoke
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Yes I agree if you take a moment to check out the "personal moves" section I'm the OP to a thread about trading Domas. My best case scenario is Memphis gets smashed and they look to add Sabonis or trade Jackson Jr.
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