Big Cuz 15
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we have the talent to be a great team. good distributor, capable 2 guard defender/shooter, small forward, defensive 4 (injured atm), dominant center. can we get a REAL chef that knows how to cook with these ingredients?
DMC tells Bee he "feels lost"
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Big Cuz 15
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More like...just plain disgusted.
Yeah, that is the issue. We've been doing this coaching carousel thing for way too long as is. Switching coaches is awful for stability. It is just that Karl is SUCH a HORRIBLE fit for Cuz, that we've been backed into a corner. Do we stick with Karl, who is going to retire in two years anyways. Or do we stick with Cuz, who has 8 to 10 years of a dominant prime left in his career? I think it's a no brainer, but it is also an awful decision to have to make.
Which is why I'm still fuming over the Malone firing. I'm gonna be mad about that asinine decision for as long as we're still suffering its effects.
But yeah, if we fire Karl, we need a slam dunk sure fire 100 percent gonna work out coach lined up. Thibs? Who knows...
vivek ****ed this all up then hired damage control vlade to fix it.
gunks
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I understand where the criticism of Cousins comes from. When he is frustrated he dogs it on the court. He goes into "Who cares" mode.....It is annoying as hell and really hurts us in a lot of games. He really needs to be a better leader, and step his professionalism up.
Thing is.... This franchise needs to stop giving him so many reasons to be frustrated! We have had THE WORST owners, GMs (I like what Vlade has done so far though), and coaches (well, besides the guy who got fired for winning too much with a boring style) possible during Cousins' tenure as a King. Its insane.
I understand where the criticism of Cousins comes from. When he is frustrated he dogs it on the court. He goes into "Who cares" mode.....It is annoying as hell and really hurts us in a lot of games. He really needs to be a better leader, and step his professionalism up.
Thing is.... This franchise needs to stop giving him so many reasons to be frustrated! We have had THE WORST owners, GMs (I like what Vlade has done so far though), and coaches (well, besides the guy who got fired for winning too much with a boring style) possible during Cousins' tenure as a King. Its insane.
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I haven't finished reading this thread, so forget me if this has already been mentioned but I think DMC answers your question in this interview with SLAM.
No offense meant at all, but I think this is one of the most ridiculous comments I've seen in a long time. While there is a small core of fans who wouldn't care if he left, I can pretty much guarantee there would be an outcry like none we have ever seen before should DMC actually leave. Kings fans aren't stupid. You don't drive away a player like DMC...
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I honestly don't think there are many, if any Cousins haters. I think people have just become kind of tired to his inconsistent effort every night and the losing. When he's putting 100% in while using his aggression for positive plays, he looks like a top 10 player. However, when he has games like last night, then blames his defense on coaching..it kind of makes you scratch your head. On defense, we saw him slow on rotations, and sometimes not even contesting Gortat.
I think Karl needs to be blamed too...especially for putting Cuz on the perimeter and 3pt line way too much. Not sure why he doesn't use him more in the high post. However, we've heavily invested in Cousins as our franchise player. In 2015, it's hard to have your franchise player be a big man. I don't think there are any teams out there in the NBA who have a big man as their franchise player. Detroit comes pretty close, but it's Reggie Jackson. Utah comes close, but it's still Gordon Hayward. I think Cousins has to be your 2nd best player to be successful. It also doesn't help that Rudy Gay is mad inconsistent.
All fans want is winning basketball...or at least a direction. It doesn't seem like we can win with Cousins as our franchise player after watching him for 6 years. His ceiling is so high, but I'm not sure that he can reach it while here in Sacramento.
I just wish Cousins would play at his higher level a lot more. He has so much passion for the game, but it hurts when he decides to blow it all off. Kings fans have experienced losing for way too long. I think we have to shake things up if this season doesn't go according to plan.
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Blob
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Can we maybe chill with the term "haters"? It's reductive. No one and no Kings fans in their right mind hates Cousins. This kid paid for a funeral and recently bought a family a new car. And even if he didn't someone would have to be fairly unstable to hate a person for playing basketball poorly.
Saying his critics are "haters" is like saying supporters are "fan boys". I don't think Cousin supporters would appreciate be called fan boys. Critics and fans of the Kings are frustrated by Cousins play recently and venting that frustration. Cousins is one of my favorite players but I have been as critical as anyone recently. I certainly don't hate him. I think he's a great player with a good heart with a few issues he needs to sort out. All of us have "issues" to various degrees, some more than others
Just a note: We have a Cousins trade thread in the Personnel Moves forum.
Saying his critics are "haters" is like saying supporters are "fan boys". I don't think Cousin supporters would appreciate be called fan boys. Critics and fans of the Kings are frustrated by Cousins play recently and venting that frustration. Cousins is one of my favorite players but I have been as critical as anyone recently. I certainly don't hate him. I think he's a great player with a good heart with a few issues he needs to sort out. All of us have "issues" to various degrees, some more than others
I, for one, would object.
Seriously, you make a good point but unfortunately the term "hater" has a long and distinguished history on almost all fan boards. And, also unfortunately, in some cases, the comments of certain "critics" come across as much more than mere criticism.
Vlade put DMC, Rudy and Rondo together for a reason. He had no choice with George Karl. I will argue against trading anybody until we know for certain our three stars cannot be utilized in the manner Vlade envisioned.
Cousins is only speaking what a lot of us have noticed. Karl, at times, is the HoF coach. At other times, however, he seems like the Mad Hatter. If it seems that way to us, the fans on the outside, just imagine the confusion of those on the inside.
Cousins is only speaking what a lot of us have noticed. Karl, at times, is the HoF coach. At other times, however, he seems like the Mad Hatter. If it seems that way to us, the fans on the outside, just imagine the confusion of those on the inside.
Big Cuz 15
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let's get a coach who doesn't encourage pick up ball mentality. hey, heres what you can and cannot do. go out there and win us some games!!
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KingMilz
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Denver really thrived since his departure........
gunks
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Can we maybe chill with the term "haters"? It's reductive. No one and no Kings fans in their right mind hates Cousins. This kid paid for a funeral and recently bought a family a new car. And even if he didn't someone would have to be fairly unstable to hate a person for playing basketball poorly.
Saying his critics are "haters" is like saying supporters are "fan boys". I don't think Cousin supporters would appreciate be called fan boys. Critics and fans of the Kings are frustrated by Cousins play recently and venting that frustration. Cousins is one of my favorite players but I have been as critical as anyone recently. I certainly don't hate him. I think he's a great player with a good heart with a few issues he needs to sort out. All of us have "issues" to various degrees, some more than others
This point was so well made, that I went back and edited the original post!
kingjatt
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You cannot run a big body like that 40 mins a game. Malone understood that right when he got here, Boogie is a killer when he rested and on the block, running up in down playing junkball parked on the perimeter with 4 other midgets is not the best way to use him. He is going to miss more jumpers than he hits, compounding that problem is the fact if boogie is taking a 3, no one is getting the rebounds.
I'd rather hire Thibs in the off-season when Karl gets fired. Just once...scratch that, just once again, I'd like for Sac to hire a defensive first coach. We had one. Just try that type of hire and see what happens. Thibs please. I'd rather swing for the fences and hire Christie as head coach. Hire the right coach for this type of team. The Warriors win with defense. The Spurs win with defense. The Lebron Heat won with defense. It's not rocket science.
DMC is featured in this months SLAM magazine
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DMC: I love Sacramento. I consider this home, so that’s not the problem. The losing is.
SLAM: So you working on your legacy?
DMC: All that comes into play. I want my legacy to be here, I want my number in the rafters here. I want that storyline to be he changed things around in Sacramento.
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I f'in love this guy.
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DMC: I love Sacramento. I consider this home, so that’s not the problem. The losing is.
SLAM: So you working on your legacy?
DMC: All that comes into play. I want my legacy to be here, I want my number in the rafters here. I want that storyline to be he changed things around in Sacramento.
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I f'in love this guy.
Blob
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I, for one, would object.
Seriously, you make a good point but unfortunately the term "hater" has a long and distinguished history on almost all fan boards. And, also unfortunately, in some cases, the comments of certain "critics" come across as much more than mere criticism.
A long and distinguished history does not legitimize the use of a word. I know you are unhappy with Karl. If I said "Oh you are just a hater where the Kings coach is concerned" I think you would take exception to this label because it undermines the merits of your opinion. You may have rational points of view in regards to his coaching performance but if I say you are just a hater I am claiming your opinions are irrational and rooted in disproportionate level of personal animosity.
Regardless if someone hates a player or coach for performing poorly, they need to lay off the bottle or seek counseling, or go to AA and kill two birds with one stone
There is no other way to say it than using the term hater in my opinion. Some people take this term way to seriously on a fan board. At this point right now, I'm a Karl hater. Karl is probably going to end up in the HOF but it sure doesn't mean I can't hate what he's doing right now. Hes got a roster that should succeed and I put the blame at his feet.I, for one, would object.
Seriously, you make a good point but unfortunately the term "hater" has a long and distinguished history on almost all fan boards. And, also unfortunately, in some cases, the comments of certain "critics" come across as much more than mere criticism.
Sac.1989
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been saying it for an age now along with various others that Karl hasn't built our offense around Demarcus's strengths.
He's taken his inadequate philosophy and attempted to ingrain it at the complete detriment of our franchise player. This is basketball 101 really and our HOF coach just doesnt get it. You could build a highly successful offense around Demarcus and when and if he ever is part of another team they will go a very long way by leveraging his strengths which is what any sane coach would do.
Its evident and clear as day now that Cousins struggles are associated with Karl and his affiliation with smallball, tempo, and pace.
He's taken his inadequate philosophy and attempted to ingrain it at the complete detriment of our franchise player. This is basketball 101 really and our HOF coach just doesnt get it. You could build a highly successful offense around Demarcus and when and if he ever is part of another team they will go a very long way by leveraging his strengths which is what any sane coach would do.
Its evident and clear as day now that Cousins struggles are associated with Karl and his affiliation with smallball, tempo, and pace.
Sac.1989
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SLAM: Is it as easy for you as it looks?
DMC: On the court? Absolutely, it’s easy. Nobody can guard me.
SLAM: With some of the other big guys it looks like work. Getting 25 and 12 seems to sort of just happen for you.
DMC: I hate to sound cocky, but it’s easy.
SLAM: So are you the best big in the League?
DMC: By far.
Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/antidote/#H4utAorsfctVLpR0.99
There's one problem with waiting for the off-season. Rondo. If you let Karl lead you to a losing season, there's a big chance Rondo will pick another team in free agency. The Kings need to win *now*, and for this to happen - Karl has to go.
Also, if you wait too long, Thibs may be hired by another team. Time is of the essence here.
KingsFanGER
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The easy solution is to send Karl back and bring in Malone.
Since that has no basis in reality, we have two options for success:
1. Karl needs to give a damn again. He has the brains to figure this out. He has a prodigy on the floor (Rondo) who can help if he wants. Right now I feel like it's not that he can't, it's that he won't. He of all people should know that a system only works if you have the right players for it. That's why it worked in Denver, but it's a lazier way to approach things. By all accounts, Vlade brought in the right mix of players to win featuring Cousins on the inside. We see it, I know the players feel it.
2. Pull the plug, yet again. This time around, you have better choices. Brooks, Thibs, etc. are out there, but you better damn well be sure you have one.
Frankly, I'm surprised this is coming out now. It seems like DMC held out as long as he could, and he's given it a try, but he's not Dirk. He shouldn't be asked to play like him.
Karl in Sac is sort of like Adelman in Minnesota. He wants to play his style. He wants players for his style. He expects the talent to fit into system. Too old to to adjust or try something different.
Karl has more to play for so I am curious what happens over the course of the season.
Karl has more to play for so I am curious what happens over the course of the season.
A long and distinguished history does not legitimize the use of a word. I know you are unhappy with Karl. If I said "Oh you are just a hater where the Kings coach is concerned" I think you would take exception to this label because it undermines the merits of your opinion. You may have rational points of view in regards to his coaching performance but if I say you are just a hater I am claiming your opinions are irrational and rooted in disproportionate level of personal animosity.
Regardless if someone hates a player or coach for performing poorly, they need to lay off the bottle or seek counseling, or go to AA and kill two birds with one stone
My point was I would hate being called a fan boy because I'm a girl.
As for the rest, I don't think you get the point. There are critics and then there are those few who go beyond the pale. Having moderated this board for over 13 years, I know full well there are some whose animosity knows no bounds. I am extremely unhappy with George Karl. If you call me hater, that's your opinion. If I'm using "rational points of view" to discuss his coaching performance and you think they're "irrational" then we have a conceptual difference of opinion...a stereotypical "We'll agree to disagree" moment.
This is a fan board. Pretty much everyone on here at one point or another has hated a player or coach for something. To say they therefore need to lay off the bottle or seek counseling is denying the basic reason this board and all the others like it exist.
Blob
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I would adamantly disagree with this on behalf of myself and others. I hate ISIS. I don't hate guys who run around in baggy shorts. I may dislike a player for his approach to the game or playing style (James Harden comes to mind). But hate is a strong word that I don't think she be thrown around in this context.
Speaking just for myself, I'll stop using "hater" when everybody else on earth stops using combat analogies in sports.
Signed,
Mr. Slim Citrus, Navy veteran
Signed,
Mr. Slim Citrus, Navy veteran
Call me naive. There was a time that I would fight strongly against a system I felt would simply lead to early playoff exits, but at this point I'd be really happy with 55 wins and a 1st round playoff exit every year for the remainder of Karl's coaching career with us. I mean... it has been 9 years since we made the playoffs.
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SacTownKing
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I think all of us would take a first round exit . the problem is we are a bad team right now with veteran talent and no reason to be bad. karl has been horrible for this team. His system doesnt work here . If cousins keeps playing this style we will continue to be a bad team.
