Coaching Candidate: Michael Cooper
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It's implied in what he says in saying that he can never go past the 2nd round, I can only assume he's basing that on Cooper's previous experience (unless he's looking into a crystal ball or something). I'm just saying there's nothing about Cooper (or Adelman) to gaurantee they won't win more than 50 games or get past the second round.
Again this issue has to be seperated.
RA is gone... Apparently the Maloofs did not have a plan after that. Since RA and them could not further co-exist on the surface it seems like the right decision.
The Maloofs did not fire RA to get any coach, WNBA, NBADL, NCAA cause they apparently have no plan. That is the part that I am most bothered by.
That aside...
Why are you knocking WNBA coaches? What I find funny is a lot of peeps would not say one thing bad if we got Laimbeer. He is a WNBA coach so what is the difference with him?
RA is gone... Apparently the Maloofs did not have a plan after that. Since RA and them could not further co-exist on the surface it seems like the right decision.
The Maloofs did not fire RA to get any coach, WNBA, NBADL, NCAA cause they apparently have no plan. That is the part that I am most bothered by.
That aside...
Why are you knocking WNBA coaches? What I find funny is a lot of peeps would not say one thing bad if we got Laimbeer. He is a WNBA coach so what is the difference with him?
I wouldn't be too happy with Laimbeer either but I see your point. I'm not saying that they can't coach, but if the Kings were to hire one they would be under intense scrutiny. If the former WNBA coach failed, the Kings would be seen from around the league as making a huge blunder. I also think it would be harder for a WNBA coach to have the authority that he would need. Some players, not all, would probably discard any discipline that any WNBA coach tried to dole out. Plus the Sacramento 'Queens' moniker would return!
Both Coop and Laimbeer won multiple championships in the NBA. Is your only problem with them is that they were WNBA coaches?? At least they both won championships in that league also. Most coaches in the NBA were once players too...as is the case with both of these guys...who just happened to coach in the WNBA, ( both won titles there also). You wouldn't think that would be a negative.
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there is a big difference between the wnba and the d league. and money and ego is a big part of it. that said, yes Cooper has had success in the wnba and d-league, but if you look at just about every head coach in the nba today they have had success in other leagues, whether it be collegiate or overseas. which is to say it gets a person into the nba door but doesn't really mean succes at the nba level.
now as far as Adelman. i liked him, a lot. his departure was definitely premature. i realize however that the maloofs for whatever reason had lost confidence in him. an since they ultimately have the power to hire and fire, ive moved on. in no way did i imply that Adelman was a guarantee to fall in the first rounds of the playoffs, you rather inferred that. when i said "[Cooper is] a 45-50 win coach at best for our team, and then done in the first or second round of playoffs. BAsically what Adelman almost would guarantee.", i meant Cooper's "at best" was a virtual Adelman guarantee, not Adelman's best.
just to finish off my point, i put Adelman into the category of superego coach. now he doesn't do it in the maniacal feverish way of say a larry brown, but he still imposes his will on the team, either through his rotations or style of play.
now as far as Adelman. i liked him, a lot. his departure was definitely premature. i realize however that the maloofs for whatever reason had lost confidence in him. an since they ultimately have the power to hire and fire, ive moved on. in no way did i imply that Adelman was a guarantee to fall in the first rounds of the playoffs, you rather inferred that. when i said "[Cooper is] a 45-50 win coach at best for our team, and then done in the first or second round of playoffs. BAsically what Adelman almost would guarantee.", i meant Cooper's "at best" was a virtual Adelman guarantee, not Adelman's best.
just to finish off my point, i put Adelman into the category of superego coach. now he doesn't do it in the maniacal feverish way of say a larry brown, but he still imposes his will on the team, either through his rotations or style of play.
I don't really care who you guys hire....I just don't think you should discount them just because they coached in the WNBA. (Which was the impression I got from your post.) None of the 4 that you mentioned ever coached a team to a championship of any kind, as far as I know. Do they sound "more suitable" because they didn't coach in the WNBA??
You're way off base. Michael Cooper won multiple title in the NBA as a player. He would command respect.
Further, as has been noted, he was an interim coach in Denver last year for a few games. I never once heard rumblings about players not listening to him because he once coached the WNBA.
Basketball is basketball. I don't watch the WNBA, but coaching is coaching. Leave the sexist undertones out of it.
Um...for those who did not follow Bill Laimbeer in the WNBA, the year after Detroit won the championship, his team followed up with a .500 record and lost in the first round of the playoffs in 2004, then finished below .500 in 2005. At their low point last year they got beaten by our own Monarchs by 40 points! And they arguably had the most talented team in the women's league. He's also a technical waiting to happen pretty much every night and complains after every call that doesn't go his team's way. If you have to put WNBA coaches on the list, he should be at the very bottom of the people considered.
I again think the real key is having some coaching experience in the NBA at some level -- not the WNBA, not the kid's league, but actually having been wround the NBA atmosphere, players, and ego. Coaching is NOT coaching -- the list of great college coaches for instance who were never able to make the jump is near endless. Being a coach in the WNBA obviously should not be any sort of disqualifier. But ONLY being a coach in the WNBA, should. Different world. Entirely different class of athlete, ego, spotlight etc.
Whisenant is being interviewed by the Rise Guys right now. Pretty good so far, Whisenant made a pretty funny comment about Peja. The Rise Guys said something about Petrie not having to worry about losing players to pregnancy like the Monarchs have. He said, "Well...I don't know about Peja." It looks like he won't coach the Kings from the interview so far and from the article in the paper today. He said he is happy with what he's got now, so I think you can scratch him off the list.
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Brick,
Following your logic, would you say the current coach of the Cavs (name escapes me) would have more "experience" with the NBA mentality than Michael Cooper? In effect, because of that he would be a better candidate to coach fellows like Ron Artest and Bonzi than Michael Cooper? I still think Cooper would know how to deal with egos, etc from his vast experience with enormous ego-types like Magic and Jabbar.
I know his nba experience drawing X's and O's is less, but he sure had a lot time as a player on very good teams for very good coaches.
I suppose my attachment to Coop is the Artest factor. I just could see him getting along with a guy who Larry Bird said was the best defensive player he ever faced.
Following your logic, would you say the current coach of the Cavs (name escapes me) would have more "experience" with the NBA mentality than Michael Cooper? In effect, because of that he would be a better candidate to coach fellows like Ron Artest and Bonzi than Michael Cooper? I still think Cooper would know how to deal with egos, etc from his vast experience with enormous ego-types like Magic and Jabbar.
I know his nba experience drawing X's and O's is less, but he sure had a lot time as a player on very good teams for very good coaches.
I suppose my attachment to Coop is the Artest factor. I just could see him getting along with a guy who Larry Bird said was the best defensive player he ever faced.
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As with Vlade, DC. I was always torn having them on the roster. Great guys and all but they were in fact Lakers always prevented me from absolutely loving them. Scott was a Laker player. .....
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So to answer your Q hoopsie.... Yes. Kinda ... sorta. In other words.....
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i'll pass.