DeMarcus Cousins: 'I still don’t feel I get the respect I deserve'
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Siranthony
Starter
Everyone likes to post numbers. Could someone post Cousins numbers for the 10 games before the all star vote last year and the ten games after? No one is doubting that Cousins is tallented. My problem is his attitude and performance are inconsistent, and are dependant on all kinds of factors. Like his mood. Who he likes or doesn't. If he is getting his way or not. If he feels he has loyalty like a mob boss or something. Kevin Durant doesn't have those kind of problems.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Defensive coaches and great bigs have always gone hand in hand. Slowing the game down works better for both bigs and defensive coaches. Physical play works better for both. Punishing grind it out play works for both. And bigs typically have the largest defensive impact of any position as well, so again, there's a natural synergy to it.
Great PGs on the other hand typically thrive in uptempo offensive minded free flowing systems. Their gift is offensive, and the open court typically maximizes it (I say typically, because of the exception of a halfcourt mastermind like Stockton).
All of this again goes back to the rampant dumbassness of our owners and front offices over the years. You build around your franchise player. And depending on what position he plays, typically you build differently. Instead we've had a great center, a natural fit for a slower defensive system, and various front offices, coaches, and owners who have repeatedly, for their own various reasons, tried to force us into systems better suited for guard play.
Winning in the NBA is sometimes no more complex than a) grabbing all the dumbasses, giving them an atomic wedgie, and chucking them out the nearest third floor window; and b) now dumbass free, establishing synergy between coach/star/front office, with everybody on the same page and thinking the game the same way. We've actively fought against what we should be for the better part of a decade now.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Yes, KD doesn't worry about the loyalty component. He just leaves your mob fsmily to go join your biggest current rivals. Real stand up guy.
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Siranthony
Starter
Ya but he gave it all he could while there.
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KingMilz
Guest
Really so why couldn't he get the best out of Rondo and Jeff Green and without Crowder/Thomas the Celtics were equally garbage as our Kings? Crowder/Thomas were as big if not bigger reason as to why the Celtics are where they finished. The best player on the team is always the biggest reason why a team makes it as far as they do.....The Celtics fortunes turned around the moment they traded for those two and moving Thomas into a starting PG role.
The Hammer
All-Star
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Poor attempt, I'm sure you can do better.
CelticsFan
Bench
You are absolutely right KingMilz. Just because the Kings hired Joerger and signed guys like Temple, Tolliver and Affallo doesn't make the Kings a defensive team. Celtics have guys that play great defense and bring it every game. Guys like Bradley, Smart and Crowder would be very good defensive players with or without Stevens as their coach.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
did the season tip off already?
CelticsFan
Bench
I dont get it....But to answer your question October 25th is the start of the 2016-2017 NBA season
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KingsFan80
Guest
The season hasn't tipped off and thank god it hasn't. If it tipped off today we would not make the playoffs with this current roster.
I agree but do you really think that our roster is going to be upgraded before then? I just don't see how.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Your comment increases the respect I have for you.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Oh you get it alright, and so do we. Fan the flames of discontent about Cousins so maybe, just maybe, we'll trade him to your wonderful Celtics. One man's trash is another man's treasure, right?
CelticsFan
Bench
You got me Danny Ainge here. Hoping some how posting on this forum will trick the Kings into trading Cousins.
If I change my username would that make you more comfortable?
biltalent
Starter
Actually we don't have to make any drastical changes for the roster to be competitive. The only thing we need is a capable backup PG that can score a bit and fill in to start the season when Collison is out.
Just as an example, lets say we trade Mclemore for Devin Harris. Suddenly everything falls into place. Our starting lineup (except for the first games) then is: Collison-Afflalo-Gay-Wcs-Cousins. As other posters already pointed out this lineup can be excepted to be very good because we saw what a similar lineup did in 2014-2015. Our bench would be solid as well: Harris-Temple-Barnes-Casspi-Koufos. Gives us two bench scorers (Harris and Casspi) and three defenders (Temple, Barnes and Koufos).
With Joerger as the coach and if Collison doesnt miss too many games we should have no problem going .500. With a little luck we could flirt with the 8 seed.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I admire someone who does not hide.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I agree exactly with you. It is also possible a trade could make us a bit better but there should be no panic. I think people are forgetting the effect Karl had on this team.
I have compiled a list of players that also don't get the respect they think they deserve:
Every player in the NBA
Every player in the D-League
Every Player in the WNBA
Every player in Europe
Every College basketball player both men and Women
Every intramural college player
Every High school player both girls and boys
Every guy in my church league
Basically every basketball player......ever.
Is it normal for Cousins to feel this way? Yes. Is it a little silly for a player that is on the Olympic team, All-star team and all NBA team to be complaining that he doesn't get enough respect? Yes, yes it is.
He has shown that he is capable of maturing, he has matured both on and off the court. Is he as mature as he should be/could be? Um.....no and that won't happen for a while.
Every player in the NBA
Every player in the D-League
Every Player in the WNBA
Every player in Europe
Every College basketball player both men and Women
Every intramural college player
Every High school player both girls and boys
Every guy in my church league
Basically every basketball player......ever.
Is it normal for Cousins to feel this way? Yes. Is it a little silly for a player that is on the Olympic team, All-star team and all NBA team to be complaining that he doesn't get enough respect? Yes, yes it is.
He has shown that he is capable of maturing, he has matured both on and off the court. Is he as mature as he should be/could be? Um.....no and that won't happen for a while.
I think People are overstating the effect of Karl on the team because it gives them hope that they are a much better team than their record would indicate.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
You can't help yourself, can you? All Karl had to do is effect a few people like Boogie, Butler, Gay, etc. and it becomes a team wide problem.
Thanks
Dime Dropper
All-Star
I've noticed that Jazz fans are perhaps the most insecure in the league. You had your best season in years and still missed out on the playoffs in a wide open race, and as a result you have to tear down other teams to make yourself feel better. Your posting is right in line with what I've noticed from a lot of other Jazz fans on other NBA forums.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And the Celtics also had Kelly Olnyk, Jared Sullinger Isaiah Thomas and Evan Turner who don't play great defense and bring it on that end every night. Very few strong defense teams have 12 strong defensive players, and a part of the impact of that coach is getting everybody else to buy in, give what they can on that end, while designing a defensive system that maximizes his strong defenders.
At this point the Kings roster is fast approaching the sort of critical mass of defensively minded players to flat be a good defensive team. The remainder of the summer may determine if that just becomes a trend or flat becomes a defining trait, but Cousins, WCS, Koufos, Barnes, Tolliver (basically the entire frontcourt) have all been good defnders, or in WCS's case should be a great defender. Temple, and then dicier Afflalo (once very good, hasn't been trying as late -- classic case for a coach to have an impact) and Collison (considered solid to even good pre-Kings, with the ability to pick guys up fullcourt) have the potential for very reasonable backcourt defense. That's most of the rotation. Of the remaining guys Ben and Rudy (who actually tried harder last year while people weren't noticing) are on the block, and if either or both were traded for a disruptive on-ball defender you would have all the material needed to be a strong defensive team for a strong defensive coach. That would leave only Omri, who is nothing else if not scrappy, and two rookies (Richardson and Skal) who showed defensive potential in Vegas.
Defensive coaches absolutely bring that sort of personnel together into strong defensive units.
King Baller
All-Star
The comment RE: immune to criticism is what Brick has said. None of the losing is his responsibility per him. He has been a victim of circumstances, which to me is laughable. If Boogie didn't stink so bad in December and second half of January we could have competed for the 8th playoff spot. And I know I know he was hurt. Well why was he hurt? Because he was carrying too much weight that led to tendonitis in his feet. If he was more committed to off-season conditioning, his feet would have more able to absorb the pounding. Just call me Dr. Blob.
See my memory of last year is much different.
1) Boogie was part of Team USA last summer and was in incredible shape during their winning run and on into the regular season.
2) Coach Karl had his team run at such a high pace that many of us knew the result would be an injury for Cousins. Karl relied on Cousins heavily and ran him into the ground.
3) So Dr. Blob IMO you are completely wrong in your statement above in red.
By the way who is a player you do like? One you consider prepares for the game the right way and takes the right approach???
King Baller
All-Star
See I think IT had a great season but to me the best player on the Celtics is Avery Bradley. What Avery does when the other team has the ball along with the other Celtics defenders is what allows the wins to happen. This allows IT to do his Iverson impersonation and get away with it.
King Baller
All-Star
If I did not know better I would swear you are stumping for a Stevens & Cousins pairing??? Surely I am being swayed by all the political gerrymandering going on in the media
oh noooooooo. Oh man, my entire comment was taken out of context... I believe Stevens is a great coach, actually one of the best in the game right now. I admire the man for his coaching abilities. I think he's the main reason why the Celtics were even 3rd seed this year. That was the point of my comment lol.If I did not know better I would swear you are stumping for a Stevens & Cousins pairing??? Surely I am being swayed by all the political gerrymandering going on in the media
I was nowhere trying to disrespect Joerger or even trying to push some weird Cousins-to-Celtics idea. I just think Stevens is a great coach.
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