Did Tyreke need Spencer Hawes?

[jcwkings]

Everyone can bag on Hawes, but something i notice alot this year is that Tyreke can beat his man pretty easily most of the time, but will hesitate to go inside because of all the big men. Last year Spencer lived in the perimeter and that opened up the inside for tyrekes drives. Cousins just isn't an outside threat and teams are just packing in the paint.

 

[Asaf]

Yes and no. Hawes's presence did make things a lot easier for Tyreke because he could spread the floor and lure the big man out. But that's only one part of the picture. The other part is that it shouldn't be all about Tyreke, and he needs to adjust his game to be able to play with Cousins. To paraphrase "ask not what Cousins can do for you, but what you can do for Cousins". Tyreke needs to learn how to feed Cousins in the post as a primary option, and not just as something he does when his driving lane is taken away (actually, he doesn't do it even then...). He needs to learn to run a pick and roll with Cousins too.

So, in short, yes, Spencer was much more suited to complement Tyreke's game, but the team will benefit more if Tyreke learns how to play with Cousins (and the rest of the team, for that matter).

 

[Bricklayer]

Everyone can bag on Hawes, but something i notice alot this year is that Tyreke can beat his man pretty easily most of the time, but will hesitate to go inside because of all the big men. Last year Spencer lived in the perimeter and that opened up the inside for tyrekes drives. Cousins just isn't an outside threat and teams are just packing in the paint.

Short answer: not remotely.

And your premise is flawed to -- aside from taking low percentage three point chucks, Cousins is at least as effective as Hawes from outside, and has to be guarded 18-20 feet from the hoop.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

No, but I dont see how a stretch big man could hurt him. In theory, having a big man the opposing teams big man will have to guard around the perimeter can open things up inside for him. I wouldnt say thats his biggest problem though. Something else is wrong.

 

[mac]

Short answer: not remotely.

And your premise is flawed to -- aside from taking low percentage three point chucks, Cousins is at least as effective as Hawes from outside, and has to be guarded 18-20 feet from the hoop.

I don't it's so much an issue whether or not Cousins is a threat outside more so than the fact that Cousins plays inside a lot more than Hawes. Regardless of whether he's a threat outside or not he can't pull his defender outside if he's playing inside, which is where we want him to be playing.

 

[Kingstime]

Nope.

What Tyreke needs to do is learn to compromise out there on the court. What he will learn to realize is (Check alot of game tapes btw) his new improved jumpshot only looks 'improved' and 'accurate' when he can receive in on catch and shoot situations. I've only seen his shot look fluid off passes from a doubled DMC or in rhythm for his teammates, he still goes into his odd shooting motion off one v one isos.

This yr I still see Reke being able to get to the rim whenever he wants, he's just injured and can't hold up as the game progresses. Last year I didn't really see much of Spencer helping Tyreke, hell half the time Spence wasn't out there alot cuz of the issues he had with coach Westphal.

When Tyreke and DMC get their chemistry down they'll realize they might be each others perfect compliment for their games.

 

[mr. moustache]

no. crazy that one would even go there if they watched the games this year and last.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I keep hearing about how teams are packing the paint against Tyreke but they did that last year and they STILL couldn't stop him. I think the injury is causing a lack of confidence around the rim. I don't really feel spacing is the issue here.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Everyone can bag on Hawes, but something i notice alot this year is that Tyreke can beat his man pretty easily most of the time, but will hesitate to go inside because of all the big men. Last year Spencer lived in the perimeter and that opened up the inside for tyrekes drives. Cousins just isn't an outside threat and teams are just packing in the paint.

 

[bajaden]

Cousins plays at the top of the Key a lot, and therefore isn't hindering Tyreke's attacking the basket. That aside, the team is what it is, and the main core is made up of Tyreke and Cousins. So they have to figure out how to play together in a way to get the best results. That brings me back to the coaching staff. Why very few pick and rolls with the two of them. Or with Beno and Cousins. Answer me this. Why, when Cousins is at the high post with the ball, the oinly player not moving without the ball is Evans. His backdoor cuts are far and few between. Usually its Beno or Casspi when he's in the game cutting down the lane. Hardly ever Tyreke. Why? I'm not trying to pick on him. I'm not even implying that its his fault. Ultimately I blame the coaching staff for not correcting the problems.

As far as Hawes goes. If Tyreke's career depends on have Spencer Hawes on the floor with him, then were all in big trouble here.

 

[nickmcclure]

So the 7 foot center SHOULD be at the perimeter? This is the first time I think I've heard this side of the argument lol.
PS We are lucky to have gotten him off our hands. All Hawes does for the 6ers is get dunked on...

 

[The Basketball Kings]

Cousins plays at the top of the Key a lot, and therefore isn't hindering Tyreke's attacking the basket. That aside, the team is what it is, and the main core is made up of Tyreke and Cousins. So they have to figure out how to play together in a way to get the best results. That brings me back to the coaching staff. Why very few pick and rolls with the two of them.

Because Tyreke SUCKS in the pick & roll. He can't ever make the right pass to his open man when he rolls to the bucket.

Dude can't even give the ball up on a fast break when Beno is wide open.

 

[Tetsujin]

Because Tyreke SUCKS in the pick & roll. He can't ever make the right pass to his open man when he rolls to the bucket.

Dude can't even give the ball up on a fast break when Beno is wide open.

Yeah we totally should have picked Rubio instead. He would know what to do in a pick and role.

 

[The Basketball Kings]

Yeah we totally should have picked Rubio instead. He would know what to do in a pick and role.

Who said anything about Rubio? All I'm saying is dude needs to learn how to pass and make some plays. Curry + Cousins would be deadly in the pick & ROLL. Not saying we should have taken him either, but Reke could learn a thing or two about passing from his draft-mate.

PS: How do you get "pick & roll" wrong when I spelled it right in the thing you quoted? SMH.

 

[sactownfan]

Spencer Hawes?!?!?! HA!

 

[Kingster]

Short answer: not remotely.

And your premise is flawed to -- aside from taking low percentage three point chucks, Cousins is at least as effective as Hawes from outside, and has to be guarded 18-20 feet from the hoop.

Sorry, but your premise is flawed. Dalembert is the one that was traded for Hawes, not Cousins. And Dalembert has gotten quite a bit of pt since the beginning of the season. Now if you want to say, going forward when Cousins is actually play 40 minutes with Tyreke, it could be a nice fit for Tyreke, fine. But that's not the case this year.

 

[Bricklayer]

Sorry, but your premise is flawed. Dalembert is the one that was traded for Hawes, not Cousins. And Dalembert has gotten quite a bit of pt since the beginning of the season. Now if you want to say, going forward when Cousins is actually play 40 minutes with Tyreke, it could be a nice fit for Tyreke, fine. But that's not the case this year.

Which part of "Cousins just isn't an outside threat and teams are just packing in the paint." did you not read?

Also as COusins has started more games and averaged more minutes than Dalembert, and is within 5 minutes fo Hawes' contributions last year, why would I/we be talking Dalembert in a thread who's premise is that Hawes' cointributions were not replaced and its hurting us?

 

[kingsboi]

I doubt Tyreke needed Spencer. Tyreke needed shooters who are somewhat reliable from three.

 

[nickmcclure]

I doubt Tyreke needed Spencer. Tyreke needed shooters who are somewhat reliable from three.