Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Nope.
Not buying it.
Cousins should have had 50 wins with these teammates.
Every year.
Well obviously his teammates all washed out of the league because Boogie failed to make them better at basketball!
DeMarcus Cousins' Past Teammates
- Thread starter lwc
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Well obviously his teammates all washed out of the league because Boogie failed to make them better at basketball!
He should've willed Jimmer to shoot the 3 a lot harder.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Its worse that that -- Cousins is such a powerful cancer that not only did he drain the life from HOFer after HOFer to pass through town, but his lingering cancerous effects ruined the rest of their career too.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
In fairness to Boogie, he appears to have actually tried doing that with Nik, only to hurt the poor guy's feelings and ruin him as an NBA player forever
King Baller
All-Star
Look at the Clippers. Even with Blake and DeAndre out the are competitive. Yes CP3 is great and he is the best cheater in the NBA and all that. But they still have a great guard line with Crawford (7th in 3's in NBA history) and Reddick (He was ballin last night). Then they have a front line of Pierce, Mbah a Moute and Aldrich. Then coming off the bench is Johnson , Rivers and Prigioni. Those are all good veteran players except for maybe Rivers whose Dad is the Coach.
The Kings did not have a cast like that in those 30 win seasons.
J
JoseCousins
Guest
Who did Hawks have? Who do raptors have? Dallas this year?
That's because most of their offense isn't created by Blake/DeAndre. Same thing when Howard was out for Houston. When CP3 went out Blake had to step up his game tremendously. But nonetheless, they are and have been far away from a team that wins more than 30 games, which is what I was expecting. I'm not talking deep playoff contender, I'm talking 35 games.
Also, I feel you actually brought up a good point with the Clippers' roster. How good was Redick before coming to the Clippers? Mbah a Moute? Aldrich, Austin frikin Rivers, Wesley Bust Johnson, Prigioni aren't exactly great players. But you have this idea that they are "good veteran players" precisely because they're on a good team with a good coach. Pierce is averaging 5.6 points for them, hardly great either. Therein lies my point that we can't just go "Where are these ex-Kings now?" to prove that they weren't good players. Austin Rivers would probably be falling out of the league if not for his dad bringing him in. Also, we should only consider rotation players that Cousins was playing with. Saying a guy like Tyler Honeycutt or Sim Bhullar are out of the league now hardly means anything when they weren't expected to play much to begin with.
What's your point?
Kings_on_the_RiSE
G-League
This is a good question. Grant Napear always talks about the Kings not being very good with or without cousins. But Cousins has never had any memorable teammates. It's baffling as to why Grant doesn't realize that, after calling games for so many years. I love Grant but he should stop this "Cousins is the scapegoat" mentality during rough stretches. I'm just glad Cousins is still sticking around considering he hasn't had complimentary players around him for all these years, until this year. Thank God for Vlade.
J
JoseCousins
Guest
If cuz is so dominant why don't other players want to play here w him? U think Shaq wouldn't draw FAs?
Section 101
All-Star
Rondo is here because of him.
ParniValjak
All-Star
THat is such a terrible list overall and the little bit of talented pieces we did get around him that made some soft of sense, we gave up for nothing. Great work Kings!
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
I'm sure the limited market also had a thing to do with Rondo's signing.
J
JoseCousins
Guest
lol! Seriously gave me a good laugh
lwc
Starter
THat is such a terrible list overall and the little bit of talented pieces we did get around him that made some soft of sense, we gave up for nothing. Great work Kings!
My thoughts exactly
rhythmless
Starter
Fans don't realize it. You should look back at the old threads. The supposed "knowledgable" fans would be in this forum swearing up and down that X player is really good and has all star potential blah blah blah. Just go back and look at all the ridiculous optimism for the players while they were here. It's silly.
Kings_on_the_RiSE
G-League
I'm sure the optimism was sky high. At least the fans have hope, even if they're delusional lol. I agree though, that the personnel was nothing to brag about all these years. It feels good to know we're finally turning this ship in the right direction.
True. Hindsight is always 20/20, but fans always tend to overrate their own players.
Chubbs
Starter
Except Rudy.
rhythmless
Starter
I think the point was that they took players that weren't very well regarded before the team and developed them in such a way as to make the players well regarded ON the team. Player development and role development was good. Versus us. We took a middling player and he either did nothing or regressed. We would take young kids with potential and they would not grow. We have a hand in it as well.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
In fairness to me, Donte Greene was outplaying Omri for a large portion of Omri's first stint on the team.
gunks
Hall of Famer
Competent coaching.
Boogie_Fever
G-League
The player development aspect of this organization is terrible. Of course most of that falls on the prior regime since this current one has only failed to develop one top prospect, Ben McLemore. Makes it even more amazing that Boogie is what he is despite all the sins this organization has commited.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
As I've mentioned I'm not even sure that's true.
I think the talent assessment/drafting of this franchise has been the terrible part. Not like our guys have gone elsewhere and blown up, at least since the Gerald Wallace days. We simply didn't draft anybody with any talent. Hence nothing to develop. Being broke and badly out of favor with agents, we could only sign middling near washed up vet FAs. A huge problem was that we did the same thing with the coaches. And to top it off our owners have been basketball ignoramuses that have pushed us to focus on the wrong things and play idiotic styles not suited to personnel.
kupman
Starter
Yeah, but other than that, things have been going pretty well.
As for talent evaluation: I don't think Petrie even wanted Cuz. Word was he kept leaning towards Monroe since he was more of a Princeton type. Maloofs might have talked him into the bigger name in Cousins to sell tickets faster. (Perhaps the one good Maloof thing during those years.)
During the tank years:
Good picks: Casspi, IT, Cuz, WCS
Okay-Solid Picks: Tyreke
Oops: Everything else
Omri and IT were lost due to clashes with coaches and GMs. Likely nearly lost Cuz to the same thing many times. So even when they get talent, they panic and throw it overboard.
During the tank years:
Good picks: Casspi, IT, Cuz, WCS
Okay-Solid Picks: Tyreke
Oops: Everything else
Omri and IT were lost due to clashes with coaches and GMs. Likely nearly lost Cuz to the same thing many times. So even when they get talent, they panic and throw it overboard.
lwc
Starter
I would argue that Tyreke was a good pick. Unless you are saying that it was a bad pick based on the fact that Curry, DeRozan, Holliday, and Jeff Teague were behind him. He is a career 17, 5, and 5 player.
