Defensive Numbers-A Closer Look

[rainmaker]

Here's a statistical look at our defense since the lineup switch in the game at Det. Some numbers have been thrown out by members, I think Brick and Capt Fact, but I wanted to present a few more to show how worrisome that end has become. Plus, something to do while watching the tourney.

Opponents EFG% 14 games since lineup change
49.5 vs Det
39.9 vs Cle
61.7 vs Mia
54.2 vs Was
50.0 vs Uta
54.3 vs LAC
57.3 vs LAL
48.3 vs PHO
51.7 vs DEN
56.5 vs NOR
48.8 vs DAL
55.5 vs ATL
57.1 vs GS
62.8 vs. DET

League Ave=48.3
Only team we defended at an average rate was PHO, and above average was CLE.

Def. Eff.
115.2 vs Det
96.9 vs CLE
125.0 vs MIA
105.9 vs WAS
99.0 vs UTA
111.3 vs LAC
117.3 vs LAL
99.0 vs PHO
110.2 vs DEN
105.4 vs NOH
103.2 vs DAL
109.3 vs ATL
121.1 vs GS
129.2 vs DET

League average= 101.0, meaning anything above is below average. In the last 14 games, our defensive efficiency has been average or above average 3 times, against PHO, UTA and CLE.

Opp Points Same opponents, same order as above
114
93
120
107
96
108
115
96
119
98
97
106
115
124

Opp Pts per game ave=107.7
Only three other NBA teams give up over 100 per.
Was 102.3
Den 101.5
Cha 100.2

Pho, ranked #20 in the league, and known for not playing defense, gives up 97.6 per, a full 10 pts less per game than us.

Before the lineup change, we were giving up about 101.2 pts per game. Since, we're at 107.7, a full 6.5 pts per game more.

Something has to change.

 

[mac]

Here's a statistical look at our defense since the lineup switch in the game at Det. Some numbers have been thrown out by members, I think Brick and Capt Fact, but I wanted to present a few more to show how worrisome that end has become. Plus, something to do while watching the tourney.

Opponents EFG% 14 games since lineup change
49.5 vs Det
39.9 vs Cle
61.7 vs Mia
54.2 vs Was
50.0 vs Uta
54.3 vs LAC
57.3 vs LAL
48.3 vs PHO
51.7 vs DEN
56.5 vs NOR
48.8 vs DAL
55.5 vs ATL
57.1 vs GS
62.8 vs. DET

League Ave=48.3
Only team we defended at an average rate was PHO, and above average was CLE.

Def. Eff.
115.2 vs Det
96.9 vs CLE
125.0 vs MIA
105.9 vs WAS
99.0 vs UTA
111.3 vs LAC
117.3 vs LAL
99.0 vs PHO
110.2 vs DEN
105.4 vs NOH
103.2 vs DAL
109.3 vs ATL
121.1 vs GS
129.2 vs DET

League average= 101.0, meaning anything above is below average. In the last 14 games, our defensive efficiency has been average or above average 3 times, against PHO, UTA and CLE.

Opp Points Same opponents, same order as above
114
93
120
107
96
108
115
96
119
98
97
106
115
124

Opp Pts per game ave=107.7
Only three other NBA teams give up over 100 per.
Was 102.3
Den 101.5
Cha 100.2

Pho, ranked #20 in the league, and known for not playing defense, gives up 97.6 per, a full 10 pts less per game than us.

Something has to change.

ugh who cares bout defense? At least we don't have Tyreke pounding the ball for 23 seconds, and our assists are up! Isaiah Thomas is such a wonderful PG but Evans is horrible. That's all that matters - assists. And IT is giving us 20apg. It's not his fault that they don't count assists to himself.
As long as we look pretty I don't care that we're only winning 20plus percent of our games. Tyreke should be moved to C since he only knows how to layup. With one hand.

 

[xrzn]

Something has to change.

IT in the starting lineup and Reke starting at the SF spot.. and the small ball being played throughout the game. Plain and simple.

Not sure if you or anyone wants to take the time to find out our defensive numbers before the lineup but I'm positive it was a lot better than this. Weren't we even one of the better defensive teams?

 

[IfAt1st]

ugh who cares bout defense? At least we don't have Tyreke pounding the ball for 23 seconds, and our assists are up!

Whenever Tyreke pounds that ball like we've all seen (like at the end of quarters), it has gone bad for the Kings.
That's simple observation and memory.
I don't need a stat to tell me the Kings are horrid whenever Tyreke "runs the offense" like that.
It hasn't worked for almost 2 full seasons now.

Going back to that, as the only change, won't lead to anything better, since it has been proven time and time again not to.
What's that phrase about insanity and expecting different results?

 

[rainmaker]

IT in the starting lineup and Reke starting at the SF spot.. and the small ball being played throughout the game. Plain and simple.

Not sure if you or anyone wants to take the time to find out our defensive numbers before the lineup but I'm positive it was a lot better than this. Weren't we even one of the better defensive teams?

Just did. If my math is correct, 101 before, 107.7 since.

 

[rainmaker]

Whenever Tyreke pounds that ball like we've all seen (like at the end of quarters), it has gone bad for the Kings.
That's simple observation and memory.
I don't need a stat to tell me the Kings are horrid whenever Tyreke "runs the offense" like that.
It hasn't worked for almost 2 full seasons now.

Going back to that, as the only change, won't lead to anything better, since it has been proven time and time again not to.
What's that phrase about insanity and expecting different results?

Not sure it's been proven time and time again when it was under a different coaching staff with a different philosophy. Reke did show improvement as a point under Smart, and during that time we were winning at a higher % than since he went to SF.

 

[jpsls]

Has defense ever been a priority under Petrie's philosophy? It's why I was surprised we traded for Dalembert last season.

 

[ParniValjak]

Not sure it's been proven time and time again when it was under a different coaching staff with a different philosophy. Reke did show improvement as a point under Smart, and during that time we were winning at a higher % than since he went to SF.

And we were winning higher % during the tougher part of the schedule. Now when the schedule is easing up a bit, we are getting blowed out by ****ty teams.

 

[mac]

And we were winning higher % during the tougher part of the schedule. Now when the schedule is easing up a bit, we are getting blowed out by ****ty teams.

You don't get it do you, the Tyreke eexperiment is over because he will never improve. We know this because in 2 years under Westphal we didn't look pretty. Tyreke at age 22 is already declining. He has reached his peak. /sarcasm

 

[VF21]

Opp Points Same opponents, same order as above
114
93
120
107
96
108
115
96
119
98
97
106
115
124

Opp Pts per game ave=107.7
Only three other NBA teams give up over 100 per.
Was 102.3
Den 101.5
Cha 100.2

Pho, ranked #20 in the league, and known for not playing defense, gives up 97.6 per, a full 10 pts less per game than us.

Before the lineup change, we were giving up about 101.2 pts per game. Since, we're at 107.7, a full 6.5 pts per game more.

Something has to change.

Gotta agree. Of course, identifying that "something" is the tough part. Even I, the most optimistic of optimists, can't figure out why our team can't manage to find a way to at least stop some offense. I'd rather see all of them foul out every single game from at least trying to block the path through the lane instead of the matador defensive form they seem to have adopted lately. If those guys at the end of the bench aren't good for anything else, they're good for six fouls apiece. Insist that they use them!!!

 

[bluntsnbball]

look folks, theres nothing we can do. small ball will prevail for the rest of smarts tenure, and possibly petries. i dont need to see the stats to know how f-in awful our d is. I recommend you all handle this situation the way that i do; drink heavily, and pray that a mike brown type of defensive coach is available and that our front office will finally make the right decision in hiring him. im done yelling at my tv so im just gonna let the alcohol carry me on into draft day...

 

[VF21]

What's that phrase about insanity and expecting different results?

Reading some posts around here and expecting them to not contain a jab at Evans is insanity.

 

[kingsnation]

Gotta agree. Of course, identifying that "something" is the tough part.

Well, I think it's quite simple. We have to play 1,2,3,4,5 lineups. Not 1,1,1,2,3 lineups. :/

 

[kingsnation]

If those guys at the end of the bench aren't good for anything else, they're good for six fouls apiece. Insist that they use them!!!

And yes, I couldn't agree more with this! Let's start by getting some developmental minutes for Hassan and Honeycutt.

 

[pshn80]

Well, I think it's quite simple. We have to play 1,2,3,4,5 lineups. Not 1,1,1,2,3 lineups. :/

Well said. Also, reassess our players giving those who have demonstrated better defense to play no matter what their offensive capabilities are. If that works defensively then put a little more emphasis on scoring. It would be a pleasnt change and a more pleasant way to lose.

 

[Bricklayer]

Ah, glad/not suprised this was started. Had begun preparing stats for a very similar thread.

 

[Letsgokings13]

Ugh so bad

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Exit JT and Thomas, Insert Hayes and Cisco.

And I would still expect JT to play more minutes than Hayes overall, but Hayes needs to start on the opposing teams best big every night or signing him was pointless.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think the extra problem with this is its completely demoralizing and guys absolutely will quit and start freelancing if you allow it to continue. In fact they may already have. When you run an undisciplined system and don't win, its always a half step away from debacle. Its not only the fans who can slip into hopeless "**** this" mode.

 

[Tyndel]

Whenever Tyreke pounds that ball like we've all seen (like at the end of quarters), it has gone bad for the Kings.
That's simple observation and memory.
I don't need a stat to tell me the Kings are horrid whenever Tyreke "runs the offense" like that.
It hasn't worked for almost 2 full seasons now.

Going back to that, as the only change, won't lead to anything better, since it has been proven time and time again not to.
What's that phrase about insanity and expecting different results?

And Reke had a system in place all of 2 weeks of those 2 years and it was being implemented on the run.... The less "pure" point guard your 1 is, the better system you need and the more calls you need from the sideline until it becomes habit. WP called what 1 play from the side in 2 years without calling a timeout? When a player pounds the ball it indicates they aren't sure what to do or they are waiting for something. This is all easily fixed. When a player is trying to guard someone 40 lbs heavier and 5in taller they are going to be run over... This is less easy to fix....

That said there is still some experimenting that could take place and still leave us fairly normal sized. I think its funny Donte got a lot of flack last year for thinking he was going to be moved to PF and came into the season heavier, then this season he only sees time at the 4.

 

[rainmaker]

I think the extra problem with this is its completely demoralizing and guys absolutely will quit and start freelancing if you allow it to continue. In fact they may already have. When you run an undisciplined system and don't win, its always a half step away from debacle. Its not only the fans who can slip into hopeless "**** this" mode.

Tonight will be interesting. I expect them fired up given it's Boston. But later on when it gets tough and Bos clamps down, how much fight will our guys have? If IT is on Rondo that can set up a disaster as IT isn't shutting down Rondo's passing lanes. I saw a serious lack of effort the last two games and it did cross my mind that a few players aren't behind the coach anymore. Playing Bos might cover some of that as we get up for good games, but if it goes south those same problems might rear their head.