Cousins suspended one game

[Bricklayer]

But if you must insist on using stats, then you can't ignore the fact that he hasn't won 30 games in this league. You just can't.

You absolutely can.

In fact you even wrote the proposition incorrectly.

The SACRAMENTO KINGS have never won 30 games since Cousins has been in the league.

Do we have to go through the full littany of unemployed players, coaches and GMs, slimy owners etc. yet again?


Did you know that in the 6 years since Boogie entered the league his top 2 starting teammates have been Jason Thompson (291 starts) and Ben McLemore (187 starts). Of course since leaving at the end of last year JT is now on his 3rd team and I don't think has started a game. Ben would be lucky to be treated so well outside of Sac.

Meanwhile over that same 6 year period Blake Griffin's top 2 starting teammates have been Deandre Jordan (439) and Chris Paul (332). Any theories as to how the miniscule gap in talent there might impact W/L records?


Other stalwarts in Boogie's Top 10 starting teammate list include John Salmons (112 starts), Marcus Thornton (108), Omri Casspi (66) and Beno Udrih (64). Cuz essentially has been given 2 decent, not world beating, just decent, teammates each season after his rookie season. No All Stars. But a Reke/IT (which was a bad mismatched pairing), then IT/Rudy, then Rudy/Collison (weaker), then Rudy/Rondo. And to top it off the coaches have been horrible mismatches, the owners have been idiots sabotaging the team etc.


Cousins Top 10 Starting Teammates, and How Many Starts They Have Had Since Leaving
Thompson -- 2 starts in 30 games
McLemore -- N/A
Gay -- N/A
Evans -- 123 starts in 176 games
Thomas -- 63 in 132 games
Salmons -- 0 starts in 81 games.
Thornton -- 7 starts in 121 games.
Casspi -- 38 starts in 179 games.
Udrih -- 38 starts in 289 games
Rondo -- N/A

So as you can see, Boogie has truly been holding back a pack of world beaters. Once they got loose of this place, man, lighting the league on fire I tell ya. Let alone future All Stars like Chuck Hayes, Donte Green, Ray McCallum etc. etc. Once all the guys Boogie has suppressed hit the open market man its a feeding frenzy as teams fall over themselves desperate to start them and guarantee their playoff runs.


Its an immensely poor argument that Grant makes again and again. He doesn't care because he's a crap with an agenda. Its not about analysis, just opportunism for him. Either that or he's fundamentally a stupid man not qualified to spit shine my wingtips. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is just dishonest and blinded by personal biases.

 

[Section 101]

DeMarcus just posted this on his Facebook Wall:

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The debate was on when this was posted.

 

[xrzn]

Along with what Tomcat posted, he posted these on Facebook and Instagram too. All three images were posted a couple hours ago and in near secession.

On the image about turning tables, on Instagram he put three sunglasses emoji as his caption -- ""

 

[Bricklayer]

my my

not sure what all that means, but probably best to let it lie. Serves no purpose for the final month, has little relevance after it, assuming that Karl si done of course.

 

[swisshh]

The debate was on when this was posted.

hadn't thought about that


I would like to say that I find it hilarious Boogie has an assortment of inspirational posters at hand to post.

 

[peacelate]

Cousins puts up great numbers. We get it. But he's also a big baby on the court. He was a baby when he was at Kentucky. He's still the same way 6 years later. You can blame it on the coaches, organization, players, but at the same time you probably have to accept it's just who he is.

I'm not saying the way Cousins acts is a roadblock to winning because many superstars were whiners, but stop making excuses for him.

 

[jcwkings]

Cousins always plays the victim, maybe its time he takes a long look in the mirror and reflects on what he can do better to turn things around, and I could give two craps about "HOF stats" on 30 win teams.

Heres an idea get rid of both Karl and Cousins in the off season, start fresh in a new arena, dont drag stench of the last half decade with you. Just give us a fresh start, with new faces, new mindsets, new beginnings, new culture etc.

 

[Bricklayer]

Cousins puts up great numbers. We get it. But he's also a big baby on the court. He was a baby when he was at Kentucky. He's still the same way 6 years later. You can blame it on the coaches, organization, players, but at the same time you probably have to accept it's just who he is.

I'm not saying the way Cousins acts is a roadblock to winning because many superstars were whiners, but stop making excuses for him.

That doesn't particularly bother me as a stance. His oncourt demeanor is far from perfect.

Its also far from being this big catastrophic problem causing the world's woes. He'll miss 1 game. He could just as easily have re-rolled an ankle and done the same. Meanwhile there's a 50/50 chance on any given night a lynch mob of Kings fans grabs Karl on the way out to the parking lot and strings him up. But if a PLAYER says anything, well their are cancerous losers. Makes sense to me!

 

[Im Still Ballin]

There are multiple people at fault for this season. To pin it on any one person would be wrong. What is wrong however, is Cousins continual unprofessionalism. Now it is rubbing off on guys like WCS. This isn't the right culture that needs to be set. You might point out Karl criticizing the players, but that's what coaches do. It's the hierarchy of a team, or else what point would there be to a coach? I don't think Cousins has done nearly enough to be able to openly criticize a coach over and over again.

It's understandable when a Lebron or a Kobe or a Jordan criticizes a coach, it's not good professional behavior from a player, but I can understand it. I just don't feel as though Cousins has anywhere near that pull or say. The problem is as a franchise, we've treated him like a superstar, when his results have fall short in comparison. He's an amazing talent. Nobody denies that. But as we know, it takes more than that in the NBA. I struggle to see a successful future with Demarcus at the helm. He's gone through too much and he's too set in stone with the amount of respect he has for the franchise and whomever it hires as a coach. I thought someone with the legendary reputation and resume like Karl would change that, but I was wrong.

I think he can succeed somewhere where there is someone definitively above him. Like a Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, or a better star player. He's closer to Dennis Rodman than he is to Michael Jordan as a leader.

 

[New Era]

Along with what Tomcat posted, he posted these on Facebook and Instagram too. All three images were posted a couple hours ago and in near secession.

On the image about turning tables, on Instagram he put three sunglasses emoji as his caption -- ""

Great! More riddles from Cousins like we had this summer!

 

[Albatros]

ugh. This is why I just can't abide this team at the moment, and it's been this way for a long time now. Just non stop problems, drama and childish behaviour from top to bottom.

this is a freaking professional league, the whole team should be suspended for one game, including the front office. With any luck it'd be for the rest of the season too.

children.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Whole lotta nutten goin on... I'll wait until something serious happens to worry.

 

[Albatros]

Basically. Cousins on Team USA. Cousins with Malone. We've seen what you mostly want out of Cuz.

What we've not seen is the franchise and organization itself figure out how to build a winner. I keep waiting for some sensible basketball moves while everyone is talking about proper NBA etiquette. If you want well mannered losers then go ahead. I figure most fans want winning, and that means holding the organization accountable.

Yeah... and the players are part of that organisation, even if they quite clearly don't want to be. The name on the front is more important to than the name on the back.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

So if you think there's some sort of mass conspiracy to not speak truth to power (which usually people think when THEIR opinion is not the narrative spoken or general consensus, therefore everyone else is a coward), I strongly suggest you find a media outlet, get a job, get a credential, get access, and then come back shortly after and read this thread. Then you will most certainly repeatedly punch yourself in the face for being a goddamned weirdo about all of this.

@IfAt1st appears to believe that anyone with media access has a moral obligation to disclose one hundred percent of everything they hear to the public, at all times. I don't know why he would believe that, but it does, indeed, appear to be what he believes.

I get where your coming, Dave, and I agree with most of it, but I would like address the above quoted portion: I don't think that there's any kind of conspiracy to not speak truth to power; in fact, I actually agree with your general sentiment about the Conspiracy Theorist's Manifesto. I would add, however, that I don't think that it's unreasonable for those of us on the outside to want the organization to be more publicly critical of itself. I think that some of us feel as though the organization doesn't take as much ownership of the drama and problems as we would like, and when the people who cover the organization for a living aren't speaking to that, well... Even though I don't necessarily agree, I can see how some people might take that to mean that the "media" is "covering up" for the team.

I also tend to be of the opinion that how critical someone is of the organization that pays them is probably directly proportional to how insulated they are, or how insulated they think they are, from reprisal. And, frankly, I don't object to that, at all. I'm not going to be the guy who stands up here and says, "You have to put your job at risk, and potentially take food out of your family's mouths, in order that I may feel satisfied that you're being completely transparent!" I don't even necessarily feel like we're owed transparency; we're not shareholders.

I would, on a personal note, though, rather you just kept some of this stuff to yourself; the ****-teasing on Twitter doesn't do me any good. I respect that you're not going to jeopardize your access by disclosing privileged information, and would never ask you to breach that confidence, but I would personally rather you lied, and said that you didn't know ****, or just not say anything at all, than to say that you have a secret, but you can't tell me. That's just rude.

 

[jaysutton2003]

" The marathon continues "

 

[jcwkings]

Local media has always been soft on the franchise and players, they are part of the problem too. It always takes some national guy to call this franchise/players out, and local media just chimes in with their two cents or play damage control for the organization.

 

[Iced Espresso]

Local media has always been soft on the franchise and players, they are part of the problem too. It always takes some national guy to call this franchise/players out, and local media just chimes in with their two cents or play damage control for the organization.

Not true, RE Graswich was pretty brutal, agree with him or not.

 

[dude12]

I don't disagree with what Cousins said but the timing and delivery of his thoughts need to be at a different time and not in front of Kings Nation.

 

[Dbeltz24]

Boogie needs an older player on this roster that will help mold him and help him look big picture. Rondo/Gay are not that kind of player.

A player that Boogie respects and a player that is also great for team chemistry and actually produces.

Some players that come to mind; ZBo, Noah, Pau and many others.

Because at this stage in DMC career he is a great player, but he is not a leader. Many greats struggled with that, and many had a player they respected help them out of that whole (Kobe needed Fisher, Curry has/had Iggy, LeBron had Udonis/Wade).

 

[hrdboild]

Boogie needs an older player on this roster that will help mold him and help him look big picture. Rondo/Gay are not that kind of player.

A player that Boogie respects and a player that is also great for team chemistry and actually produces.

Some players that come to mind; ZBo, Noah, Pau and many others.

You want Joakim Noah and Zach Randolph to mentor DeMarcus Cousins?

 

[Dbeltz24]

You want Joakim Noah and Zach Randolph to mentor DeMarcus Cousins?

Have you seen how ZBo has matured since he was a young player? Could relate to DMC a lot by that. ZBo has come a long way since punching players, getting T'D up on a daily basis and demanding trades. He's grown up a lot in Memphis, been making the playoffs in Memphis and is highly praised from reporters, staff and peers these days, but I'm sure you're already aware of that

And Noah has a lot of respect from his peers not named DRose.

 

[Bricklayer]

Have you seen how ZBo has matured since he was a young player? Could relate to DMC a lot by that. ZBo has come a long way since punching players, getting T'D up on a daily basis and demanding trades. He's grown up a lot in Memphis, been making the playoffs in Memphis and is highly praised from reporters, staff and peers these days, but I'm sure you're already aware of that

And Noah has a lot of respect from his peers not named DRose.

DeMarcus Cousins is 10x the person ZBo has ever been.

Another part of the anti-Cuz delusion is that he's either a bad guy or a dumb guy. He is neither. ZBo was at least one of them. Cuz would react to a reformed felon being tossed at him as some sort of "mentor" the same way most of us would.

P.S. and apparently people have not paid attention to the Cuz/Rondo dynamic. Rondo came here in particular to play KG for Cuz. I have no idea what the status of the relationship is today, but rondo was absolutely a guy like that.

 

[Dbeltz24]

DeMarcus Cousins is 10x the person ZBo has ever been.

Another part of the anti-Cuz delusion is that he's either a bad guy or a dumb guy. He is neither. ZBo was at least one of them. Cuz would react to a reformed felon being tossed at him as some sort of "mentor" the same way most of us would.

Really? 10x the person? Sorry, I must be confused about who we are talking about. We're talking about DeMarcus right? 6 years of the same old stuff to me shows that he isn't a smart guy. Still feuding with coaches? Yup. Still leading the league in T's? Yup. Still getting suspended? Yup. Still not getting back on D? Yup. Still bickering/sulking with the refs? Yup. Not sure how smart a person can be when they keep repeating the same mistake.


And ZBo can mentor in him in what will/might happen if he doesn't change. Since he went thru a lot in his younger days, and now we barely hear a peep about ZBo the past 5 years, except you see him playing in the playoffs.

And side note, there are many members on this board who praise Caron Butler for being a mentoring Vet, so I guess being arrested in the past shouldn't bother you.

P.S. You really brought up Rondo being the KG to DMC?!? The guy that the Mavs didn't even want on their playoff roster sheesh.

 

[KingMilz]

DeMarcus Cousins is 10x the person ZBo has ever been.

Another part of the anti-Cuz delusion is that he's either a bad guy or a dumb guy. He is neither. ZBo was at least one of them. Cuz would react to a reformed felon being tossed at him as some sort of "mentor" the same way most of us would.

P.S. and apparently people have not paid attention to the Cuz/Rondo dynamic. Rondo came here in particular to play KG for Cuz. I have no idea what the status of the relationship is today, but rondo was absolutely a guy like that.

Rondo came here cause it was a perfect place to stat pad and not worry about playing defense and we were the only team probably willing to pay even close to 10million for him. Guy came here to get his value up and for a nice pay cheque cause he sure as hell didn't come here to help us win.

 

[Bricklayer]

Really? 10x the person? Sorry, I must be confused about who we are talking about. We're talking about DeMarcus right? 6 years of the same old stuff to me shows that he isn't a smart guy. Still feuding with coaches? Yup. Still leading the league in T's? Yup. Still getting suspended? Yup. Still not getting back on D? Yup. Still bickering/sulking with the refs? Yup. Not sure how smart a person can be when they keep repeating the same mistake.


And ZBo can mentor in him in what will/might happen if he doesn't change. Since he went thru a lot in his younger days, and now we barely hear a peep about ZBo the past 5 years, except you see him playing in the playoffs.

And side note, there are many members on this board who praise Caron Butler for being a mentoring Vet, so I guess being arrested in the past shouldn't bother you.

P.S. You really brought up Rondo being the KG to DMC?!? The guy that the Mavs didn't even want on their playoff roster sheesh.

And this is where fans reveal themselves to be worse knuckleheads than Cousins.

To all rational appearances DeMarcus Cousisn is a flat out good person. He does a lot of good from his position, and not ONCE has he ever been in any kind of off court trouble. He has no rape charges against him (Hi Kobe), no drug charges, no pot smoking, no dog fighting, No DUI's, no barroom brawls/punching out trainers, no sleeping with teammates wives (Hi Parker), no impregnating 14 yr olds (Hi Mailman), so strip club hijinks (hi Ewing), no porn star hookups/pimping (hi Draymond, or for that matter, Peja). There are plenty of thugs that bounce through the NBA. Cousins isn't one of them, nor do I think he hangs out with them.

Suggesting he needs reformed scum to come in and help him reform is precisely why he has such disdain for most people.

 

[Glenn]

Boogie needs an older player on this roster that will help mold him and help him look big picture. Rondo/Gay are not that kind of player.

A player that Boogie respects and a player that is also great for team chemistry and actually produces.

Some players that come to mind; ZBo, Noah, Pau and many others.

Because at this stage in DMC career he is a great player, but he is not a leader. Many greats struggled with that, and many had a player they respected help them out of that whole (Kobe needed Fisher, Curry has/had Iggy, LeBron had Udonis/Wade).

How about Butler?

 

[Bricklayer]

P.S. You really brought up Rondo being the KG to DMC?!? The guy that the Mavs didn't even want on their playoff roster sheesh.

And yes, I really brought up Rondo as the KG because some of us who read most Kings related articles know that that was PRECISELY and explicitly what Rondo said he was trying to do with Cuz early in the season. Be the mentor. Pass along the wisdom passed along to him. Run a google search, go look it up.

 

[funkykingston]

Really? 10x the person? Sorry, I must be confused about who we are talking about. We're talking about DeMarcus right? 6 years of the same old stuff to me shows that he isn't a smart guy. Still feuding with coaches? Yup. Still leading the league in T's? Yup. Still getting suspended? Yup. Still not getting back on D? Yup. Still bickering/sulking with the refs? Yup. Not sure how smart a person can be when they keep repeating the same mistake.


And ZBo can mentor in him in what will/might happen if he doesn't change. Since he went thru a lot in his younger days, and now we barely hear a peep about ZBo the past 5 years, except you see him playing in the playoffs.

And side note, there are many members on this board who praise Caron Butler for being a mentoring Vet, so I guess being arrested in the past shouldn't bother you.

P.S. You really brought up Rondo being the KG to DMC?!? The guy that the Mavs didn't even want on their playoff roster sheesh.

Really? Because it was less than five years ago that Randolph invited a drug dealer he met on a cruise ship over to his house, stole the guy's weed and let his boys rough him up with pool cues.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-zach-randolph-still-hasnt-learned-his-lesson

Let me know the next time Cousins gets arrested. Or gets a DUI. Or hell, a speeding ticket.

DeMarcus Cousins has trouble controlling his emotions on the basketball court. It's frustrating to watch and I'm tired of it too, but let's not pretend that puts him on the same level as guys who beat their wives (Jason Kidd), threw a guy through a window while drunk (Barkley), pulled out guns in the locker room (Arenas), got in a brawl in a nightclub and then yelled profanities at police officers (Bonzi Wells) or any of the other current and former players that committed real crimes. Even Chris Webber had the marijuana charges and lying to a grand jury.

DeMarcus hasn't even been in an on court fight like Ron Artest or for that matter Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller etc.

And the difference between Caron Butler and ZBo is that Butler turned his life around in order to make it to the NBA. I'm not sure Randolph has even changed that much. If it weren't for guys like Javaris Crittenton and Keon Clark (who is 2 years into an 8 year sentence) ZBo would probably have the most impressive rap sheet in the NBA.

There's a whole lot of NBA players' lives that happens off the court and away from the public eye. But it seems like people want to put Cousins on par with criminals because they don't like his attitude while watching him play.

 

[Dbeltz24]

Really? Because it was less than five years ago that Randolph invited a drug dealer he met on a cruise ship over to his house, stole the guy's weed and let his boys rough him up with pool cues.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-zach-randolph-still-hasnt-learned-his-lesson

Let me know the next time Cousins gets arrested. Or gets a DUI. Or hell, a speeding ticket.

DeMarcus Cousins has trouble controlling his emotions on the basketball court. It's frustrating to watch and I'm tired of it too, but let's not pretend that puts him on the same level as guys who beat their wives (Jason Kidd), threw a guy through a window while drunk (Barkley), pulled out guns in the locker room (Arenas), got in a brawl in a nightclub and then yelled profanities at police officers (Bonzi Wells) or any of the other current and former players that committed real crimes. Even Chris Webber had the marijuana charges and lying to a grand jury.

DeMarcus hasn't even been in an on court fight like Ron Artest or for that matter Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller etc.

And the difference between Caron Butler and ZBo is that Butler turned his life around in order to make it to the NBA. I'm not sure Randolph has even changed that much. If it weren't for Javaris Crittenton ZBo would probably have the most impressive rap sheet in the NBA.

There's a whole lot of NBA players' lives that happens off the court and away from the public eye. But it seems like people want to put Cousins on par with criminals because they don't like his attitude while watching him play.

If you guys actually read what I wrote, I spoke nothing about anything off the Court with DMC. He needs mentoring on the court. And while the guys I mentioned have had huge off the court problems, ZBo also had complications on the court as well. He didn't get along with teammates, coaches and the FO. Sounds familiar right. And yes, now you don't hear of ZBo fighting anyone within the organization. I spoke clearly about on the court problems with DMC, and now typical DMC agenda is to point at other players with legal problems to make DMC not look like a headcase, but in reality when it comes to what happens on the court, DMC is proving he still is.

 

[Dbeltz24]

How about Butler?

See, Butler is a tough one. Say this was 2-3 years ago when Butler was getting minutes, I'd say perfect. Because Butler could be on the court while DMC is going thru these antics.

Because like I said, DMC problem's are only on-court. Fine citizen outside of the NBA and has been a friendly guy in the Sacramento community.

But on the court, it is clear as day he still is a headcase.