Cousins Suspended One Game

[LWP777]

I have a few points to make. First, it's absolutely amazing how much the "high post" count people in here defend DMC. This is just one of MANY incidents in his short time here in Sacramento. Second, the players in the NBA are the image of the business. They are the reason this is a multi billion dollar industry. The league would not just suspend him because they "have it out for him." That's not good for business. Third, saying that Amir Johnson was "attacking" a referee is ludicrous. I do think he should have gotten 2 games for throwing his mouthpiece but to say he was attacking a referee is a huge exaggeration.

It is time to move on from the DMC era. This guy isn't going to change. He's a distraction to the franchise. He needs to be shipped out.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

i cant believe poeple actually think like you just over little incidents like this.

if we do lose DMC, i hope you enjoy sitting back and watching him be a perrinial all star on another team and maybe the best big man in the league

 

[Bricklayer]

I have a few points to make. First, it's absolutely amazing how much the "high post" count people in here defend DMC. This is just one of MANY incidents in his short time here in Sacramento. Second, the players in the NBA are the image of the business. They are the reason this is a multi billion dollar industry. The league would not just suspend him because they "have it out for him." That's not good for business. Third, saying that Amir Johnson was "attacking" a referee is ludicrous. I do think he should have gotten 2 games for throwing his mouthpiece but to say he was attacking a referee is a huge exaggeration.

It is time to move on from the DMC era. This guy isn't going to change. He's a distraction to the franchise. He needs to be shipped out.

Apparently you have never watched Kevin "the Big Distraction" Garnett play.

Apparently you never watched Dennis Rodman play his way to 5 rings.

There are a reason high post people defend DMC -- its because we've been aroudn a long time and get it in the way that kneejerk little diletantes don't. 15 years ago we were on the other side of the equation. We were the coolheaded ones who waited around and flat stole some all world talent "distraction" named Webber from an idiot franchise determined to be bad forever. Funny how that worked out for the two teams.

 

[Henkel]

I've made this argument before, but one last time. Whether you feel this is fair or not is irrelevant. The league has clearly taken a hard line approach with Cousins, that's the reality here. He can adjust his behavior or he can sit, which hurts him and his team. I hope at this point he is smart enough to understand that instead of buying in to this victim mentality bull****. It simple won't get him anywhere.

 

[rainmaker]

I have a few points to make. First, it's absolutely amazing how much the "high post" count people in here defend DMC. This is just one of MANY incidents in his short time here in Sacramento. Second, the players in the NBA are the image of the business. They are the reason this is a multi billion dollar industry. The league would not just suspend him because they "have it out for him." That's not good for business. Third, saying that Amir Johnson was "attacking" a referee is ludicrous. I do think he should have gotten 2 games for throwing his mouthpiece but to say he was attacking a referee is a huge exaggeration.

It is time to move on from the DMC era. This guy isn't going to change. He's a distraction to the franchise. He needs to be shipped out.

He's immature, but you don't give up on 22 yr old with his talent. You don't give up on 22 yr olds in life in general.

You're acting like this franchise would be fine if we shipped him out. There's many more distractions right now, starting with the Maloofs, the arena situation, our FO and our coach.

Just our of curiosity, give me an example of a deal you want to see for Cuz.

 

[rhythmless]

Kevin Garrnet nut shot on Fyre no suspension, he also throw 2-3 elbows at Francisco Elsons nuts in the playoffs a while back and got no suspension.

At least the league is consistant...............

Reggie Evans grabs Chris Kamans nuts "Evans was fined $10,000 and a two but not suspended for his actions"

Not gonna get into the how the NBA doles out penalties, because we can all agree there's no logic in David Stern's office. I don't think anyone's defending the NBA or saying they're consistent. The big argument seems to be whether DMC threw a tap out there to get some junk action, or whether he was aware that the tap was in the junk area.

 

[KingMilz]

Not gonna get into the how the NBA doles out penalties, because we can all agree there's no logic in David Stern's office. I don't think anyone's defending the NBA or saying they're consistent. The big argument seems to be whether DMC threw a tap out there to get some junk action, or whether he was aware that the tap was in the junk area.

In both those instances I linked those were both clearly intentional far more than you could say Cousins was and both could have done far more harm yet his punishment is far worse.

 

[Henkel]

In both those instances I linked those were both clearly intentional far more than you could say Cousins was and both could have done far more harm yet his punishment is far worse.

Lets just say as an absolute that Cousins is going to receive excessive punishment from the league office. Alright, then what? The only solution is for Cousins to adjust his behavior, which by the way is the intention of these harsh penalties.

 

[rhythmless]

In both those instances I linked those were both clearly intentional far more than you could say Cousins was and both could have done far more harm yet his punishment is far worse.

I agree. Far worse, with far less punishment. But the back tap was clearly intentional, with DMC knowing exactly where Mayo is b/c their bodies were touching and DMC had Mayo's right forearm in his hand. If you've played even recreational basketball, or any contact sport, or hell, even had brothers that wrestled you, you know where everything is without looking as long as you have a couple reference points.

The question of whether this is fair treatment is plausible. The question of severity in regards to DMC's actions, also something to discuss (I don't think it's that much activity). But whether he made a move in Mayo's "area" intentionally? I'm seriously flummoxed that it's a debate.

 

[Bricklayer]

Not gonna get into the how the NBA doles out penalties, because we can all agree there's no logic in David Stern's office. I don't think anyone's defending the NBA or saying they're consistent. The big argument seems to be whether DMC threw a tap out there to get some junk action, or whether he was aware that the tap was in the junk area.

And that's unknowable really. My point would be even if it was intentional, a backhanded tap during a play with less than 100% clear motivations that did not cause the other player any obvious dicomfort, draw a foul, or draw a technical, is pretty much never handled with a suspension. That stuff is going on repeatedly with DeMarcus now. You can say oh, he should know better. But know better how? A fine I could see. Something happened, so, fine. But at this point anything that is happeneing is resulting in huge deals that other players are not having to deal with.

Unfortunately there is too much money involved (not to mention we need him too much) for DeMarcus to respond appropriately, which is to completely smash OJ Mayo the next time we face them, and get his money's worth on the next suspension. Getting fined or suspended is one thing if you earn it. You can take that. Getting fined or suspended when other guys aren't for the same conduct is something entirely different. If Kobe was blocking out Boogie on that play and swung that same fist there is no way he gets suspended for it. That is where it crosses the line.

 

[KingMilz]

I agree. Far worse, with far less punishment. But the back tap was clearly intentional, with DMC knowing exactly where Mayo is b/c their bodies were touching and DMC had Mayo's right forearm in his hand. If you've played even recreational basketball, or any contact sport, or hell, even had brothers that wrestled you, you know where everything is without looking as long as you have a couple reference points.

The question of whether this is fair treatment is plausible. The question of severity in regards to DMC's actions, also something to discuss (I don't think it's that much activity). But whether he made a move in Mayo's "area" intentionally? I'm seriously flummoxed that it's a debate.

I have no doubt it was intentional but damn Cousins must have good aim since Mayo's nuts probs suffered a good amount of shrinkage due to the roids he was busted taking.

But yeah I have no issue with the league sending him a warning or a minor fine but a suspension is so far over the top its not even funny when you compare it to other cases.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Kevin Garrnet nut shot on Fyre no suspension, he also throw 2-3 elbows at Francisco Elsons nuts in the playoffs a while back and got no suspension.

At least the league is consistant...............

Reggie Evans grabs Chris Kamans nuts "Evans was fined $10,000 and a flagrant foul-two but not suspended for his actions"

So it looks like shots to the nuts are just punished with a fine. but as we learned today, shots to the Vagina warrant a 1 game suspension

 

[ParniValjak]

I might be clutching at straws here and it could entirely be my wishful thinking but could this move be another one in line of NBA putting pressure on the clowns to sell the team?!

Maybe not!

 

[KingMilz]

I might be clutching at straws here and it could entirely be my wishful thinking but could this move be another one in line of NBA putting pressure on the clowns to sell the team?!

Maybe not!

Or to make sure the Kings don't have a better record than the Lakers lol

 

[LWP777]

Apparently you have never watched Kevin "the Big Distraction" Garnett play.

Apparently you never watched Dennis Rodman play his way to 5 rings.

There are a reason high post people defend DMC -- its because we've been aroudn a long time and get it in the way that kneejerk little diletantes don't. 15 years ago we were on the other side of the equation. We were the coolheaded ones who waited around and flat stole some all world talent "distraction" named Webber from an idiot franchise determined to be bad forever. Funny how that worked out for the two teams.

Look, we are on the same team here. I want the Kings to be relevant again just as much as you do. We just disagree on the path to take to get there. DMC is not KG. DMC is not Dennis Rodman. I don't believe he ever will be at the caliber that those 2 are/were. Rodman isn't really even a good example because he was a niche player and specialized in defense and rebounding.

I've followed the Kings from Day 1. I remember going to Arco when it held 10,333 people and it was sold out every night. I remember crying when Ricky Berry committed suicide. I've been through it all so please don't act like you are superior to me just because you have 30K posts.

 

[Warhawk]

I have a few points to make. First, it's absolutely amazing how much the "high post" count people in here defend DMC. This is just one of MANY incidents in his short time here in Sacramento. Second, the players in the NBA are the image of the business. They are the reason this is a multi billion dollar industry. The league would not just suspend him because they "have it out for him." That's not good for business. Third, saying that Amir Johnson was "attacking" a referee is ludicrous. I do think he should have gotten 2 games for throwing his mouthpiece but to say he was attacking a referee is a huge exaggeration.

It is time to move on from the DMC era. This guy isn't going to change. He's a distraction to the franchise. He needs to be shipped out.

Or, perhaps, you are making a Mt. Everest out of a dirt clod and just can't seem to get over it.

 

[LWP777]

He's immature, but you don't give up on 22 yr old with his talent. You don't give up on 22 yr olds in life in general.

You're acting like this franchise would be fine if we shipped him out. There's many more distractions right now, starting with the Maloofs, the arena situation, our FO and our coach.

Just our of curiosity, give me an example of a deal you want to see for Cuz.

I'm not suggesting to ship him out for peanuts. If the right deal was there you'd take it. I would look to get a couple of nice players and maybe a pick. Something like Gortat, Dragic, and a pick for DMC and filler. I doubt the Suns would do it though!

 

[KingMilz]

I'm not suggesting to ship him out for peanuts. If the right deal was there you'd take it. I would look to get a couple of nice players and maybe a pick. Something like Gortat, Dragic, and a pick for DMC and filler. I doubt the Suns would do it though!

I doubt the Kings would do that far more

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm not suggesting to ship him out for peanuts. If the right deal was there you'd take it. I would look to get a couple of nice players and maybe a pick. Something like Gortat, Dragic, and a pick for DMC and filler. I doubt the Suns would do it though!

Indeed, I'm sure the Suns would take that call. After all where would that franchise be without idiots willing to pump them up:

However, Barkley demanded a trade out of Philadelphia after the Sixers failed to make the postseason with a 35–47 record.[4][22] On July 17, 1992, he was traded to the Phoenix Suns in exchange for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Barkley

 

[Npliam]

He did it on purpose. He should have been fined but not suspended. The Kings shouldn't trade him. It is that simple.

 

[mac]

He did it on purpose. He should have been fined but not suspended. The Kings shouldn't trade him. It is that simple.

I completely agree.

In particular, we shouldn't trade him because we have no hope of assembling a great team without star players (because our FO sucks), and we have no hope of getting many stars other than through the draft. If say we were the Knicks or something I'm sure many here wouldn't be as strongly opposed to trading him away, because we would always be able to get talent back through FA or the likes.

 

[King Baller]

I'm not suggesting to ship him out for peanuts. If the right deal was there you'd take it. I would look to get a couple of nice players and maybe a pick. Something like Gortat, Dragic, and a pick for DMC and filler. I doubt the Suns would do it though!

The Kings need to consolidate talent. Not spread it out.

KB

 

[VF21]

I have a few points to make. First, it's absolutely amazing how much the "high post" count people in here defend DMC. This is just one of MANY incidents in his short time here in Sacramento. Second, the players in the NBA are the image of the business. They are the reason this is a multi billion dollar industry. The league would not just suspend him because they "have it out for him." That's not good for business. Third, saying that Amir Johnson was "attacking" a referee is ludicrous. I do think he should have gotten 2 games for throwing his mouthpiece but to say he was attacking a referee is a huge exaggeration.

It is time to move on from the DMC era. This guy isn't going to change. He's a distraction to the franchise. He needs to be shipped out.

Perhaps it's because most of us "high post" count people have been around a while and watched a LOT of basketball. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have times when I am very upset with Cousins and his choices BUT I also know that he is a rare talent, something that comes around for a franchise once in a blue moon if you're lucky. You do not toss that kind of talent out without first doing absolutely everything you can to salvage him as a player.

You seem to feel there is no benefit to urging patience with Cousins. I strongly and vehemently disagree. He needs guidance and he needs a strong coach to show him the way. He needs to work on his temper - which I think he has been doing recently - and he needs to curb some of his urges. Those things are doable.

Ron Artest was put under a microscope by the league and he survived and came out at the other end a better person and a good teammate. I think the same can happen with Cousins, who happens to be younger and without the same sort of anger issues Artest brought to the mix.

I personally do not think it was his actions per se that got him the suspension. I tend to believe it was more a result of him talking to the media (print and social) instead of just shutting up and not saying a word.

I get it. You don't like Cousins, you don't think he's worth trying to salvage and you think anyone who believes differently is just plain wrong. The truth of the matter is none of us know which side - if either - is correct. If you're right, it's another shot in the gut to the Kings. If I'm right, there may be a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't an oncoming train. I hope you don't mind, but I'll continue to look for the light.

 

[TyFreak Evans]

Perhaps it's because most of us "high post" count people have been around a while and watched a LOT of basketball. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have times when I am very upset with Cousins and his choices BUT I also know that he is a rare talent, something that comes around for a franchise once in a blue moon if you're lucky. You do not toss that kind of talent out without first doing absolutely everything you can to salvage him as a player.

You seem to feel there is no benefit to urging patience with Cousins. I strongly and vehemently disagree. He needs guidance and he needs a strong coach to show him the way. He needs to work on his temper - which I think he has been doing recently - and he needs to curb some of his urges. Those things are doable.

Ron Artest was put under a microscope by the league and he survived and came out at the other end a better person and a good teammate. I think the same can happen with Cousins, who happens to be younger and without the same sort of anger issues Artest brought to the mix.

I personally do not think it was his actions per se that got him the suspension. I tend to believe it was more a result of him talking to the media (print and social) instead of just shutting up and not saying a word.

I get it. You don't like Cousins, you don't think he's worth trying to salvage and you think anyone who believes differently is just plain wrong. The truth of the matter is none of us know which side - if either - is correct. If you're right, it's another shot in the gut to the Kings. If I'm right, there may be a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't an oncoming train. I hope you don't mind, but I'll continue to look for the light.

I will be honest with you, I do not like Cousins AT ALL. I almost think we would be better off without him.

However, I am not going disagree with everything that you said above, because I can see where a fan of DMC comes from, and sometimes I too feel that he has the potential to be a monster. I hope he proves me wrong. I want him to prove me wrong. I want him to mature. I want him to be the man. I want him to dominate.

 

[VF21]

I will be honest with you, I do not like Cousins AT ALL. I almost think we would be better off without him.

However, I am not going disagree with everything that you said above, because I can see where a fan of DMC comes from, and sometimes I too feel that he has the potential to be a monster. I hope he proves me wrong. I want him to prove me wrong. I want him to mature. I want him to be the man. I want him to dominate.

I am not a DMC fan per se. For me it is about the name on the front of the jersey much, much more than about the name on the back. Right now I think DMC is one of the few chances the Kings have to become relevant again. I am not ready to toss him aside quite yet.

As Bricklayer pointed out, we got Webber because people gave up on him and wrote him off all too quickly. I will admit that I wasn't overjoyed about getting him in the first place. It only took seeing him in one game, however, for me to realize that he was a key to our becoming something special.

I honestly believe that Demarcus Cousins could end up being someone so special and unique that he could almost write Kings history by himself. You do not give up on a talent like that until you have totally exhausted every other option.

I do understand where you're coming from. At least you're not spouting vitriol and proclaiming him to be a total lost cause.

Bottom line, it's about the Kings. Always has been and always will be. And I think that's true for almost all of us who are sticking around here right now.

 

[TyFreak Evans]

I am not a DMC fan per se. For me it is about the name on the front of the jersey much, much more than about the name on the back. Right now I think DMC is one of the few chances the Kings have to become relevant again. I am not ready to toss him aside quite yet.

As Bricklayer pointed out, we got Webber because people gave up on him and wrote him off all too quickly. I will admit that I wasn't overjoyed about getting him in the first place. It only took seeing him in one game, however, for me to realize that he was a key to our becoming something special.

I honestly believe that Demarcus Cousins could end up being someone so special and unique that he could almost write Kings history by himself. You do not give up on a talent like that until you have totally exhausted every other option.

I do understand where you're coming from. At least you're not spouting vitriol and proclaiming him to be a total lost cause.

Bottom line, it's about the Kings. Always has been and always will be. And I think that's true for almost all of us who are sticking around here right now.

Oh, please don't get me wrong, because for me its about the same thing as well.

 

[panda]

I am a new Kings fan, don't have a hometown team to root for (or even a team from my former town) so I probably have an outsiders view of Cousins. He has a reputation for doing dumb things and he is lauded for being a Hall of Fame talent. I see this suspension as a business move by the NBA. Yes, it was harsh, but at the same time, it may be the only way to reign Cousins in. As a long term business decision to protect both the Kings and the leagues investment in him, it makes sense. He is a player the league could promote around as older stars retire, and its better that he gets suspended now than blackballed like Iverson, or become a hazard like Artest or have a complete breakdown like Rodman.

That said, the timing of the suspension was horrible.

 

[rhythmless]

He did it on purpose. He should have been fined but not suspended. The Kings shouldn't trade him. It is that simple.

Cosign

The next trade should be the owners.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Sometimes, you just need a darling owner so that the NBA would pamper you. But right now, I feel really bad for DMC for this kind of treatment because our front office and the Maloofs don't have the balls to counter-attack Stern and the crap referees.

If George Maloof was tough enough to say I freak'n lost sleep to review this arena deal and dump it in front of a bunch of people who are so willing to give them money and support for a new arena, an act of fuc**n up Stern and the NBA for treating his star like this should like chewing a gum for him.

If DMC would turn into Sheed 2.0 and keep getting ****ty calls and suspension, then let it be. But don't let him walk. He'll come in cheaper when signs that extension. But we all know there will be that golden year for him because you can't deny his talent. Our team is nowhere near those Jailblazers that gave up on Sheed.

 

[Prince_XY]

I'm not suggesting to ship him out for peanuts. If the right deal was there you'd take it. I would look to get a couple of nice players and maybe a pick. Something like Gortat, Dragic, and a pick for DMC and filler. I doubt the Suns would do it though!

I thought you'll come up with something involving a star like a Kevin Love (the next Webber/Barkley who want to be traded to another team) trade. Thank God you are not Petrie.