david lee trade

[=LarryLegend=]

4071172 realgm.com trade code. trade works!!!

David Lee
Malik Rose
4
Ron Artest

do it petrie!!!! handle it

malik only has 1 more year left, lee has 1 left with team opt for 2nd.


10pts/10 boards would be nice to see jwill and lee on court, or hawes/lee.

i would start lee at 4.

 

[PurpleHaze]

We have a long thread going on this exact topic in Kings Rap. Unfortunately, it looks like the Knicks are salivating over getting Artest, but are not salivating over having to give up Lee as part of any deal. As they say, stay tuned.

 

[SacKings384]

So then we have...

David lee
Spencer Hawes
Malik Rose
Kenny Thomas
Shareef
Justin Williams...

None of which can play anything besides PF or C

 

[=LarryLegend=]

lol what you want swing men....is your name geoff petrie????

kenny thomas can play sf.

we need pfs and centers buddy.....do you know the kings?? or are you looking to have a guard play the 1,2,3,4,5??????????

 

[SacKings384]

lol what you want swing men....is your name geoff petrie????

kenny thomas can play sf.

we need pfs and centers buddy.....do you know the kings?? or are you looking to have a guard play the 1,2,3,4,5??????????

No, but I am looking at getting someone who can play rather than rot on the bench. Malik Rose will rot on the bench, meaning we are trading David Lee for Ron Artest straight up. Which, if you just want rid of Artest isn't so bad. But we'd still have 6 big men, only two of which can do anything on the defensive end (Williams and Lee) but Williams is offensively challenged, and Lee isn't so hot on O either. I'm just saying, all 6 of those guys sans Malik Rose will want significant playing time, and will need significant playing time to be effective. Unfortunately, with 6 guys and only 2 spots, that just won't be happening.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

malik will make 7.6 million almost ron artest contract but, its expires after this year. so we will have cap room. and we get a young BEAST. David lee is very eff. on offense very. healthy 10.5 and 10 boards off bench. make him your starter. he would be perfect. hes pretty athletic, more the any current pfs kings have.

 

[Entity]

No, but I am looking at getting someone who can play rather than rot on the bench. Malik Rose will rot on the bench, meaning we are trading David Lee for Ron Artest straight up. Which, if you just want rid of Artest isn't so bad. But we'd still have 6 big men, only two of which can do anything on the defensive end (Williams and Lee) but Williams is offensively challenged, and Lee isn't so hot on O either. I'm just saying, all 6 of those guys sans Malik Rose will want significant playing time, and will need significant playing time to be effective. Unfortunately, with 6 guys and only 2 spots, that just won't be happening.

We had 6 last year.

Corlis,Kt,SAR,Miller,Potapenko,and Williams with Mo Taylor before Justin
we usually have 6 at the 4/5 and 7 for the 1-2-3 spots. especially with the versatiliaty of Garcia and Salmons that can play all 3 in spots.

Bibby/Salmons/Price
Martin/Salmons/Douby
Garcia/Salmons
Lee/KT/SAR/Williams
Miller/Hawes/Rose/Williams

thats a 13 man roster we could use 1 more 2/3 guy to fall behind Salmons maybe a camp invitee if he works out or a LLE free agent pick up just in case giving us a 14 man roster with that guy not dressed until needed. May need 1 more undressed I am not sure that could be Rose or whomever isn't up to par.

 

[VF21]

4071172 realgm.com trade code. trade works!!!

David Lee
Malik Rose
4
Ron Artest

do it petrie!!!! handle it

malik only has 1 more year left, lee has 1 left with team opt for 2nd.


10pts/10 boards would be nice to see jwill and lee on court, or hawes/lee.

i would start lee at 4.

Okay... Expand this. Explain logically WHY the Kings would do it... and WHY the Knicks would do it. Not why you want it, but why you think it's possible. Go the extra distance...

 

[vfettke]

here you go VF

Sac does this because: we get rid of Artest. we get David Lee, who averaged a double double off the bench. he's a young big who would be great to have. we also get Rose's expiring. essentially, our big man rotation could be any combo of Miller, Hawes, Lee, and Williams. 3 really good youngsters, and one big oaf

Sac doesn't do this: another useless "big" with a crap contract. at least this one's gone after this season. we don't get rid of any of our bad contracts

NY does it: Isaiah loves Artest. Artest might actually behave in New York. their starting 5 becomes Marbury, whoever their SG is, Artest, Randolph, Curry, which is pretty scary...

NY doesn't do this:...but its also scary in the sense that someone on this team might shoot someone else on this team. they also have to give up Lee, who is a fan favorite as well as a great player. they might not want to give up Lee, as well as an expiring. but Isaiah might think its worth it for Artest. And before I forget, the last reason the Knicks don't do it... Artest is nuts

 

[fnordius]

I'd be in favor of the trade, but that's asking NY to give up their equivalent of Kevin Martin -- sacrificing their future for a year or two of Ron Artest (assuming he doesn't get suspended/banned first).

As for the lineup, IF the Knicks were so inclined,

1.Bibby/Price?/Douby
2.Martin/Salmons/Douby
3.Garcia/Salmons/Williamson???
4.Lee/Williams?/SAR
5.Miller/Hawes/Williams?

...plus 1-6 pine riders.

There's nothing we can do to make KT or SAR more useful than they are, and it would be a really sad thing to resign ourselves to no rebounding until 2011 just because they both have long contracts. Malik Rose isn't useful as a player, but he is very useful as an ender.

I doubt that NY would go for it, though.

 

[VF21]

here you go VF

Sac does this because: we get rid of Artest. we get David Lee, who averaged a double double off the bench. he's a young big who would be great to have. we also get Rose's expiring. essentially, our big man rotation could be any combo of Miller, Hawes, Lee, and Williams. 3 really good youngsters, and one big oaf

Sac doesn't do this: another useless "big" with a crap contract. at least this one's gone after this season. we don't get rid of any of our bad contracts

NY does it: Isaiah loves Artest. Artest might actually behave in New York. their starting 5 becomes Marbury, whoever their SG is, Artest, Randolph, Curry, which is pretty scary...

NY doesn't do this:...but its also scary in the sense that someone on this team might shoot someone else on this team. they also have to give up Lee, who is a fan favorite as well as a great player. they might not want to give up Lee, as well as an expiring. but Isaiah might think its worth it for Artest. And before I forget, the last reason the Knicks don't do it... Artest is nuts

Thanks, but my point to the OP was people who continually post trade proposal after trade proposal are - IMHO - like the infinite number of monkeys sitting at the infinite number of tripewriters. Let's try for quality and not quantity on some of this stuff if people really want good discussion.

And it's not like the OP was the first to come up with this since there are at least 3-4 threads already discussing pretty much the same thing in this forum and the main Kings area.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

one big reason knicks would do this is the GM and coach is one who is familiar w/ artest since coaching him while he was w/ the pacers. he knows what hes getting into. isiah also loves to wheel and deal. adding artest would give them a formidable starting 5.. but the drawback that i see is, there wouldn't be enough balls to go around! marbury.. ball hog, artest.. loves to dribble the ball... randolph & curry need the ball to make things happen in the low post..

 

[=LarryLegend=]

VF21 i already stated in the post why. cap relief. you were crying that people dont look at contracts. I did. I said why i think it would be good. what more do you need?

 

[=LarryLegend=]

artest i think would be so excited to go to a big city, which he is from. he will atleast the first year be a good boy. plus NY defense is garbage, artest could help jared jefferies, since he is their best defender curretly. i thomas said he likes artest and is going to make moves. artest is still a great player, once defensive player of year, you got to give something in return.

balkman also might be nice. if it was lee/malik or balkman/malik.

david lee i do think i thomas would give up, just need to be alittle pushy.

we need the gangster cut throat petrie not the maloof puppet.

 

[Gary]

I don't want to make something of nothing but....



"psssst.... Do you remember when David Lee was a freshman at Florida and only averaged 13.3ppg, and 6.8rpg?"

I had to inject some humor. This guy is a monster rebounder. He didn't rebound very well his freshman year Did much better his soph year though.

 

[VF21]

artest i think would be so excited to go to a big city, which he is from. he will atleast the first year be a good boy. plus NY defense is garbage, artest could help jared jefferies, since he is their best defender curretly. i thomas said he likes artest and is going to make moves. artest is still a great player, once defensive player of year, you got to give something in return.

balkman also might be nice. if it was lee/malik or balkman/malik.

david lee i do think i thomas would give up, just need to be alittle pushy.

we need the gangster cut throat petrie not the maloof puppet.

Now this is what I'm talking about, LL! Nice addition...

Thank you.

 

[Gary]

artest i think would be so excited to go to a big city, which he is from. he will atleast the first year be a good boy. plus NY defense is garbage, artest could help jared jefferies, since he is their best defender curretly. i thomas said he likes artest and is going to make moves. artest is still a great player, once defensive player of year, you got to give something in return.

balkman also might be nice. if it was lee/malik or balkman/malik.

david lee i do think i thomas would give up, just need to be alittle pushy.

we need the gangster cut throat petrie not the maloof puppet.

I actually like Balkman. He has some decent moves. I don't think they will ever give up Lee though. Of the games he actually started last year he grabbed something like 14 boards a game. Pretty wicked.

 

[NYKingsfan]

As a Kings fan in NY I can tell you that David Lee is the real deal. A monster on the boards..max effort guy. An emerging offensive game, although he didn't see the ball that much with the cast of characters on the Knicks.

Some reasons why this deal makes sense...

1. Artest from NY...relationship with Isaih from Indiana days

2. Knick front court woefully weak defensivesly with Curry and Randolph. Knicks need Artest in front court for his defense.

3. While Knicks may be reluctant to part with Lee, they now have Randolph at power forward. Lee's minutes would be reduced and his role minimized. A less important player on their team.

4. Balkman can be their energy guy if Lee goes.

5. Isaih under tremendous pressure to make things happem in NY. He will make a deal because he has to take a shot at something. He is not a good GM. GP can get over on him here. Maybe Lee, expiring contract and a future 1 or Mardy Collins. Isaih can be had here.

6. From King point of view no explanation really required. Lee a monster..Artest a cancer

 

[SacKings384]

We had 6 last year.

Corlis,Kt,SAR,Miller,Potapenko,and Williams with Mo Taylor before Justin
we usually have 6 at the 4/5 and 7 for the 1-2-3 spots. especially with the versatiliaty of Garcia and Salmons that can play all 3 in spots.
.

And of those 6, how many actually got significant playing time? Mo Taylor? Nope... Williams? Nope... Potapenko? Nope... Corliss eventually, but even he dropped significantly when Brad, KT, and Reef were all healthy. Of these 6, only Rose doesn't need significant playing time, because Reef, Kenny, and Brad would NOT be happy rotting on the bench. It would do us no good to have Hawes rotting on the bench. I would like to see J Williams get some PT... And obviously we wouldn't just trade Ron Artest for our best rebounder in David Lee for him to rot on the bench either.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

Thank You VF21, sorry if I was a lil anal. I can really see this happening. it would be perfect. Kings need a beast. David Lee is on his way there. Kinda like a white rodman on the boards. and I honestly do like Lee and hawes as starting lineup.

Bibby/Mustafa
K$/douby
Garcia/salmons
Lee/Jwill/SAR/K9/malik
Hawes/Brad

Mustafa<<<<Ron Price 7 assist anywhere is nice. be it high school,ncaa,nba europe. we dont need a shooting point we need a pass first point.

he is kinda turn over prone but...hes young.

 

[ParniValjak]

First of all Rose is NOT an expiring deal. He has 2 years left on his contract. His contract expires in the summer of 2009.

Secondly, we shouldn't take ANY bad contract in this deal. We are the ones that should be sending out bad contracts.

Finally, this deal down right sucks unless we get New York's 1st round pick!

 

[=LarryLegend=]

whats a better deal then?

 

[Kingster]

Anyone trading for the nutcase Artest would have to be, well,....NUTS!

Does Thomas qualify?

 

[Entity]

Anyone trading for the nutcase Artest would have to be, well,....NUTS!

Does Thomas qualify?

yeah who would want 1 of the best perimeter defenders in the league. that averaged almost 19pts 7reb 4ast and 2stls per game. That would suck to have on your team. nutcase? maybe. great basketball player? (which IS what we are talking about) definatley!!!

 

[LPKingsFan]

First of all Rose is NOT an expiring deal. He has 2 years left on his contract. His contract expires in the summer of 2009.

Secondly, we shouldn't take ANY bad contract in this deal. We are the ones that should be sending out bad contracts.

Finally, this deal down right sucks unless we get New York's 1st round pick!

Look, Lee makes only like 1 million a year, so we'd essentially have to take on a contract to make it work. And since the deal would be based around Lee for Artest, which I'd be all in favor of, it's the only real way.

 

[ParniValjak]

yeah who would want 1 of the best perimeter defenders in the league. that averaged almost 19pts 7reb 4ast and 2stls per game. That would suck to have on your team. nutcase? maybe. great basketball player? (which IS what we are talking about) definatley!!!

Sure but you are making it sound that his off-court stuff is not affecting his value but the fact is it does. It wouldn't be too much of a problem if it was a once off thing but this guy has a reputations and everywhere he has gone, he has done at least one thing that has raised the eyebrows from those in charge.

No one doubts his basketball talent but there comes a time where people say enough is enough and are not prepared to take on that baggage. Fact is, if Artest didn't have the off-court issues and was a model citizen, we wouldn't be shopping him around. We would be looking at ways of keeping him and building around him and Martin.

If off-court issues are not as important as you make them out to be, then a lot of trouble makers over the years would have stuck around and made careers out of their talent. JR Rider springs to mind

 

[ParniValjak]

Look, Lee makes only like 1 million a year, so we'd essentially have to take on a contract to make it work. And since the deal would be based around Lee for Artest, which I'd be all in favor of, it's the only real way.

Unless you involve a 3rd or 4th team that has an expiring contract to send our way for a player from Knicks that fills their need.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Unless you involve a 3rd or 4th team that has an expiring contract to send our way for a player from Knicks that fills their need.

Sending one of the Knicks' swingmen to the Jazz with Giriceck's expiring coming to the Kings is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head. Any ideas?

 

[kyo2002]

The wife beating case dropped Artest's value to rock bottom from the looks of things, but I'm not high on Lee and Rose. Rose is another bad contract and Lee reminds me somewhat of Williams add or take some. I know everyone here is frontcourt deprived but I would rather just see what Williams can do.

 

[Dime Dropper]

The wife beating case dropped Artest's value to rock bottom from the looks of things, but I'm not high on Lee and Rose. Rose is another bad contract and Lee reminds me somewhat of Williams add or take some. I know everyone here is frontcourt deprived but I would rather just see what Williams can do.

Artest did not beat his wife.


I don't think Williams will ever be as good as Lee. Williams is more athletic and maybe a better defender. Lee has a better offensive game, is a better rebounder and a better energy guy. I don't want Lee because we're a bad rebounding team, I want Lee because he'll be a good future piece for us. People need to stop looking at our needs for now, they're irrelevant if we are trying to rebuild, unless we want to stay mediocre.