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As I suspected, the ususal suspects!!! :
Hawes only took 3 threes in college.
Cousins took 6!!!!!! p
As I suspected, the ususal suspects!!! :
Hawes only took 3 threes in college.
Cousins took 6!!!!!! p
*sigh*
I like you, Bajaden! I will therefore point out that he went 1-6 on threes in college, and 0-1 on threes in summer league. Having done that, I hereby return your life to you.
*sigh*
I like you, Bajaden! I will therefore point out that he went 1-6 on threes in college, and 0-1 on threes in summer league. Having done that, I hereby return your life to you.
There seems to be some question from some fans about where Cousins will spend most of his time on the floor. Under the basket or beyond the 3pt arc. I watched him play in the usual highschool players tournaments and over 20 games in college last year. And I'm sure that anyone that watched him play in college, knows that he spent almost all of his time in the post. The number of times I saw him take a jumpshot I could count on both hands. When he arrived at Kentucky he asked Calapari if he could play some shooting guard. Of course that didn't happen, but it does attest to his belief in skills that were seldom seen in college. He did show off his outlet pass, but only on occasion did you see the creative passing that he showed in summer league.
The bottom line is that he's very coachable and does whats asked of him. He knew he could shoot from the outside. He knew he had the ability to handle the ball, put the ball on the floor and take it to the basket. But he didn't do it because he was asked not to. Calapari didn't need him to do those things. He needed a big strong body under the basket and thats what Cousins did. Now I haven't looked up the stats, but I'd bet my life that he didn't take one three point shot in college. I'm sure those that don't like me are looking up those stats right now in hopes of collecting that bet.
I'm not a mind reader, so I have no idea of how the Kings are planning on using Cousins. But logic tells us that if they play Cousins and Dalembert together, which is a distinct possibility, that Cousins will probably be out at the high post. Similar to how Webb used to set up when playing with Vlade. Which means from time to time he'll be taking 15 to 19 foot jumpers when the shot is there. When Dalembert leaves the floor, I would expect Cousins to move to the low post. The point is that he's skilled enough to play either post position and be very effective. To reverse the positions and put Dalembert out on the high post would be insane. He simply has no skills out there. I could see Dalembert getting some easy baskets on assists from Cousins, when Cousins is in the high post.
The bottom line is, don't blame Cousins for where he positions himself on the floor. Blame the coaching staff! Because he has shown he'll do whats asked of him. I envision him becoming someone similar to Tim Duncan as to how he plays the game, but with better passing ability. Duncan can play high or low on offense, and is dangerous either way. Cousins said his favorite player is Pau Gasol as far as skill level goes. You don't see Pau taking many three point shots. I can appreciate the concerns, since we all still have the Hawes image burned into our brains. But Cousins is not Hawes. So lets just wait and see before we start wringing out hands.
If Cousins plays inside (where he should) then Dalembert is outside. That's nuts. And if Dalembert plays inside with Cousins outside, that's nuts too.
Probably an excellent reason to not play them both at once, don't you think?
There seems to be some question from some fans about where Cousins will spend most of his time on the floor. Under the basket or beyond the 3pt arc. I watched him play in the usual highschool players tournaments and over 20 games in college last year. And I'm sure that anyone that watched him play in college, knows that he spent almost all of his time in the post. The number of times I saw him take a jumpshot I could count on both hands. When he arrived at Kentucky he asked Calapari if he could play some shooting guard. Of course that didn't happen, but it does attest to his belief in skills that were seldom seen in college. He did show off his outlet pass, but only on occasion did you see the creative passing that he showed in summer league.
The bottom line is that he's very coachable and does whats asked of him. He knew he could shoot from the outside. He knew he had the ability to handle the ball, put the ball on the floor and take it to the basket. But he didn't do it because he was asked not to. Calapari didn't need him to do those things. He needed a big strong body under the basket and thats what Cousins did. Now I haven't looked up the stats, but I'd bet my life that he didn't take one three point shot in college. I'm sure those that don't like me are looking up those stats right now in hopes of collecting that bet.
I'm not a mind reader, so I have no idea of how the Kings are planning on using Cousins. But logic tells us that if they play Cousins and Dalembert together, which is a distinct possibility, that Cousins will probably be out at the high post. Similar to how Webb used to set up when playing with Vlade. Which means from time to time he'll be taking 15 to 19 foot jumpers when the shot is there. When Dalembert leaves the floor, I would expect Cousins to move to the low post. The point is that he's skilled enough to play either post position and be very effective. To reverse the positions and put Dalembert out on the high post would be insane. He simply has no skills out there. I could see Dalembert getting some easy baskets on assists from Cousins, when Cousins is in the high post.
The bottom line is, don't blame Cousins for where he positions himself on the floor. Blame the coaching staff! Because he has shown he'll do whats asked of him. I envision him becoming someone similar to Tim Duncan as to how he plays the game, but with better passing ability. Duncan can play high or low on offense, and is dangerous either way. Cousins said his favorite player is Pau Gasol as far as skill level goes. You don't see Pau taking many three point shots. I can appreciate the concerns, since we all still have the Hawes image burned into our brains. But Cousins is not Hawes. So lets just wait and see before we start wringing out hands.
Probably an excellent reason to not play them both at once, don't you think?
There seems to be some question from some fans about where Cousins will spend most of his time on the floor. Under the basket or beyond the 3pt arc. I watched him play in the usual highschool players tournaments and over 20 games in college last year. And I'm sure that anyone that watched him play in college, knows that he spent almost all of his time in the post. The number of times I saw him take a jumpshot I could count on both hands. When he arrived at Kentucky he asked Calapari if he could play some shooting guard. Of course that didn't happen, but it does attest to his belief in skills that were seldom seen in college. He did show off his outlet pass, but only on occasion did you see the creative passing that he showed in summer league.
The bottom line is that he's very coachable and does whats asked of him. He knew he could shoot from the outside. He knew he had the ability to handle the ball, put the ball on the floor and take it to the basket. But he didn't do it because he was asked not to. Calapari didn't need him to do those things. He needed a big strong body under the basket and thats what Cousins did. Now I haven't looked up the stats, but I'd bet my life that he didn't take one three point shot in college. I'm sure those that don't like me are looking up those stats right now in hopes of collecting that bet.
I'm not a mind reader, so I have no idea of how the Kings are planning on using Cousins. But logic tells us that if they play Cousins and Dalembert together, which is a distinct possibility, that Cousins will probably be out at the high post. Similar to how Webb used to set up when playing with Vlade. Which means from time to time he'll be taking 15 to 19 foot jumpers when the shot is there. When Dalembert leaves the floor, I would expect Cousins to move to the low post. The point is that he's skilled enough to play either post position and be very effective. To reverse the positions and put Dalembert out on the high post would be insane. He simply has no skills out there. I could see Dalembert getting some easy baskets on assists from Cousins, when Cousins is in the high post.
The bottom line is, don't blame Cousins for where he positions himself on the floor. Blame the coaching staff! Because he has shown he'll do whats asked of him. I envision him becoming someone similar to Tim Duncan as to how he plays the game, but with better passing ability. Duncan can play high or low on offense, and is dangerous either way. Cousins said his favorite player is Pau Gasol as far as skill level goes. You don't see Pau taking many three point shots. I can appreciate the concerns, since we all still have the Hawes image burned into our brains. But Cousins is not Hawes. So lets just wait and see before we start wringing out hands.
My point exactly!![]()
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This could be an acknowledgment of the defensive/shotblocking questions, but I also think its probably also a sign of the same immaturity that 75% of modern "bigs" have where they don't want to be bigs, they want to be all court forwards. Spencer had the same thing. Too much Sportscenter. Center, despite being the most important position on the floor, is seen as a trap where you don't get to show off your talents and screw around on the perimeter, rather than as an opportunity to anchor a team.
I know what Ronnie Lott would do. Come on Cuz, man up!
Kevin Garnett refused to be listed taller than 6'11 for years because he didn't want to be considered a center. This kind of thing just doesn't really make any difference most of the time.
This could be an acknowledgment of the defensive/shotblocking questions, but I also think its probably also a sign of the same immaturity that 75% of modern "bigs" have where they don't want to be bigs, they want to be all court forwards. Spencer had the same thing. Too much Sportscenter. Center, despite being the most important position on the floor, is seen as a trap where you don't get to show off your talents and screw around on the perimeter, rather than as an opportunity to anchor a team.
I agree.What I don't want to see is him turning into Rasheed Wallace, never crossing either three point line throughout an entire game, just waiting for kickouts and such. I'd like to see him spend the majority of his time with his back to the basket, where he can most effectively create for himself and others. And judging from the way he played in summer league and what he did on the game winning play, that's where he wants to be. Ran right down to the post possession after possession and went to work over and over again. Showed a wide assortment of shots, and when it was money time, went strong to the jump hook. I don't think we'll have to worry about his offense.
I agree.
But in fairness to Rasheed Wallace, I think we need to mention he did not play like that when he was younger and during that time the Detroit Pistons won the NBA FINALS against Shaq, Malone, Kobe, and Payton of the mighty Lakers.
What I would like to see in Cousins is sort of playing like the Rasheed Wallace of that great Pistons ( without the propencity to take 3-pointers of course. Cousins is not Hawes and we have had enough of the wussy play of Hawes. Fans don't need to see more of soggy waffle plays. ) Cousins needs to play inside and out according to what the situation calls for him to do offensively. Ala-Chris Webber. And if Dalembert plays awesome defense and rebounding like Ben Wallace of that Piston team, I wouldn't be surprized if we hover around the 7th or 8th playoff spot most of the season.
I guess the bottom line of what I like to see is our 2 best BIGS learning to play at the same time and with a lot of success. Our best defensive BIG playing long stretches alongside our best offensive BIG.
I agree to the bolded part above. And I think Cousins will play more of his inside game and this is what I meant when I stated Cousins needs to play inside and out according to what the situation calls for him to do offensively. Ala-Chris Webber.DeMarcus has to be MUCH more of an inside player than Chris Webber was. The single greatest knock on Webb other than the clutch play was how often he drifted outside despite apparently overwhelming interior potential. It worked for us in the Princeton, but was not ideal. And that was with a 6'9"250lb guy. Now make that a 6'11" 270lb beast, and he had better get his *** in the post and work inside, inside, and then maybe outside if and only if the other team has done something to stop him inside. Its obvious he will sprinkle in some jumpers, and that's all good as long as the meat and potatoes are taken care of. But if DeMarcus Cousins ever has a game where he shoots 15 jumpers and takes 5 shots inside that's an epic fail. He's going to be one of the biggest men in the NBA, and quite possibly the most offensively talented of all the really big ones. He needs to be watching game tapes of Hakeem not tapes of Sheed (who has to be one of the most overrated players in history).
DeMarcus has to be MUCH more of an inside player than Chris Webber was. The single greatest knock on Webb other than the clutch play was how often he drifted outside despite apparently overwhelming interior potential. It worked for us in the Princeton, but was not ideal. And that was with a 6'9"250lb guy. Now make that a 6'11" 270lb beast, and he had better get his *** in the post and work inside, inside, and then maybe outside if and only if the other team has done something to stop him inside. Its obvious he will sprinkle in some jumpers, and that's all good as long as the meat and potatoes are taken care of. But if DeMarcus Cousins ever has a game where he shoots 15 jumpers and takes 5 shots inside that's an epic fail. He's going to be one of the biggest men in the NBA, and quite possibly the most offensively talented of all the really big ones. He needs to be watching game tapes of Hakeem not tapes of Sheed (who has to be one of the most overrated players in history).
I do agree with the sentiment expressed above that a lot of that is on the coaches too. I made similar remarks about Hawes when he came in, and he turned into a complete wuss perhaps in part because his various coaches were a collection of weaklings and incompetents. But Hawes may very well have had a lot of wuss in him just by nature. He played that way in college, came right into the league talking rot about wanting to play like Brad Miller. Cousins by all rights should be a different beast. If the coaches (including his old high school coach) let him slide outside, get loose and slopppy and content to settle rather than working the post, in short let him be lazy and get the least out of his talent, then they should be chased out of town with pitchforks for having committed a crime against the game of basketball.
I like the attitude of Tara Reid (The Big Lebowski, American Pie).
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She said, "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist."
I don't have a problem with Cousins in the high post from time to time. What I don't want to see is him out beyond the arc. Webb played in the high post and I don't remember too many people complaining. As point out, you have to be out there to set screens and to run the pick and roll, which I can see Cousins and Tyreke eventually making a living off of. I would prefer not to see Dalembert and Cousins on the floor together, but if it happens, Cousins has to be the high post guy. Who knows? It may work better than we think. Thats what they have preseason for..
Last time I checked, Cousins wasn't a power forward (like Webber). And if he is Webber in some alternate reality, then who is Divac? I really can't even believe we're having this discussion about a 6'11 280 lb guy playing outside. You need him drawing fouls inside and demanding double teams inside so that by the 4th quarter he's imposing his will on the other team. That isn't going to happen with him shooting 20 footers. If that would happen, then I can assure you that the balance of power on fouls goes to the other team - Cousins ends up getting more fouls on him than he imposes on the other team.
I was responding to times when both Dalembert and Cousins were in the game together.
I'm guessing that a fair number of fans believe that this should not happen.
I'm guessing that a fair number of fans are going to be sorely disappointed, then. It will probably happen for a few minutes a game in most games
Yes, but I don't think anyone's very worried about that. When you'd see Bibby come out and Keon Clark go in, it didn't mean that Keon was going to be playing PG, it meant that Chris or Vlade was about to come out and BJax was about to come off the bench. You can play almost any lineup for less than 2 minutes.
As for whether it'll be used against particular opponents, I guess we'll see. I'm not at all sure whether Dally will still be with next year, or even until the trade deadline. I'll be happy if Cousins can play 35 minutes a night before Dally packs his bags, but he's never played a 35 minute game in his life. After watching summer league, I'm not going to be crushed if it takes him a year or two to get into that sort of shape.