Depending on OKCs playoff run, I like Domas for Hartenstein and picks.
Domas is who they thought he was.
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Depending on OKCs playoff run, I like Domas for Hartenstein and picks.
Or for IH and some of those bench wings. OKC is so deep
Tizzy Flip
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There simply is not a big market for bigs that are offensive hubs that can’t stretch the floor. You would think he would fit well with teams like Thunder and Celtics with their 7ft do-everythings. Maybe Mavs. But their guard play is so elite, they wouldn’t be utilizing what they’re good at if Domas acts as a hub for even a third of their possessions. We gotta figure out a way to make it work unless a team offers us something silly
41.7% from three says he can stretch the floor.
Domas is the best player we've had since Cousins, and one could make an argument he's the best player we've had since Webber. I can't remotely get behind the idea that we need to dump him because he's not a rim protector, but there seems to be a decent contingent of folks who want that. Dump Domas, and we're in a rebuild whether we meant to be or not.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Yeah, the Kings shouldn't have to dump Domas, he has to have value. Fox > Domas in terms of go to abilities. Talent for talent Domas doesn't hold a candle to Cuz. Domas is more efficient but it's a lot like Barnes because they just cut the fat and don't do what they can't do. Cuz could pretty much do anything and probably should have refined a little more but you can't ever refine what you don't have. Cuz was about as close to a superstar offensive player as the Kings have had in Sacramento. Domas has always kind of been somewhere in between that and Brad Miller. Domas has never ever been that player where he peaks at unguardable for extended stretches.
Insomniacal Fan
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There are two shots that matter in the NBA, the layup, and the 3. Defensively, Domas is a weak point against both. A couple of years ago, the novel DHO offense made up for it. The rebounding has always been an empty stat.
Rebuilding around Domas is the wrong move
Rebuilding around Domas is the wrong move
Some Sacramento fans just can't fathom having nice things. Objectively. Domas is one of the best players this franchise as ever had and certainly the best since Webb. But now he's the problem because all the other "bad guys" are gone
Seriously a joke. We talk about Vivek being bad, welp.. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree
I gotta take issue with this. Best since Cousins? Maybe, probably. Best since Webber? Nah.
Insomniacal Fan
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In terms of career value, Domas might be the 3rd best player on the team today. (I think Zach and DeMar make it into the Hall of Fame before Domas)
But come on man, the team isn't nice; we've missed the playoffs two years in a row. The franchise isn't obliged anymore to give season ticket holders a chance find greater fools to sell their unwanted seats.
The guys on the team now earning big contracts are just placeholders for the next era. Everyone on the team should have the "interim" tag on their job title
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
It has nothing to do with being a problem, it has to do with whether or not he's the level of a player that should be dictating how an organization does it's business. He ain't that dude.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
If Demarcus's body holds up he's probably up around double digit All star appearances for his career. Between Fox and Domas, it gets a little tougher to tell but Fox has a much better ability to carry teams for sure.
I think you are missing the point by a mile. Domas is a good player. I think everyone acknowledges that. But we aren’t going anywhere with him so far. Maybe Scott Perry is able to find the right pieces to fit next To Domas but I don’t think he’s a guy to build around. Proving to be a hard task so far, no?
Yes, best since Webb. Over cousins
We built around Fox, not Domas
Nah.
We've done a better job building around Domas than we have any player since Webber. Three straight 40-win seasons with Domas. Zero other 40-win seasons in Sacramento outside of the Webber years (technically Adelman years, as Webb missed the very end). Never got there with Cousins, never got there with Fox before Domas was in the mix. Is there another player even worth thinking about?
And if we dump Domas, now who are we building around? Zach? Nope, he's gotta be the #2 guy even if he's the top scoring option. You NEED a better player on the floor than Zach to get anywhere. Keegan? I love Keegan, but he's no superstar. #4 guy on a contender, could become #3 if his rookie year shot comes back. Truly useful defensive player. DeRozan? Nope, #2, and too old. Monk? Keon? Carter? Nope, nope, nope.
We've got a lot of useful rotation players, as I think we all know and can be seen above. But we need that #1 guy, and unless we win the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes, I don't know where that guy is coming from. So it's Domas, who isn't the classic #1, but he gives us the ability to run the team through the high post (sound familiar?) and he rebounds like a star. Can score in the post, can score on the perimeter, basically runs the team's sets play in and play out on both sides of the ball. It's Domas, or it's give completely up and beg the lotto balls to be kinder to us than they usually have been. And if we take that second route, all of those nice rotation players are going to end up finding their way out of Sacramento and we'll have to build that rotation back up too.
I see three possibilities:
1) Keep Domas, rejigger by trading DDR and possibly Monk to get better roster balance, hand Zach the unquestioned #2 spot on the team as the primary scorer, and hope the Zach-Domas chemistry develops (I think it was said they played 15 games together?)
2) Hit the Flagg. That's a rebuild in the bounce of a ping-pong ball. But don't count on it.
3) Get rid of Domas and tank for at least 5 years. It'll be 5 years before we see .500 again, at the minimum.
Take your pick, I mean, except #2. Can't actually pick that, but we will have a less than 1% chance to get it anyway.
Insomniacal Fan
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Sorry for only responding to the part of your post that I disagree with; but 5 years of tanking to rebuild is unlikely. Of the current teams in the playoffs, only New York and Detroit took longer than 4 years to complete a rebuild.
Leaving out the Clippers, Celtics, and effing Lakers (edge case for 2020 Warriors); every other team in the playoffs this year has tanked in the past 15 years, and rebuilt within 4 years.
The way I count it, the Kings have done two rebuilds since 2016, and it only took us 2, and 4 years to get to ~ .500 ball.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Who are you talking about here? I might even agree if a viable name is presented.
Webber was traded away in 2005. Boogie was drafted in 2010. So not a lot of time or a lot of good candidates in between.
Brad Miller? Ron Artest? Peja? Who is your guy?
reptilexcq2
Bench
Ya all are stupid if you are thinking of removing Domas. He is one of the most consistent players in the NBA. The problem isn't he can't defend, it's the damm whole team. If one hole is leaking water, you can easily stop it, but if all five holes are leaking, you can't expect to plug and stop every hole. Everyone in the starting lineup is worthy of being starter ONLY if you surround them with good defenders. But none all of them are worthy of starting if all of them are on the court at the same time because they don't play D. Domas is worthy of being starting if Keegan and others step up his defensive game. Monk and Lavine are worthy of being starters if we have a PG, SF, PF and Center that at least play defense. DeRozen is worthy of being a starter if we have a PG, GS, PF and Center that playing defense. Unfortunately, none of them play D. So, in the offseason, we got to find PG and remove either Lavine or DeRozen to upgrade the team. Carter might be the PG we're looking because of his defense but his offense need to take off.
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I guess it's kind of arbitrary how to define a rebuild, but we were under .500 (and in fact under 40 wins, so a bit worse than that) and missed the playoffs for 16 straight years, dating from 10 years before you placed your starting point. If we define the acquisition of Fox as the event that started our most recent rebuild, it was 6 years before we made the playoffs. So I don't really think that a 5 year window of pain is that unreasonable of a suggestion. And even worse, that window is being opened upon the acquisition of the first key player of the rebuild. But we almost certainly don't even have a pick this year, so if we trade out Domas for draft capital to start over, unless we do it for a high lotto pick this year we can't even hope to start the rebuild proper until the '26-'27 season.
This, of course, is ignoring the elephant in the room, which is that Vivek clearly does not want to tank and rebuild. He wants to retool on the fly. And if we were to try *that* strategy in combination with getting rid of Domas, I really have no hope that we would do anything but stay planted at 38 wins in perpetuity.
He's talking Cousins. He's saying Cousins was better than Sabonis. And Cousins was the best player since Webber.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Not necessarily. If they took the next two years to develop guys, some of them become rotation players or beyond and the Kings hit on a 2026 pick they can prep for 2027 with a bunch of space to make a move and/or trade for more assets. All three of those options are decent, the scary one is trading youth/picks for more win now gambles because then not whiffing .500 for 5 years could easily turn into 8-10.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
You don't just remove Domas, you get a haul for him. And we'll see because Domas might be removing himself. Saying the right things and doing them aren't always the same. If Perry basically runs it back, that perfectly acceptable IMO. Unlike the 2nd Beam team year, the contracts are already signed so a run it back doesn't do much if it lands flat. Theoretically all the high paid pieces should maintain their value up until the deadline.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
On a contender it might be more like 3rd. A super productive all star level offensive glue type.
KingsFanSince85
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Reading is fundamental.
Thanks for clarifying. For whatever reason I wasn’t interpreting that way, but now I see it.
And I don’t disagree with him. Cousins in his prime was a superior player, personality flaws and all.
If we had a playoff caliber team around Boogie in those days, we’d have seen it at a different level.
Reading is fundamental.
Thanks for clarifying. For whatever reason I wasn’t interpreting that way, but now I see it.
And I don’t disagree with him. Cousins in his prime was a superior player, personality flaws and all.
If we had a playoff caliber team around Boogie in those days, we’d have seen it at a different level.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
If Sabonis is your second piece and your first piece isn’t Luka, prime lebron , jordan than have fun as play in contenders. Oh wait
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Kings will be making a mistake by not trading Sabonis before the season but since Vivek will have none of it, the organization will continue to peak as a play-in team. Having the play-in gives owners like Vivek the false hope that if they just get a chance to get in, they can advance to the Postseason and eventually (like the Heat) advance further
serbiangoat
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He's been badly outplayed by then likes of Looney, Tristan Thompson amongst others in the playoffs/play ins , he's a excellent regular season guy but he has a Joel Embiid like drop off and he always seems to be carrying an injury come playoffs time like Embiid. His career playoffs/play in statistics are very similar to Jonas and he's far higher usage than Jonas.
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