DeMarcus Admitted to Hospital

VF21

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As far as Boogie's accolades go, or lack thereof, maybe the guy shouldn't have had his head up his ass his first 3.5 years in this league.

There's that too.
Yeah, because none of us ever did things in our youth we regret. Geez...
 
So you can whine about it or you can accept that it happened, and move on. It's not like we can change the fact that DMC got sick any more than we could change the fact that Webber collapsed in Dallas on that fateful day and was never the same afterwards.

Did it kill momentum? We don't know yet. We know it stalled momentum but who's to say what will happen when DMC returns to the court.
it killed it in terms of our upswing has plataued to insignificance. ive accepted it. In any case when DMC returns we will be fine but there are golden oppourtunities and to discount the fact that this one was one of them would be shortsighted and thats what this is about. There most likely will be a readjustment phase and boogie will have to get his legs and lungs back, we were espousing good habbits and a playing style and identity which i feel we may have lost/forgotten in boogies absence. Case in point, we are more talented than teams that have beaten us recently, we wound have won a few more games had we gotten to the point where our culture had set in but it hasnt, it takes time to set in a culture change and that summs up what we we're doing. We had passed the storming and norming phase and demarcus went down at the very time we were embracing and on the way to making it second nature which is unfortunate but it is what it is. I doubt demarcus comes back and we hit the ground running again. We may and that would be brilliant. Fans dont remember the losses and when we're winning everything will be fine but in terms of setting in good habbits and a winning culture, putting us on the nba map we lost significant momentum here and its been something we've been trying to do for the past 6 years. The fact we finally got some positive movement there after years of treding water is why a few here are tempremental at the moment. Its not whining. Theres a thought process and realisation.
 

Glenn

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So, are you saying we can infer from that, that Cousins won't ever injure his knee, or are you specifying that, just in the here and now, he's not injured?
I don't have a clue what you can't understand in what I wrote and I have no interest in trying to understand you. If you can't understand me, move on. I have no more.
 
Yeah, because none of us ever did things in our youth we regret. Geez...
I just don't like people acting like everything happens to Boogie, and he played no role in not making an all star team his first four seasons.

It's not reality.

He brought a lot of this on himself.
 

Glenn

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I just don't like people acting like everything happens to Boogie, and he played no role in not making an all star team his first four seasons.

It's not reality.

He brought a lot of this on himself.
If he has been under control from day one, he would have been an all star already I would think. Anyway, if he doesn't make it this year, I guess something bad is supposed to happen. I have not checked this forum since BEFORE the last game so I must have missed something.

I am happy enough to be able to watch Boogie play. I have never seen a guy with his size and skills. I can't even imagine that he hasn't maxed out on his skills 'cause what else can he do? Does he really have an upside? Maybe he will improve his passing. Maybe he will be a better shot blocker. I don't know but what we have simply has to be appreciated by Kings fans or you are missing a once in a several decade phenomena.

Viral meningitis will leave him with no permanent problem so as much as I wanted to stomp on all the teams in December, I'll wait for another year.
 
I just don't like people acting like everything happens to Boogie, and he played no role in not making an all star team his first four seasons.

It's not reality.

He brought a lot of this on himself.
Exactly and well said. Cousins created a lot of his own problems and dug his own hole. He's done a great job (starting last year) in starting to dig his reputation out of the hole but make no mistake he's the guy that dug the hole and created the perceptions about him.

It's one of the odd things about society now in that people no longer want to give credit to people that "do it right" from the beginning. As long as you do it right at some point, people want to instantly forget about your past but that's not how life works in any aspect. Reputations good or bad are built over time and it takes time to change them. A guy like Peyton Manning didn't build his stellar reputation as a teammate, professional, hard worker, and great human being in a matter of one season. It took a long body of work for him to earn that kind of praise and respect. As such DeMarcus Cousins isn't going to get the same treatment because he's behaved like an adult for one season.
 

VF21

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Exactly and well said. Cousins created a lot of his own problems and dug his own hole. He's done a great job (starting last year) in starting to dig his reputation out of the hole but make no mistake he's the guy that dug the hole and created the perceptions about him.

It's one of the odd things about society now in that people no longer want to give credit to people that "do it right" from the beginning. As long as you do it right at some point, people want to instantly forget about your past but that's not how life works in any aspect. Reputations good or bad are built over time and it takes time to change them. A guy like Peyton Manning didn't build his stellar reputation as a teammate, professional, hard worker, and great human being in a matter of one season. It took a long body of work for him to earn that kind of praise and respect. As such DeMarcus Cousins isn't going to get the same treatment because he's behaved like an adult for one season.
Not everybody is perfect their whole lives. DMC made mistakes, he's admitted it and he's doing everything he can to rehab his image and do what he and the team need him to do.

He didn't shoot anyone. He didn't beat his wife. He didn't abuse animals. He lost his cool ON THE COURT over game-related matters. I quite frankly couldn't possibly care less about what Peyton Manning did or didn't do. It's not about Peyton Manning.

You say people no longer want to give credit for people that "do it right". Nice straw man but that's not what it's about. What it's about is a young man learning from mistakes and making great strides towards being everything a lot of people knew he was capable of being. Can you give him rredit for that or is he forever going to be tagged for past actions? NOBODY I know is forgetting about his past but they're not making him lug it around like a giant weight the rest of his life.
 
He is doing all the right things, but it didn't really happen until last February/March or whenever it was he got his 15th technical. And then going into the summer and this season.

I just think there is still a legit chance he comes back this year, plays great, and gets us close to the playoffs. Or even in. All star team or not, that's a successful season.

There's a lot of basketball left. I'm not ready to waive the white flag just yet.
 
It should upset you too. It all ties together. Our profile, our chance at national games, fans, money, free agents, everything.
I wish I could "Like" this 100 times.

Most KF's are just not listening to the national perception.
It was clear as day during the TNT broadcast tonight, and I only caught the 2nd half -
"The Kings are fighting to get above .500"
"They're struggling without Demarcus"
"After a 5 and 1 start, they've fallen off the playoff pace and are now on the outside looking in."

The narrative has already changed back again, and Kings fans (and personnel that haven't proven ANYTHING to the league) aren't getting it.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
I wish I could "Like" this 100 times.

Most KF's are just not listening to the national perception.
It was clear as day during the TNT broadcast tonight, and I only caught the 2nd half -
"The Kings are fighting to get above .500"
"They're struggling without Demarcus"
"After a 5 and 1 start, they've fallen off the playoff pace and are now on the outside looking in."

The narrative has already changed back again, and Kings fans (and personnel that haven't proven ANYTHING to the league) aren't getting it.
I get it. What good does that do the team. As a mere fan, I obviously need someone's direction. What should I do? I suspect the narrative will change when Cousins gets back to full health. Is there something we all should be doing to prevent the doomsday scenario? I'm a fan that enjoys watching the Kings. I personally can't do much more and I wonder why some of continue to watch. You have free will.

I'm not suffering the way it is.
 
does anyone know when boogie is due back ? i hope to hell the team hasn't forgotten their early success and how to play together with him once he does return but as the dismal performances rack up and time goes on my biggest fear is that this is going to take awhile for us to work through as a team.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
I suspect that, by the time Cousins gets back, there'll be nothing left but a smoking crater where hope used to be.
That's possible. A lot of things can happen. I will live with whatever comes up. I'm getting old. I've been taken by ambulance to the hospital three times this year. I have a surgical procedure scheduled for late December. The point for ME is that there are far worse things in this world than what might, and I mean MIGHT, happen with the Kings.

I am going to enjoy what I can. I am going to stay from the people who seem to be wallowing in gloom and doom. I will ignore those who I can and for mods, I'll stay away as best I can. I have enjoyed sharing messages with you for a long time but will cut it off when it creates more misery than happiness. I want to enjoy the Kings. I don't enjoy most of this forum. When the time comes that this forum brings more misery than happiness, I will leave for awhile. Then you can have this misery with one less to cause dissonance. You don't have to get it, grok, it or have a minor understanding of my position. I will do what is best for me.

No month is that important to me and certainly no game is that important.

Boogie might be back next week unless someone knows more than I kmow, Maybe two weeks.
 
That's possible. A lot of things can happen. I will live with whatever comes up. I'm getting old. I've been taken by ambulance to the hospital three times this year. I have a surgical procedure scheduled for late December. The point for ME is that there are far worse things in this world than what might, and I mean MIGHT, happen with the Kings.

I am going to enjoy what I can. I am going to stay from the people who seem to be wallowing in gloom and doom. I will ignore those who I can and for mods, I'll stay away as best I can. I have enjoyed sharing messages with you for a long time but will cut it off when it creates more misery than happiness. I want to enjoy the Kings. I don't enjoy most of this forum. When the time comes that this forum brings more misery than happiness, I will leave for awhile. Then you can have this misery with one less to cause dissonance. You don't have to get it, grok, it or have a minor understanding of my position. I will do what is best for me.

No month is that important to me and certainly no game is that important.

Boogie might be back next week unless someone knows more than I kmow, Maybe two weeks.


Since Cousins is already back at practice with the team this week talking and just being around the routine again, I think he can probably start practicing within 1 week. Once he starts practicing, it can be as quick as 2 day but most likely they'll hold him for another week. So probably 2 weeks if everything goes well.
 
I wish I could "Like" this 100 times.

Most KF's are just not listening to the national perception.
It was clear as day during the TNT broadcast tonight, and I only caught the 2nd half -
"The Kings are fighting to get above .500"
"They're struggling without Demarcus"
"After a 5 and 1 start, they've fallen off the playoff pace and are now on the outside looking in."

The narrative has already changed back again, and Kings fans (and personnel that haven't proven ANYTHING to the league) aren't getting it.
For the love of god, we all get it.

Seriously, we really do.

What do you suggest we do about it? Cause where I'm sitting, it's completely beyond everyone's control.

I'm tired of this crap. How dumb do you think people are? You think we don't get the season is slipping away? You think it takes some sort of extensive training to realize missing your best player is not in fact good?

Tell me what to do bro.
 
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Mr. S£im Citrus

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For as long as the Kings are in Sacramento
I don't think you understand why I asked the question. You can exist without 'existing'; the Kings can continue to exist in Sacramento indeterminately, without ever again existing as a relevant team in the NBA. I am asking you what your value for 'existence' is, such that we should continue to have hope?

@Chubbs - INT ZUI bovers, and advise.
 
I don't think you understand why I asked the question. You can exist without 'existing'; the Kings can continue to exist in Sacramento indeterminately, without ever again existing as a relevant team in the NBA. I am asking you what your value for 'existence' is, such that we should continue to have hope?

@Chubbs - INT ZUI bovers, and advise.
Do you believe the next 2 weeks are the only chance the Kings have of salvaging any sort of relevancy in the league for the rest of time because it sounds to some people think the franchise should just fold if the next 2 weeks don't go well.

It is a ridiculous notion to assume the Kings won't ever be relevant in the league again. Is it possible? Yes of course, but still ridiculous. It took the franchise 15 years after moving to Sacramento to become relevant.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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I'm not convinced that it's that ridiculous. I think, statistically, there's a better chance of it all falling apart than there is that everything will be okay.

And you didn't answer the question.
 
DMC is just entering his prime which is why it's ridiculous.

My definition of existence is the time period in which Sacramento has a team.

I'm assuming by your comments that this is Sacramento's last chance at relevancy. Is that correct?
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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Well, I don't really think of Sacramento as a parameter, in particular. If you're a person who feels like, as long as the Kings are still in Sacramento, things just ain't that bad, we have no common ground to continue this conversation.
 
I never once said things weren't bad because they are in Sacramento.

I'm saying there is always hope as long as we have a team.

You on the other hand are saying the hopes of this franchise being relevant ever again hinge on the next two weeks.