Darrell Arthur #12?

[dmj]

Sorry for the three posts but this is my own opinion on the bigs we have tried out.. I would rather just go with a project if we cannot get a talented big. Speights or "ahem" McGee. They at least give us what we need in the rebounding department. Both have a nice looking offensive game, and both are athletic. The hell with a defensive 6'7 PF who cannot rebound. The hell with another SF.

Arthur's height is not as big of an issue as people think.

What matters for a big man like Arthur is his standing reach and his vertical. Arthur's standing reach is 8'11", which is as good as Al Horford's and about average for a PF.

Add to that his vertical leap (which I guarantee you is better than what was measured at the combine, no way he only jumps as high as Hawes) and you have a player who, like Tyrus Thomas, is able to play taller than his actual height.

 

[beb0p]

A lot of the mock drafts I've seen, they have us getting Anthony Randolph. Evidently some of them think he is actually a top 5 player in this draft and is compared to Bosh.

What da ya know, there's also a Grizz workout footage showing Randolph and Aurthur. Though it doesn't show much.

Randolph looks very athletic with good handle and vision. But please somebody starts feeding this kid.

http://www.grizzblogs.com/index.php?/draft08/video/player_workout_6_16_08/

 

[BMiller52]

What da ya know, there's also a Grizz workout footage showing Randolph and Aurthur. Though it doesn't show much.

Randolph looks very athletic with good handle and vision. But please somebody starts feeding this kid.

http://www.grizzblogs.com/index.php?/draft08/video/player_workout_6_16_08/

ROFL Ouch.

 

[JerN820]

What da ya know, there's also a Grizz workout footage showing Randolph and Aurthur. Though it doesn't show much.

Randolph looks very athletic with good handle and vision. But please somebody starts feeding this kid.

http://www.grizzblogs.com/index.php?/draft08/video/player_workout_6_16_08/

It may not be much, but it keeps us wanting to see more. haha props!

 

[beb0p]

Wait a sec guys, the Pacers' official web site listed Darrell Arthur as one of the players worked out for them yesterday. They even did a video interview with him.

If Petrie has given Arthur a promise, why is he trying to impress Larry Bird?

I'm so not buying that GP promise now.

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/draft_central_2008.html

 

[Jerichoholic]

DeAndre's is a baller... Friggin gets up for the dunk amazingly well.. VERY fast off his feet. Thanks for posting .. It's a great video.

Just another reason why Kevin Love will not fall to the 12th spot..

The Kings better plan on bringing Jordan in for a workout or Petrie is not giving his due diligence. That kid is going to be great with the proper coaching.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I like McGee, but it's either feast or famine, boom or bust, with him. He does have those extraordinary athletic traits that few possess in this league, then again, people said that about Patrick O'Bryant, who also possessed a monster wingspan and solid mobility for a guy his size. The Lakers have obviously panned out drafting the so-called project big man in Andrew Bynum, but for McGee--he's just super raw. Gets pushed off the blocks because he's a slinky, and lacks any sort of defensive fundamentals. He definitely won't contribute right away, and it's going to fall on his work ethic, ability to adapt and the right environment for him. I don't even think we're the right environment for him--with Hawes, Brad Miller, Shelden Williams and the possible return of Reef, I don't think he'll thrive at all sitting his pine on the bench doing nothing. I sense more Patrick O'Bryant than Andrew Bynum in him, and there's a reason he's slip-sliding into the mid-1st rather than the lottery.

Arthur, I've already expressed my opinions in other threads; the guy is a mid-1st rounder in talent, and seems to me to be quite underachieving in many respects. I agree with nbrans' opinion; 6'9" good but not great athletes for the PF position are not really ideal in today's NBA. Alexander, I love his feel-good story and his combination of work ethic/athleticism but let's face it, our team is laden with wing players and Alexander's no PF, albeit a minor tweener.

Westbrook to me is the only real option, although he's probably gone by then. Hopefully a guy falls down the draft and we swoop to pick him up.

 

[Henkel]

Sorry for the three posts but this is my own opinion on the bigs we have tried out.. I would rather just go with a project if we cannot get a talented big. Speights or "ahem" McGee. They at least give us what we need in the rebounding department. Both have a nice looking offensive game, and both are athletic. The hell with a defensive 6'7 PF who cannot rebound. The hell with another SF.

EDIT for NBRANS: - IF FOR SOME REASON WESTBROOK IS AVAILABLE THOUGH I WOULD TAKE HIM OVER ANY PROJECT BIG-

BUT if Westbrook is available when we pick I would rather have him. He's probably going to be off the board though. He played amazingly when Collison was out. I cannot believe some of the stuff I am reading about him how he's not a PG. Did these people watch him when he was running the team at the beginning of the year? Did these people realize they played an offense similar to the Kings of 2002? How they bring the ball up, and pass off to the big (Love) who passes to a slicer. His assist numbers reminds me a lot of Bibby when he first joined the Kings.

I want more out of a point guard then someone who can bring the ball up the court and pass the ball into the high or low post. You are right that a floor general isn't always a necessary component on great offensive team, the 2002 kings are a good example of this, But those great Kings teams and most teams that don't rely on a great point guard have another play maker in the back court. Those Kings teams had a great ball handler and play maker in Doug Christie and two great passing big men, which allowed Bibby to play off the ball where he like Westbrook is most effective as a scorer. Kevin Martin is not a play maker he isn't even someone you want initiating your offense. Brad is a very good passer for a big man but his days in Sacramento are numbered and although Hawes has shown good potential as a passer it's unknow whether he will become one of those rare big men you can run a offense through. I think this King's team and especially Kevin Martin would best severed by having a player who can run a half court offense, which is something i don't think Westbrook is capable of. If the King's get to choose between Westbrook and a player with better point guard skills like Augustin i hope they would choose the latter.

Even though i don't see Westbrook as a true point guard i agree he is better prospect then Arthur or McGee. Westbrook is capable of being a elite defender, he does have good passing ability and nice looking jump shot along with great athleticism. I don't want him running my team but he could be a great 6th man kind of player. Antonio Daniels with better defense perhaps.

Darrell Arthur low post game is average at best. He is a very good athlete but he doesn't use it effectively as a low post player or as a rebounder. He can run the floor and hit that mid range jumper but that isn't enough to become more then a average role player.

I might be on a island all by my self but give me Roy Hibbert over Arthur, McGee, Speights, or Koufos. like Westbrook I'm not sure if Hibbert fits in perfectly with this roster but i think he is a better player then the other big men available.

 

[dmj]

I might be on a island all by my self but give me Roy Hibbert over Arthur, McGee, Speights, or Koufos. like Westbrook I'm not sure if Hibbert fits in perfectly with this roster but i think he is a better player then the other big men available.

I agree with you on this one, to an extent. Hibbert was considered a top 10 selection last year, and the only thing that has really dropped him in the mocks was the fact that he didn't seem to improve much this year.

Still, the guy has had great games everytime he has matched up against another strong center or front court.

vs. UCONN w/ Hasheem Thabeet he had 20 and 8 while Thabeet only had 7 pts.

vs. Ohio State w/ Oden he had 19 and 6, despite foul trouble.

vs. NC w/ Hansborough and Wright he had 14, 11, and 6 blocks.

vs. Pitt w/ Aaron Gray he had 18 and 11 while holding gray to 1-13 shooting.

I think he could help out our front court defense and rebounding significantly. The biggest problem with him is his lack of athleticism, though he has reportedly slimmed down a bit and looks more athletic.

The real problem, as I see it, is that we justed drafted Hawes, and a Hibbert/Hawes front court would get decimated going up against an athletic front court such as Aldridge/Oden or Gasol/Bynum.

So while I like Hibbert and wouldn't be against picking up another pick to get him, I'd much rather take a chance with guys like Arthur or Speights who fill a position of need.

 

[steelevt]

might be alil off topic. but it was brought up that since a player was supposed to go real high in last years draft but fell the following draft, the player must be a steal. last year i felt the same way about joakim noah. many felt was supposed to be a top 5 draft but he decided to stay in school. the next year, his stock dropped and many including me thought it would be great to get a player that woulda went so high the previous year. now that i look back on it, there was a reason why he dropped...so im a little cautious about that reasoning when i look at hibbert.

 

[Dime Dropper]

For me, Alexander has proven his desire and his ability to carry a team. At worse you get an Eric Williams type player.

Batum is a role player trapped in a superstar's body. He's decent at some things but good at nothing. At worse he's DeMarr Johnson.

What an uneducated post. Would you care to explain your comments about Batum? Role player trapped in superstars body? How the hell does that work? The guy is 19 years old, you talk as if he's done all his developing. Are you judging him because he's European, or because he doesn't have big stats? I honestly can't get over some of the comments made by people here. Did you watch the u19 WCs? If so, you would have seen that Batum is not only better than "decent at some things", he's actually good at quite alot of things.

With his size, length and athleticism, along with his good skill set the kid has the potential to be a special player. He's very similar to Rudy Gay.


Personally I don't know why he's fallen so much. It might be seen as a reach at 12, but I'd be 100% fine if we took him there.

Some videos showing his skill and athleticism;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY15nr1WmH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo5QtGPO0PY

 

[SacKings7]

What an uneducated post. Would you care to explain your comments about Batum? Role player trapped in superstars body? How the hell does that work? The guy is 19 years old, you talk as if he's done all his developing. Are you judging him because he's European, or because he doesn't have big stats? I honestly can't get over some of the comments made by people here. Did you watch the u19 WCs? If so, you would have seen that Batum is not only better than "decent at some things", he's actually good at quite alot of things.

With his size, length and athleticism, along with his good skill set the kid has the potential to be a special player. He's very similar to Rudy Gay.


Personally I don't know why he's fallen so much. It might be seen as a reach at 12, but I'd be 100% fine if we took him there.

Some videos showing his skill and athleticism;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY15nr1WmH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo5QtGPO0PY

Yeah Batum is gonna be a good player. But I think I read somewhere that he has/had health problems (with his heart maybe? I forget). That'll probably hurt his stock a bit

EDIT: Here's the link: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...um_halts_workout_after_borderline_heart_test/

 

[Dime Dropper]

If anybody wants to watch video of the Suns working some guys out including Batum and Alexander, it's here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Z-pct9GZI
Suns Vice President of Basketball operations says that Alexander is a great athlete but extremely raw, and a tweener. He says Batums gifts make him as talented as anyone in the entire draft. Make of that what you will. I don't see how any of this suggests that Batum is just a role player.

 

[bajaden]

Arthur's height is not as big of an issue as people think.

What matters for a big man like Arthur is his standing reach and his vertical. Arthur's standing reach is 8'11", which is as good as Al Horford's and about average for a PF.

Add to that his vertical leap (which I guarantee you is better than what was measured at the combine, no way he only jumps as high as Hawes) and you have a player who, like Tyrus Thomas, is able to play taller than his actual height.

I'm just curious how you can guarantee he can jump higher than he was measured at the pre-draft camp. You've had a personal workout with him. I don't place that much value on the vertical jump measurement. I mean its nice to have, but if you can play the game, thats more important. However, when they do the test, they take the best of three attempts. They use the same measuring device that the NFL uses. If your ever going to jump high, this is the place to do it. If your telling me he choked the jumps because of pressure, or because he wasn't in shape, then that speaks for itself.

 

[beb0p]

What an uneducated post. Would you care to explain your comments about Batum? Role player trapped in superstars body? How the hell does that work? The guy is 19 years old, you talk as if he's done all his developing. Are you judging him because he's European, or because he doesn't have big stats? I honestly can't get over some of the comments made by people here. Did you watch the u19 WCs? If so, you would have seen that Batum is not only better than "decent at some things", he's actually good at quite alot of things.

Dude, don't be mad just because you think I dissed your guy. All I'm saying is he hasn't accomplished what Alexander did, which is take a team on his back and carry them (and I'm not talking about just one game). Batum is so Jekyll and Hyde that I doubt anyone, including you, know what you're getting. I'm sure if you catch him on a good day, you'd think he's the next superstar. On a bad day, he is exactly what I described, a role player with superstar abilities. He can't make shots, he disappears from games, and he plays passively. I think when his jumpers are falling then everything opens up for him, but his J is inconsistent at best and his mechanics are imperfect. He's a guy who can look amazing in workout but put him in a game and you thought you're watching his evil twin.

No question he's still young and he has superstar potential. But he's a high risk pick while Joe Alexander is more of a sure thing but with a lower ceiling than Batum. That's all I'm saying.

 

[dmj]

I'm just curious how you can guarantee he can jump higher than he was measured at the pre-draft camp. You've had a personal workout with him. I don't place that much value on the vertical jump measurement. I mean its nice to have, but if you can play the game, thats more important. However, when they do the test, they take the best of three attempts. They use the same measuring device that the NFL uses. If your ever going to jump high, this is the place to do it. If your telling me he choked the jumps because of pressure, or because he wasn't in shape, then that speaks for itself.

I speak with confidence because I have seen the guy play. Again, after seeing him play I find it very hard to believe that he only has a 30" vertical leap, which would be only an inch better than Hawes' vert.

And it isn't like this would be the first time someone has performed below their abilities at the combine. Monta Ellis also tested out with a poor vertical, but anyone who has watched him in game knows that his vertical is much better than the 32" listed at the combine.

Finally, there are plenty of reasons why a player may perform worse than he is capable of. The most obvious being injury, and we Arthur has been having back issues as of late. I'd put my money on that or some other injury being the cause of his poor performance.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Yeah Batum is gonna be a good player. But I think I read somewhere that he has/had health problems (with his heart maybe? I forget). That'll probably hurt his stock a bit

EDIT: Here's the link: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...um_halts_workout_after_borderline_heart_test/

The heart stuff with Batum is concerning but hopefully the truth will come out about it. Chances are always better you'll get a better player in the range that we're drafting with a guard or wing player, and Batum has got tremendous talent; he's much more of a complete package in terms of skills and athleticism than Alexander is and that's why I think we should take him over Alexander unless the medical issue becomes a big deal.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Dude, don't be mad just because you think I dissed your guy. All I'm saying is he hasn't accomplished what Alexander did, which is take a team on his back and carry them (and I'm not talking about just one game).

You expect a 19 year old to carry a professional team? Alexander was the best player on a bad team in college. And the Euro game is less one on one than the college one. Alexander has accomplished very little.

Batum is so Jekyll and Hyde that I doubt anyone, including you, know what you're getting. I'm sure if you catch him on a good day, you'd think he's the next superstar. On a bad day, he is exactly what I described, a role player with superstar abilities.

I find this funny. If he has a superstar body and the abilities of a superstar, does that not make him a superstar? Your comment about catching him on good/bad days applies to pretty much everyone in the draft, not just Batum. I don't see anyone would be worried that he's not always at his best. The point is he's shown what he can do, and what he can do is pretty impressive. He has huge potential. It will take some time, but once he puts on some weight and adapts to the NBA, he could be a great player. He has huge potential on the defensive end, too.

He can't make shots, he disappears from games, and he plays passively. I think when his jumpers are falling then everything opens up for him, but his J is inconsistent at best and his mechanics are imperfect. He's a guy who can look amazing in workout but put him in a game and you thought you're watching his evil twin.

He can't make shots? Very vague statement. He can make shots.How does he disappear from games? This year he struggled to get time, that was his problem. Understandable seeing as he's a skinny 19 year old playing in a professional mens league. I'd agree that he's passive. But the game isn't taught like it is in America. Players are more team oriented. He will learn in the NBA with good coaching. He'll become more assertive.

No question he's still young and he has superstar potential. But he's a high risk pick while Joe Alexander is more of a sure thing but with a lower ceiling than Batum. That's all I'm saying.

I don't see Alexander as low risk at all. He's a very good athlete but his game isn't very refined. We need a star, and I don't think Alexander will ever be that. Batum could be.

 

[bajaden]

I speak with confidence because I have seen the guy play. Again, after seeing him play I find it very hard to believe that he only has a 30" vertical leap, which would be only an inch better than Hawes' vert.

And it isn't like this would be the first time someone has performed below their abilities at the combine. Monta Ellis also tested out with a poor vertical, but anyone who has watched him in game knows that his vertical is much better than the 32" listed at the combine.

Finally, there are plenty of reasons why a player may perform worse than he is capable of. The most obvious being injury, and we Arthur has been having back issues as of late. I'd put my money on that or some other injury being the cause of his poor performance.

You could be right, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a big fan of Arthur's. I spent all of last season trying to like him and he just didn't impress me. Yeah, I know, he was on a very talented team. But susposedly he was the best player on that team, and he did nothing to wow me. Rose was on a very talented team as was Love and they found a way to have that wow factor. Thats what scares me about Arthur. Even in an interview with him, he didn't speak very confidently about his game.
Think about why everyone is talking about Westbrook. Because at some point in the game he did something that stood out.

Now I could be dead wrong about Arthur, and for his sake, I hope I'am. I personally am not willing to take a gamble on him. If Petrie is, then I will defer to his judgement, and really hope that I'm wrong.

 

[SacKings7]

The heart stuff with Batum is concerning but hopefully the truth will come out about it. Chances are always better you'll get a better player in the range that we're drafting with a guard or wing player, and Batum has got tremendous talent; he's much more of a complete package in terms of skills and athleticism than Alexander is and that's why I think we should take him over Alexander unless the medical issue becomes a big deal.

Yeah I have no problem with picking Batum whatsoever. Wasn't he projected as a top 7 pick in last years draft before he pulled out?

 

[beb0p]

You expect a 19 year old to carry a professional team? Alexander was the best player on a bad team in college. And the Euro game is less one on one than the college one. Alexander has accomplished very little.

I find this funny. If he has a superstar body and the abilities of a superstar, does that not make him a superstar? Your comment about catching him on good/bad days applies to pretty much everyone in the draft, not just Batum. I don't see anyone would be worried that he's not always at his best. The point is he's shown what he can do, and what he can do is pretty impressive. He has huge potential. It will take some time, but once he puts on some weight and adapts to the NBA, he could be a great player. He has huge potential on the defensive end, too.

He can't make shots? Very vague statement. He can make shots.How does he disappear from games? This year he struggled to get time, that was his problem. Understandable seeing as he's a skinny 19 year old playing in a professional mens league. I'd agree that he's passive. But the game isn't taught like it is in America. Players are more team oriented. He will learn in the NBA with good coaching. He'll become more assertive.


I don't see Alexander as low risk at all. He's a very good athlete but his game isn't very refined. We need a star, and I don't think Alexander will ever be that. Batum could be.

Nice to know Nicholas Batum's mom is in the house!

 

[nbrans]

Nice to know Nicholas Batum's mom is in the house!

I guess Batum has several moms because I agree with him. From what I've seen, Batum's moves and handle are way farther along than Alexander's and he's just as athletic. I don't know about Batum's heart condition, and maybe people have cooled on him a bit, but the whole Alexander phenomenon has gotten way out of hand in my opinion. He can't shoot, he can't dribble, ok, he's a fine athlete, but unless he develops a midrange game like Luol Deng or develops his skills far beyond where they are, he's basically just another Ime Udoka or Jamario Moon.

Remember Luke Jackson, picked at #10 in 2004? His skills were even farther along than Alexander's. Dare I say people get overly excited about the athletic white guys because of the novelty factor?

 

[BMiller52]

I guess Batum has several moms because I agree with him. From what I've seen, Batum's moves and handle are way farther along than Alexander's and he's just as athletic. I don't know about Batum's heart condition, and maybe people have cooled on him a bit, but the whole Alexander phenomenon has gotten way out of hand in my opinion. He can't shoot, he can't dribble, ok, he's a fine athlete, but unless he develops a midrange game like Luol Deng or develops his skills far beyond where they are, he's basically just another Ime Udoka or Jamario Moon.

Remember Luke Jackson, picked at #10 in 2004? His skills were even farther along than Alexander's. Dare I say people get overly excited about the athletic white guys because of the novelty factor?

Yeah Alexander has gotten really overrated IMO. He can't shoot, he can't dribble, he's not a great passer, he has a mediocre mid range J, etc. People are hyped over his 40 inch verticle but he doesn't play like he's that athletic anyway.

 

[CruzDude]

Say what you will but Arthur has dropped like a rock and none of the sports guys who know more than you and I do see Arthur anywhere but below #12. They may not be experts but likely they know more than most of us do.

My own read on Arthur is his work ethic and attitude and he is still fairly raw. GP likes guys with 2-3 years of college, Hawes being the only freshman exception I see in GP's tenure here.

Randolph seems to be better choice than Arthur and Alexander has the attitude and work ethic along with a skill set better than Arthur. Even tho' Joe is a "tweener" I read that as between a 3 and a 4. Kinda like our RonRon, not defensively but in size, body, skills and work ethic.

 

[dmj]

Say what you will but Arthur has dropped like a rock and none of the sports guys who know more than you and I do see Arthur anywhere but below #12. They may not be experts but likely they know more than most of us do.

My own read on Arthur is his work ethic and attitude and he is still fairly raw. GP likes guys with 2-3 years of college, Hawes being the only freshman exception I see in GP's tenure here.

Randolph seems to be better choice than Arthur and Alexander has the attitude and work ethic along with a skill set better than Arthur. Even tho' Joe is a "tweener" I read that as between a 3 and a 4. Kinda like our RonRon, not defensively but in size, body, skills and work ethic.

He has dropped, but I think it is more production oriented and less about his physical attributes.

In fact, looking at the PF evaluations over at Draft Express, both Arthur and Randolph look like poor choices, though Randolph is arguably the worst PF in the first round by those statistics.

 

[BMiller52]

Say what you will but Arthur has dropped like a rock and none of the sports guys who know more than you and I do see Arthur anywhere but below #12. They may not be experts but likely they know more than most of us do.

My own read on Arthur is his work ethic and attitude and he is still fairly raw. GP likes guys with 2-3 years of college, Hawes being the only freshman exception I see in GP's tenure here.

Randolph seems to be better choice than Arthur and Alexander has the attitude and work ethic along with a skill set better than Arthur. Even tho' Joe is a "tweener" I read that as between a 3 and a 4. Kinda like our RonRon, not defensively but in size, body, skills and work ethic.

What the heck? Arthur is way more skilled than Alexander. He's a better post player, post defender, shooter, ball handler, etc.

 

[Jerichoholic]

I guess Batum has several moms because I agree with him. From what I've seen, Batum's moves and handle are way farther along than Alexander's and he's just as athletic. I don't know about Batum's heart condition, and maybe people have cooled on him a bit, but the whole Alexander phenomenon has gotten way out of hand in my opinion. He can't shoot, he can't dribble, ok, he's a fine athlete, but unless he develops a midrange game like Luol Deng or develops his skills far beyond where they are, he's basically just another Ime Udoka or Jamario Moon.

Remember Luke Jackson, picked at #10 in 2004? His skills were even farther along than Alexander's. Dare I say people get overly excited about the athletic white guys because of the novelty factor?

I agree with you 100%, I don't know what the deal is with Alexander but from watching him play a couple times this year I was unimpressed. Sure, at times he shows some nice athleticism, some highlight dunks, grabbed some tough rebounds, but 90% of the time he seemed very average to me. He lacks so many things right now to be an effective NBA player and you can easily find super-athletes with raw skills in the second round, many have been drafted in the past and most fail. I'm hoping his stock has risen to high that he indeed gets taken by Milwaukee at #8 so we don't have to worry about it.

Now I must admit I've never seen Batum play other than from highlight and scouting videos but I was very impressed. To me he looks like a bigger Manu Ginobili...he is extremely athletic, very good penetrator, has a good jump shot with 3-point range that is getting better, not to mention he has the potential to be a top defender. I honestly don't know why guys like Alexander and Randolph are rated higher, those guys are almost completely rated on potential while Batum has already shown a strong skill set to go along with his potential.

 

[Kings113]

Alexander is a skilled shooter from the low post out to 18 ft, all kinds of jumpshots.. off the dribble, mid-post, wings, spotting up, turn arounds, bankers. Also isn't a bad passer and rebounder.

However he's probably not going to be a starter in the NBA unless it's as a small PF on a speed-ball team. His defensive quickness at the 3 and maybe not developing 3PT range being the issues, significant questions. His team defense seems like it'll be fine.

Even so, being a unique, big foward off the bench at a 6th man level of ability, is still turning out well. I'll gladly take a good bench player at #12 in this draft.

As were probably not going to get a star player, or that typical anchoring defensive big man. I don't think those expectations have been or are realistic.

Arthur's height is not as big of an issue as people think.

What matters for a big man like Arthur is his standing reach and his vertical. Arthur's standing reach is 8'11", which is as good as Al Horford's and about average for a PF.

Add to that his vertical leap (which I guarantee you is better than what was measured at the combine, no way he only jumps as high as Hawes) and you have a player who, like Tyrus Thomas, is able to play taller than his actual height.

Well said.

Arthur has multiple skills on offense inside and out (his passing is an overlooked, clear part of his game, not really good, but definitely decent), is a well-rounded, quality defensive player, and plays with energy. He'll become a better rebounder as he matures, as well as get better overall. He's played in big games and is a winner. I don't discount his work ethic at all, especially with the team to coach him along.

I think playing on a deep, long, athletic Kansas team from top to bottom and getting into foul trouble with regularity, effected his rebounding.

Having watched him consistently since 1/07, I don't see why he won't translate over to the NBA relatively well, as an above-average complementary PF, on defense and offense. In drafting him, he'd better areas we've been weak in, and he'd also be significantly compatible with Spencer in general. I'm not expecting him to be our long-term PF, maybe he would turn out like that, but rather a key part of this team's PF/C group for the future (as would be on other teams).

I'll very happily take Arthur at #12 in this draft.

I think in his prime years he'll make all-nba-2nd team defense, or at least be at that level.

 

[CruzDude]

ESPN, who I look at as more expert than most, says this about Arthur: ".... very inconsistent, no 3-pt range, so-so rebounder, ballhandling a work in progress, once he gets ball he's going to shoot it." They rank him At #15 and most others rank him 14-18. At 6-9 and 216 he is more a 3 than a 4. There are a lot of power type 4's in the west conference. How does someone that light keep from getting pushed around? Consensus here carries a bit of weight.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

Arthur is an above average passer, handles do need improvement but he is a great finisher and a good defender.


I can just see kings selecting him. he to me screams kings. let him get a summer league and training camp under his belt. I think he would be a great 12th pick.