Did Anyone Hear the Ron-Ron Controversy?
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I see nothing wrong with calling out your teamates crappy D when you haven't held an opponent to less than 107 points in over 7 games. Someones gotta kick their butts into gear. These are grown men and if they can't handle constructive criticism then they shouldn't be playing a game where thousands of people criticize them every day.
I agree that going to the media isn't the best way, but why do people talk about basketball players like they're such sissies? In football they yell and get into eachothers faces in the locker room about eachothers play and its considered good leadership. In basketball you hear something about coaches or players getting into eachother and everyone starts whining about how much a cancer so and so is. If you can't handle someone lighting a fire under your you know what, then get out of the league and go bake cookies or something. These are grown men for gods sake. They can handle it.
I agree that going to the media isn't the best way, but why do people talk about basketball players like they're such sissies? In football they yell and get into eachothers faces in the locker room about eachothers play and its considered good leadership. In basketball you hear something about coaches or players getting into eachother and everyone starts whining about how much a cancer so and so is. If you can't handle someone lighting a fire under your you know what, then get out of the league and go bake cookies or something. These are grown men for gods sake. They can handle it.
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I don't think most of us are complaining about Ron's opinion of his teammates, he just should keep it in house. I'm sure his teammates could make plenty of criticisms of Ron's game, but I haven't heard any of them running him down to the press.
Furthermore, Ron's opinion is just Ron's opinion. The only one who's opinion of what players are doing or not doing, that matters, is the head coach's. Theus has called players out in the press. I think Ron says many of these things, becasue he's mad that Theus doen't do things the way Ron thinks things should be done. That is not a way to endear yourself to your coach. Neither is criticizing your teammates. It's almost a guaranteed way to ruin team chemistry.
Furthermore, Ron's opinion is just Ron's opinion. The only one who's opinion of what players are doing or not doing, that matters, is the head coach's. Theus has called players out in the press. I think Ron says many of these things, becasue he's mad that Theus doen't do things the way Ron thinks things should be done. That is not a way to endear yourself to your coach. Neither is criticizing your teammates. It's almost a guaranteed way to ruin team chemistry.
Or, in some cases, crap leadership which undermines the coach and hurts the team. That's why Chicago just unloaded Ben Wallace. Along with Adrian Griffin, he was said to have physically attacked another player (Noah) in the locker room because Noah still cared about winning, and the vets just wanted to coast.
Call it leadership if you want, but Chicago's management apparently thought it was more like cancer.
Ron's different. He wants to win a championship as self-appointed leader of this team, although any other team would do. And he's not going to be deterred by little things like the virtual impossibility of even finishing 9th. So not once, but twice in the last 5 days, he has whined about developing younger players, and how hard it is to tolerate their getting minutes.
Considering the shape the team is in, we might be better off with a Wallace.
Call it leadership if you want, but Chicago's management apparently thought it was more like cancer.
Ron's different. He wants to win a championship as self-appointed leader of this team, although any other team would do. And he's not going to be deterred by little things like the virtual impossibility of even finishing 9th. So not once, but twice in the last 5 days, he has whined about developing younger players, and how hard it is to tolerate their getting minutes.
Considering the shape the team is in, we might be better off with a Wallace.
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also Beno, Q, and Kmart are NOT the worst defenders on the team. Kevins off ball defense is horrid and one of the reasons why we give up so many 3's. But I hardly see anyone blow by him. Quincy is one of our better and more aggressive defenders, so I dont know what Ron was referring to there, and Beno is very solid on that end. He just stays in front of his man.
Brad is a pretty bad defender, as well as Mikki (at least on ball and he isn't intimidating coming off help. After that I would say AJ is horrid, because he isn't good at anything that this team needs, and Spencers D is terrible.
also Beno, Q, and Kmart are NOT the worst defenders on the team. Kevins off ball defense is horrid and one of the reasons why we give up so many 3's. But I hardly see anyone blow by him. Quincy is one of our better and more aggressive defenders, so I dont know what Ron was referring to there, and Beno is very solid on that end. He just stays in front of his man.
Brad is a pretty bad defender, as well as Mikki (at least on ball and he isn't intimidating coming off help. After that I would say AJ is horrid, because he isn't good at anything that this team needs, and Spencers D is terrible.
So, am I really the only one flashing back a couple of years to when Indiana started to discover the emperor had no clothes?
This isn't new stuff, folks. Artest has a record of doing this. And that's why, even though he can be as impressive as hell on the court, he just isn't worth the trouble.
Maybe he'll realize he's too good to be stuck in Sacramento and opt out after all.
This isn't new stuff, folks. Artest has a record of doing this. And that's why, even though he can be as impressive as hell on the court, he just isn't worth the trouble.
Maybe he'll realize he's too good to be stuck in Sacramento and opt out after all.
Quickly this topic about Ron has turned into a topic about chemistry. The claim is, Ron subtracts from cohesive chemistry during a 24 second period. I agree.
Let's keep in mind that he didn't get into the NBA by being a pass first defender, and to his credit, one heck of a defender. The problem actually begins where it ends. He made a name for himself as Big and Bad. And hasn't grown out of the mold. I admit that he may be a better today than he was at any other point in history, but the fact remains, multidimensional he is not. On the other hand, I cant knock him for being a stud on any given night, but he didn't get a call from Team USA, he wasn't an Allstar this year, and its been two years and counting since his last playoff game...Unless he gets back-to-back-to-back triple doubles, twice, I dont feel he has proven he wants to be a King. The kings are pass first! and always will be
Let's keep in mind that he didn't get into the NBA by being a pass first defender, and to his credit, one heck of a defender. The problem actually begins where it ends. He made a name for himself as Big and Bad. And hasn't grown out of the mold. I admit that he may be a better today than he was at any other point in history, but the fact remains, multidimensional he is not. On the other hand, I cant knock him for being a stud on any given night, but he didn't get a call from Team USA, he wasn't an Allstar this year, and its been two years and counting since his last playoff game...Unless he gets back-to-back-to-back triple doubles, twice, I dont feel he has proven he wants to be a King. The kings are pass first! and always will be
I believe that Ron Ron is a conflicted, complicated person. I think he always believes what he says when he says it, and many times is surprised at the outcome. He's like a small child thats always going to push the envelope of reason. And like a small child, needs to be reigned in and disciplined from time to time.
You'll notice that he's almost always contrite after an event. Careful to say the right things at that given moment. But like a child, he has a short memory and will start pushing again. The more leash he's given, the bolder he will become, and Wa La, he repeats a bad behavior. Taking care of a child is a lot of work, as I'm sure all you parents know. So the question is, is there a place for that type of mentality on a basketball team?
I personaly have been somewhat conflicted over this question. He can charm you to death sometimes with his personality and play on the floor. However, the fact thats he's the subject of this conservation is probably enough to convince me that he needs to go. I feel sorry for Reggie that in his first year as a head coach he's had to deal with such adversity. I wish him luck.
You'll notice that he's almost always contrite after an event. Careful to say the right things at that given moment. But like a child, he has a short memory and will start pushing again. The more leash he's given, the bolder he will become, and Wa La, he repeats a bad behavior. Taking care of a child is a lot of work, as I'm sure all you parents know. So the question is, is there a place for that type of mentality on a basketball team?
I personaly have been somewhat conflicted over this question. He can charm you to death sometimes with his personality and play on the floor. However, the fact thats he's the subject of this conservation is probably enough to convince me that he needs to go. I feel sorry for Reggie that in his first year as a head coach he's had to deal with such adversity. I wish him luck.
Why you guys think the Maloofs are trying to build this team up I will never understand.
They have been planning their exit strategy for a couple of years now.
They are waiting for a "better" city (LV if they can get it, but anything better than Sacramento would work).
Do you think they would have tolerated this pathetic team about five years ago, when they believed they could make it work here? Nowadays, they no longer believe this city is viable, THEY WANT OUT!
They have been planning their exit strategy for a couple of years now.
They are waiting for a "better" city (LV if they can get it, but anything better than Sacramento would work).
Do you think they would have tolerated this pathetic team about five years ago, when they believed they could make it work here? Nowadays, they no longer believe this city is viable, THEY WANT OUT!
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I'm going to concede that this city is no longer viable, without a new multi-purpose arena. And it is possible that the roster reflects the "moving on" mood of the Maloofs. Free agents will look at the Kings, and passover, but whats new about that? Especially if Ron comes back again.
Okay, im moving to the new arena thread
Okay, im moving to the new arena thread
Wow, you are brilliant! Nice original take. Funny that such an unoriginal take could be so far off. Malloofs would much rather keep the team in Sac. LV is no longer an option after the ref scandal and all other options make me laugh.
You were not even around here when Salmons was fined. I was happy with his and Moore's fines. Theus takes no sh*t and I respect him for that.
You were not even around here when Salmons was fined. I was happy with his and Moore's fines. Theus takes no sh*t and I respect him for that.
All I know is that I'm getting horrible flash backs to last season. The coach is getting questioned. The team is up-and-down. Martin's not getting enough offensive touches. The defense is shoddy.
The big difference, though, is that I really believe in Theus. And I think we have better pieces this season than last. Brad Miller is playing really good ball and I like the contributions from Beno and Mikki.
We need to support the team through this stretch of the season. There is a future for our team and I think Theus can bring it out of them. Stop riding Martin for being a "sucky" defensive player (have you seen the guy's build? do you really expect him to be a defensive specialist?). And stop jumping ten feet in the air whenever Artest says something in the papers. He's Artest, he's going to talk. We all know this.
The big difference, though, is that I really believe in Theus. And I think we have better pieces this season than last. Brad Miller is playing really good ball and I like the contributions from Beno and Mikki.
We need to support the team through this stretch of the season. There is a future for our team and I think Theus can bring it out of them. Stop riding Martin for being a "sucky" defensive player (have you seen the guy's build? do you really expect him to be a defensive specialist?). And stop jumping ten feet in the air whenever Artest says something in the papers. He's Artest, he's going to talk. We all know this.
Um...his build is precisely one fo the reason he SHOULD be a beter dfender. He is quick and intelligent on offense. Suddenly slow and stupid on defense? What is Bowen built like?
Kevin doesn't have to be a defensive stud. I will never ask or expect him to stop Bonzi Wells in the post. But he shouldn't be routinely beat by quickness or just carelessness. His build and offensive quickness are both great arguments why he should be better defensively, not arguments why he can't get it done.
Kevin doesn't have to be a defensive stud. I will never ask or expect him to stop Bonzi Wells in the post. But he shouldn't be routinely beat by quickness or just carelessness. His build and offensive quickness are both great arguments why he should be better defensively, not arguments why he can't get it done.