Cousins' Travels

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Why does he get called for traveling 2-3 times EVERY game? Seriously, it's not that difficult. You're an NBA player. Put the ball down BEFORE you lift your pivot foot.
 
Im not worried about it.

It hurt us last night, but its absolutely not our biggest issue. Its something Cousins needs to work on sure .. but again, not something Im worried about long term. He will figure it out.
 
Just a technique thing... really doesn't bother me to be quite honest. The problem is he's the one at the top of the key with the shot clock running down and nowhere to pass, so he's forced to drive.

I couldn't believe beno on a couple of possessions turning round to westphal and giving it the shrug, as if to say "what do i do." It was all a mess late on.
 
Why does he get called for traveling 2-3 times EVERY game? Seriously, it's not that difficult. You're an NBA player. Put the ball down BEFORE you lift your pivot foot.

Young player, nothing more. He'll grow out of that one.

This whole game was one where you could starkly see how much our youth had to do with us losing it. Had the talent, but not the experience or composure.
 
I understand that he's a young player but there isn't really an excuse for being called for traveling 2-3 times a game. It's simple fundamentals.
 
This whole game was one where you could starkly see how much our youth had to do with us losing it. Had the talent, but not the experience or composure.

Kings players in their 1st season

Cousins
Jeter

Kings players in their 2nd season

Evans
Casspi

Kings players in their 3rd season

Thompson
Greene
Jackson

Kings players in their 4th season

Landry

Kings players with 5 seasons or more

Head 6
Garcia - 6
Udrih - 7
Dalembert - 9


That works out to an average of 3.9 years of experience per player. Average age of those same players, 25.

Now I understand that averages don’t tell the whole story but if you do the math, this isn’t a team full of first and second year players who aren’t old enough to buy a beer yet like some folks seem to think it is.

At what point does the youth card meet its expiration date? At what point do we say hey, maybe youth isn’t the problem, maybe this team just isn’t as good as we thought/hoped it was?
 
Kings players in their 1st season

Cousins
Jeter

Kings players in their 2nd season

Evans
Casspi

Kings players in their 3rd season

Thompson
Greene
Jackson

Kings players in their 4th season

Landry

Kings players with 5 seasons or more

Head 6
Garcia - 6
Udrih - 7
Dalembert - 9


That works out to an average of 3.9 years of experience per player. Average age of those same players, 25.

Now I understand that averages don’t tell the whole story but if you do the math, this isn’t a team full of first and second year players who aren’t old enough to buy a beer yet like some folks seem to think it is.

At what point does the youth card meet its expiration date? At what point do we say hey, maybe youth isn’t the problem, maybe this team just isn’t as good as we thought/hoped it was?

I think this is well said. I've been saying the same thing for the past year. I really believe that it's the lack of development from Greene and Thompson that has killed us. If 1 of them would have turned into a solid player then we'd be a lot better off. I also believe that Casspi will end up in that group as well. Everything is hedged on Evans and Cousins at this point....
 
Well, the last travel call he was nearly at the 3 point line when he was making a move. So here you have a 20 year old 6'11", 280 lb guy faking one way, then going another at the three point line. That's really stretching the boundaries on what he can do well.

I really don't know how much experience Cousins has facing up a distance from the basket and making a move. At Kentucky, that wasn't his game. It looks like he'll get better as time goes on, but you're paying the price for his learning experience with traveling calls right now.

At least we can't complain that Dalembert is taking his minutes, right?:D
 
Young player, nothing more. He'll grow out of that one.

This whole game was one where you could starkly see how much our youth had to do with us losing it. Had the talent, but not the experience or composure.

You're right, he will grow out of it, but this is another example of poor coaching. This is the kind of thing that can be fixed, or at least reduced by a high rate, through 30 minutes of a focused coaching session (and I'm exxagerating. 10-15 minutes should do the trick). 30 minutes of the assistant coach just passing him the ball repeatedly and cousins dribbling immediately without traveling. Simple repetition is all it takes. Once you get it in your system it's a done deal.
 
He does walk too much but it's easily corrected. What bugs me is the inconsistency of that same pivot-foot/first dribble travel. Almost every player does it at some point during the game but refs call it maybe 1-2 times per team/game. I was watching the Wizards the other night and Gilbert Arenas took like 4 little shuffle steps before he dribbled it's ridiculous.
 
That works out to an average of 3.9 years of experience per player. Average age of those same players, 25.

Now I understand that averages don’t tell the whole story but if you do the math, this isn’t a team full of first and second year players who aren’t old enough to buy a beer yet like some folks seem to think it is.

At what point does the youth card meet its expiration date? At what point do we say hey, maybe youth isn’t the problem, maybe this team just isn’t as good as we thought/hoped it was?
Earlier this year on one of the broadcasts, they said the Kings were the 6th youngest team in the league and the 3rd least experienced. I'll try and see if i can confirm that online somewhere, but that would mean this is one of the very least experienced teams in the league.
 
Earlier this year on one of the broadcasts, they said the Kings were the 6th youngest team in the league and the 3rd least experienced. I'll try and see if i can confirm that online somewhere, but that would mean this is one of the very least experienced teams in the league.

bottom line, our talent is in the youngins. we are without truly talented and experienced vets (maybe a role player in dalembert), and we could use one or two. since it looks like we'll get another lottery pick, all the more need for getting them signed on. but don't expect much movement before the summer.
 
Earlier this year on one of the broadcasts, they said the Kings were the 6th youngest team in the league and the 3rd least experienced. I'll try and see if i can confirm that online somewhere, but that would mean this is one of the very least experienced teams in the league.

I heard something to this effect as well.
 
He does walk too much but it's easily corrected. What bugs me is the inconsistency of that same pivot-foot/first dribble travel. Almost every player does it at some point during the game but refs call it maybe 1-2 times per team/game. I was watching the Wizards the other night and Gilbert Arenas took like 4 little shuffle steps before he dribbled it's ridiculous.

Spencer used to shuffle both feet out on the perimeter before he made a move. I don't recall it being called that often. It bugged me. Tyreke Evans commits a carry every single time he dribbles the ball, so does Head. I've seen Evans called for it a few times, but to me, it's a huge part of his game and it looks illegal.
 
At what point does the youth card meet its expiration date? At what point do we say hey, maybe youth isn’t the problem, maybe this team just isn’t as good as we thought/hoped it was?
The normal answer over the history of the NBA is four years of college plus at least one year of NBA experience. Now go back and look at your chart again. And, of those on the team, how much experience by anyone's standards do the two players have that are talent-loaded stars of the future and therefore given their head more than any of the rest? Short answer: Cousins and Evans who are depended on in crunch time, or at least, take the ball in their hands and go.
 
bottom line, our talent is in the youngins. we are without truly talented and experienced vets (maybe a role player in dalembert), and we could use one or two. since it looks like we'll get another lottery pick, all the more need for getting them signed on. but don't expect much movement before the summer.

Very good point. Certainly we are headed for a very high draft pick again. Maybe wisdom this time would be to trade it for a quality veteran. Otherwise, we will just continue running an NBA boot camp.
 
Very good point. Certainly we are headed for a very high draft pick again. Maybe wisdom this time would be to trade it for a quality veteran.
If they do that it better be for a pretty damn good veteran. If they give up a top 5 pick for a Dalembert, Garcia, Landry, Beno caliber veteran I think that would be the final straw for me.
 
He does walk too much but it's easily corrected. What bugs me is the inconsistency of that same pivot-foot/first dribble travel. Almost every player does it at some point during the game but refs call it maybe 1-2 times per team/game. I was watching the Wizards the other night and Gilbert Arenas took like 4 little shuffle steps before he dribbled it's ridiculous.

This.

May be part of the rookie treatment, refs just giving DMC a hard time.
 
Bigger slower guys are easier for the refs to see travel than quick guards... and the rookie thing, after they got him once, they look for it.
 
I understand that he's a young player but there isn't really an excuse for being called for traveling 2-3 times a game. It's simple fundamentals.

Players who are top high school prospects and are one-n-done players usually don't hone fundamental skills.
 
Kings players in their 1st season

Cousins
Jeter

Kings players in their 2nd season

Evans
Casspi

Kings players in their 3rd season

Thompson
Greene
Jackson

Kings players in their 4th season

Landry

Kings players with 5 seasons or more

Head 6
Garcia - 6
Udrih - 7
Dalembert - 9


That works out to an average of 3.9 years of experience per player. Average age of those same players, 25.

Now I understand that averages don’t tell the whole story but if you do the math, this isn’t a team full of first and second year players who aren’t old enough to buy a beer yet like some folks seem to think it is.

At what point does the youth card meet its expiration date? At what point do we say hey, maybe youth isn’t the problem, maybe this team just isn’t as good as we thought/hoped it was?

That's a fairly inexperienced team, man. I think your post argues the exact opposite of what you're saying it does.

It's also curious that you're claiming that youth/inexperience is being overblown here, but a couple of threads over you're saying we desperately need to grab a vet, and now. If experience isn't the problem, aren't you overstating the need to add a veteran player?
 
Why does he get called for traveling 2-3 times EVERY game? Seriously, it's not that difficult. You're an NBA player. Put the ball down BEFORE you lift your pivot foot.

The dude in your avatar had a consistent problem with that as well. As a veteran. After he started getting called for it once or twice every game, he adjusted and improved. There's no reason to think Cousins won't figure it out as well; possibly much sooner than Webb did.
 
This.

May be part of the rookie treatment, refs just giving DMC a hard time.


This has NOTHING to do with the referees. The traveling violations that he commits are obvious, in the open floor, and give him a big advantage if they aren't called. He needs to learn SIMPLE basketball fundamentals and stop doing it.
 
I understand that he's a young player but there isn't really an excuse for being called for traveling 2-3 times a game. It's simple fundamentals.

Don't think anyone is making excuses for his traveling. Just writing it off to youth and inexperience. He's probably gotten away with it through highschool and college, and now he's not. He'll adjust.
 
Yeah, he travels a lot. He even gets away with some of them in every game. I am sure that should be the least of our worries with him, let's start with conditioning & maturity first.
 
Kings players in their 1st season

Cousins
Jeter

Kings players in their 2nd season

Evans
Casspi

Kings players in their 3rd season

Thompson
Greene
Jackson

Kings players in their 4th season

Landry

Kings players with 5 seasons or more

Head 6
Garcia - 6

Udrih - 7
Dalembert - 9


That works out to an average of 3.9 years of experience per player. Average age of those same players, 25.

Now I understand that averages don’t tell the whole story but if you do the math, this isn’t a team full of first and second year players who aren’t old enough to buy a beer yet like some folks seem to think it is.

At what point does the youth card meet its expiration date? At what point do we say hey, maybe youth isn’t the problem, maybe this team just isn’t as good as we thought/hoped it was?

Well ... the "vets" that I highlighted play worse than our young guys and bring absolutely nothing in terms of production on the court. So basically that's equivalent to us having Omri, Donte, Tyreke, JT, Cousins and Beno, then signing Mateen Cleaves, Jack Haley and Dahntay Jones and saying we have good veteran leaders.
 
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