Could Donte Greene Be "The Next Peja (GOOD and BAD PEJA)"

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NCAA Weekly Performers, 3/6/08-- Part Two
March 7, 2008
While many of the elite members of this terrific freshman class have taken their game and their teams to an entirely new level as the regular season comes to a close, one of its most talented players—Donte Greene—has not shared the same fortune.

"Greene is still the same super-scoring oversized wing player oozing with NBA potential—standing 6-10 or possibly even 6-11, with a terrific frame, smooth athleticism, and uncommon mobility and coordination for a player his size. He seems to have hit a bit of a wall late in the season, though, after averaging over 35 minutes per game for 30 games now, as his team has been crippled by injuries and has basically nothing to turn to off the bench, and the fatigue now seems to be catching up". Syracuse looks to be outside the bubble at the moment, and will likely miss the NCAA tournament unless they string together a few wins in the Big East tournament.

"Greene has become more and more of a spot-up shooter as the year progresses, attempting over 50% of his shots from behind the arc on the season, but seeing his accuracy drop to a miserable 28.7% in 17 Big East conference games thus far 32.9% total (Peja fades in the post season, doesn't he?:confused:). At his size, Greene can get his shot off virtually whenever he pleases, which is precisely part of the problem, since he’s shown very little self-restraint. His 7.3 3-point attempts per game ranks him 3rd amongst all players on our 08 or 09 mock drafts".

"What’s ironic is that he actually has one of the prettier shots you’ll find in this draft, blessed with picture perfect mechanics, a high release point, and a very quick release (Peja does not have a quick release)". The problem is that his shot-selection has been poor, as he’s fallen into some of the same selfishness that has plagued his entire team in Big East play. Greene has been taking too many rushed, off-balance, contested shots as of late, not fully setting his feet, contorting his body unnecessarily, and thus not getting the kind of accuracy he enjoyed earlier in the season. Regardless of whether his shot has been falling, he’s continued to take them (he attempted sixteen 3-pointers in a single game a few weeks back), and thus has shot his team out of a few games.

their zone defense. He picks up a solid number of blocks and steals already within Syracuse’s zone. "There might be some question marks about how he’d be able to defend NBA small forwards, though, considering that he at times struggles to stay in front of players attacking him off the dribble, getting stuck flatfooted on the perimeter. He does have excellent size, length and a good frame, and seems to be a fairly smart player, so he should be able to become at least decent in this area down the road if he’s willing to commit himself".:eek::eek::eek:
 
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From Draft Express.com

NCAA Weekly Performers, 3/6/08-- Part Two
March 7, 2008
While many of the elite members of this terrific freshman class have taken their game and their teams to an entirely new level as the regular season comes to a close, one of its most talented players—Donte Greene—has not shared the same fortune.

"Greene is still the same super-scoring oversized wing player oozing with NBA potential—standing 6-10 or possibly even 6-11, with a terrific frame, smooth athleticism, and uncommon mobility and coordination for a player his size. He seems to have hit a bit of a wall late in the season, though, after averaging over 35 minutes per game for 30 games now, as his team has been crippled by injuries and has basically nothing to turn to off the bench, and the fatigue now seems to be catching up". Syracuse looks to be outside the bubble at the moment, and will likely miss the NCAA tournament unless they string together a few wins in the Big East tournament.

"Greene has become more and more of a spot-up shooter as the year progresses, attempting over 50% of his shots from behind the arc on the season, but seeing his accuracy drop to a miserable 28.7% in 17 Big East conference games thus far 32.9% total (Peja fades in the post season, doesn't he?:confused:). At his size, Greene can get his shot off virtually whenever he pleases, which is precisely part of the problem, since he’s shown very little self-restraint. His 7.3 3-point attempts per game ranks him 3rd amongst all players on our 08 or 09 mock drafts".

"What’s ironic is that he actually has one of the prettier shots you’ll find in this draft, blessed with picture perfect mechanics, a high release point, and a very quick release (Peja does not have a quick release)". The problem is that his shot-selection has been poor, as he’s fallen into some of the same selfishness that has plagued his entire team in Big East play. Greene has been taking too many rushed, off-balance, contested shots as of late, not fully setting his feet, contorting his body unnecessarily, and thus not getting the kind of accuracy he enjoyed earlier in the season. Regardless of whether his shot has been falling, he’s continued to take them (he attempted sixteen 3-pointers in a single game a few weeks back), and thus has shot his team out of a few games.

their zone defense. He picks up a solid number of blocks and steals already within Syracuse’s zone. "There might be some question marks about how he’d be able to defend NBA small forwards, though, considering that he at times struggles to stay in front of players attacking him off the dribble, getting stuck flatfooted on the perimeter. He does have excellent size, length and a good frame, and seems to be a fairly smart player, so he should be able to become at least decent in this area down the road if he’s willing to commit himself".:eek::eek::eek:

I'm not sure I get the point. He's a 19/20 year old kid. He's one year removed from highschool. He played on a strange team last year where he really didn't fit. He hasn't played a game in the NBA yet. So why are we even bringing this up?
 
I'm not sure I get the point. He's a 19/20 year old kid. He's one year removed from highschool. He played on a strange team last year where he really didn't fit. He hasn't played a game in the NBA yet. So why are we even bringing this up?

Because it is TDOS ;).
 
Yes Peja gets the ball out pretty quickly and no Greene isn't very similar to Peja from what I've seen, except for his height and shooting range. He's not a shooting machine like Peja, he's a good shooter but there's a difference between good and great.
 
As I recall, Kevin Martin used to take (and miss) a lot of rushed, non-squared-up shots. Apparently someone told him to stop that and he listened.

He does have excellent size, length and a good frame, and seems to be a fairly smart player, so he should be able to become at least decent in this area down the road if he’s willing to commit himself

Seriously... what scenario can you ask for that's better than that? He has the tools, he has to choose to commit himself and use them... like anyone else. We'll know in a few years if he did or not.
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I got a few questions. I have read his commitment and effort are iffy. How is this for a young unproven player? Is he already a millionaire?
 
I got a few questions. I have read his commitment and effort are iffy. How is this for a young unproven player? Is he already a millionaire?
First year salary for a player drafted where he was is said to be under a mill. Gotta bet uncle Sammy going to grab about 25% of that, and then there is the agent's cut....

http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm
 
The athleticism makes him more Rashard Lewis.
I definitely see more of a raw version of Rashard Lewis than anything to do with Peja. Greene has a lot to work on with his game, especially his shot selection and working within the flow of an offense, but I think Lewis is a good comparison of his possible upside if he can put it together.
 
I definitely see more of a raw version of Rashard Lewis than anything to do with Peja. Greene has a lot to work on with his game, especially his shot selection and working within the flow of an offense, but I think Lewis is a good comparison of his possible upside if he can put it together.

Yah I like the Rashard Comparison too..Hes so young, with huge potential, the biggest thing about him is his flaws are very correctable with good coaching and a good work ethic. His shot selection will improve when he learns our system. Hopefully K-Marts work ethic rubs off on the kid and he can improve at the quick rate kev has in his career.
 
I'm not sure I get the point. He's a 19/20 year old kid. He's one year removed from highschool. He played on a strange team last year where he really didn't fit. He hasn't played a game in the NBA yet. So why are we even bringing this up?

I was just noticing some of the similarities. Not saying this kid is this player or that player. i just read this report and noticed the striking similarities.
 
Greene is an interesting prospect that I am excited about. I dont know how the Peja comparisons came up though. He will take a few years to get into the flow of the NBA game. Like someone else said though, if he is a coachable player, he could be a nice option for this team. I really believe that Thompson will shine before Greene. He seems to be more NBA ready and is mentally at that point. That's one of the good things about getting a kid that has been through 4 years of the college game and has had to earn everything he gets.
 
I've been away for several days, and am only hearing the news now. So is Donte officially the other player in the deal? If so, I like it. I'm one of the only people that has actually stated that I liked this guy before the draft (as far as I know). I like his potential.
 
I've been away for several days, and am only hearing the news now. So is Donte officially the other player in the deal? If so, I like it. I'm one of the only people that has actually stated that I liked this guy before the draft (as far as I know). I like his potential.


Ahhh, I think there were quite a few people that liked Greene. Its just that some of us liked some other players better. That, at least for me, had to do with position more than talent. I thought the Kings needed a PF, and Greene is a SF. Now if all the players I wanted first were gone,( a very remote possiblilty), then Greene was my first choice at SF.
 
Some of you guys are acting like it would be a bad thing if Greene became the next Peja! I for one would be VERY happy. If you get someone that was picked up at 28 in the draft turn into a 20ppg player and occasional All-Star you have done an exceptional job.

If Greene does become the next Peja and we get a good player with Houston's pick we would have well and truly won this trade. Greene being as good as in his prime Peja would be VERY VERY good for us.
 
Some of you guys are acting like it would be a bad thing if Greene became the next Peja! I for one would be VERY happy. If you get someone that was picked up at 28 in the draft turn into a 20ppg player and occasional All-Star you have done an exceptional job.

If Greene does become the next Peja and we get a good player with Houston's pick we would have well and truly won this trade. Greene being as good as in his prime Peja would be VERY VERY good for us.


Exactly it would be a steal if Greene turned out to be of Pedja quality
 
We'll see what happens. From what I remember of Big East play, he did not fare well against several teams. I know he fouled out of one of the ND games, which is pretty interesting considering Syracuse mostly runs a zone.
To his (Greene's) benefit, though, he's extremely young, and I think if Theus is looking to run and gun, that should play to the strengths of our younger frontcourt, especially with the way the bigs can handle the ball.
 
A couple of problems that will limit Greene's development early on:

1) Log jam at the 3:

Salmons will be highly coveted during the trade deadline, there might a good chance to get a trade exemption or potential protected draft pick in the future if he plays well until then. Especially for $5 mill, he's a bargain. He doesn't fit into the what the kings are trying to do, he's already a developed role player at the 3 while the kings need to develop a starter.

Garcia: He's not proven but everyone's seen his potential. If he can develop, there is a very strong likelihood that the kings will resign him. But until then, he's still an unknown comodity.

2) Reggie's Reluctance: Reggie is all about winning. Look at how much he played mikey moore. I think hawes could of easily played more early on if Reggie wasn't adamant about playing Moore. So we'll see how long it takes until reggie trusts greene enough to play more minutes. He's young and that's what he needs. We alll remember martin and peja in their first years (those were the 2 best players this team has developed via the draft). The obviously struggled to play but did get chances. Yah, they were not great but you could see the improvement with playing time. The first year is goign to be a wash, no matter what. that's to be expected.

Once Miller is traded, it's gonna be a fun to watch. They will truly be able to run.
 
Other than the shooting, they play very different sorts of games. Its not a very accurate comparison. Peja had poor physical skills, and made up for it by playing with his head. He ran off screens, cut back door, spotted up, took only smart shots, and generally did all the things he could to make up for his lack of one on one ability. He was also essentially a weenie and did not want to get dirty.

Greene, as far as can be told at this early stage of his development, is considerably different. He's athletic (a big difference), creates his own shots, forces his own shots, a LOT, doesn't show that understanding of how to use screens, cut back door etc., and if he's lazy/soft on the glass/defense its because he thnks he can get away with it, rather than necessarily any weeniness. And while he chucked up a lot of long bombs last year and has a nice looking stroke, its not Peja nice, and the shot selection and mentality is miles away. In many ways Greene has less of a chance of ever being as "good" as Peja, but more of a chance to maybe be great. Peja was a mega-roleplayer. Coudln't create for himself, but knew how to use, and depended upon, his teammates. Greene is a different sort of animal -- a potential star who can create for himself, but if he falls short of stardom, a less useful piece than the mega-roleplayer who played wihtin himself and the system.

And as far as PT -- Greene is 19 on a team with too many bodies at his position. He's got a lot of developing to do, and is likely to be restricted to spot minutes in his first year.
 
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