[CLE/SAS] The Finals

The 2007 NBA Champions will be...


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Well, personally, I'd still vote Duncan as the MP3, but I certainly wouldn't disagree with Parker getting it with the way he's been playing.

EDIT - Especially if he's not going to miss a shot in the deciding game. :eek:
 
Lebron may have already given up...he just let Parker go one-on-one on a break in the middle of the floor without doing more than reaching out to try to provide help defense.
 
And at this point, the question I have for twenty-two people that voted for Cleveland in this poll: did you vote for the Cavs because you actually thought they were going to win, or did you just vote for them because you wanted them to win?
 
Cavs can't make any layups, and Lebron is struggling from the free throw line...I really just wanted the NBA season to extend another game (if not two), but I'm not hopeful that it will happen at this point.
 
the more I watch this game, the more frustrated I get with how inferior the Cavs are to the Spurs. I also think the Pistons could have taken at least a game or two from the Spurs and made this NBA season a little longer.

Edit: curse Daniel Gibson for deciding to be a player in the ECF, but having very little success in this series.
 
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I did not read this whole thread - sorry if this is repetitive.

I am astonished that the 05-06 Kings gave the Spurs a better run in the first round than the Cavs have been able to in the Finals this year. Truly mindboggling.
 
The solution to the almost every couple of years championship final dud is to reseed at the end of the season the entire 16 team field into one round robin tournament. An Eastern Conf champ and Western Conf champ would be declared based on the regular season 82 game season with the eventual NBA overall league champion facing MUCH stiffer competition all the way to end.
 
I did not read this whole thread - sorry if this is repetitive.

I am astonished that the 05-06 Kings gave the Spurs a better run in the first round than the Cavs have been able to in the Finals this year. Truly mindboggling.

Although the Kings didn't beat the 3-time champions, which is why Adelman needed to go. :rolleyes: Seriously, though...Duncan, if I recall correctly, was not at full strength that year. Plus, if Kevin Martin's shot doesn't go in, the Spurs probably sweep us.
 
I hope the Spurs win tonight so we can interview P.J. Carlesimo and our coaching search will be one step closer to being over. Yes, I'm being selfish.
 
The solution to the almost every couple of years championship final dud is to reseed at the end of the season the entire 16 team field into one round robin tournament. An Eastern Conf champ and Western Conf champ would be declared based on the regular season 82 game season with the eventual NBA overall league champion facing MUCH stiffer competition all the way to end.


Just leave it alone at some point it will even out. In Jordan's days it was all about the east, now its the west. Give the leauge a few more years and it will be all about the east again, with all those young teams out there the tide will turn.
 
Just leave it alone at some point it will even out. In Jordan's days it was all about the east, now its the west. Give the leauge a few more years and it will be all about the east again, with all those young teams out there the tide will turn.

Well, both Oden and Durant are going West this year...
 
Just leave it alone at some point it will even out. In Jordan's days it was all about the east, now its the west. Give the leauge a few more years and it will be all about the east again, with all those young teams out there the tide will turn.

Of course, that's the reality of the league from the founding of the NBA. The point is, if you had an all inclusive tournament reseed you would still have an east and west division champion but it would be more contested to win the trophy at the end. In other words, it would be more like college basketball where there are conference champs but it all gets reseeded into a 64 team (or technically 65) tourney to crown an NCAA champion.
 
Well, both Oden and Durant are going West this year...

But the east has far more rebuilding young teams; Alt, char, Bos, Orlando, Bulls, Bucks, Tor, Phili, and don't forget about Miami and Cleveland with their stars of Lebron and Wade. Their GM's just needs to give them a better supporting cast.

The West only has NO, Por, Memhis, Seattle and maybe the Kings. I don't know want the hell Min is doing, but they need to trade KG and starting building for the future because they ain't going anwhere fast currently.
 
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The point is, if you had an all inclusive tournament reseed you would still have an east and west division champion but it would be more contested to win the trophy at the end.


Actaully, that's not how it would work.

People keep saying that, but they aren't thinkng this through.

If you added all the East and West teams together into one mega-bracket for the title, the road for the East teams would get much MUCH tougher. Indeed their chances would be slim to none. But the road for the West teams would on average get EASIER since instead of having to come out of a concentrated West bracket with maybe 6 of the league's top 8 teams in it, they would now be facing easier competition maybe every round but the last one. In round 1 Dallas no longer has to worry about Golden State, they get Orlando. In round 2 the Spurs (3rd seed) are maybe looking at a matchup vs. the winner of the 6th/11th series between Utah and maybe New Jersey or somebody rather than running into the Suns.


I find this all amusing, because these playoffs started off with a very exciting bang, and all the upsets and drama and whatnot that people love. But the funny thing about upsets is that they eventually create awful mismatches down the road. A nd so now the same people who thought upsets wee cool and fun (they are) are decrying how awful the end result of those upsets is, and looking for ways to outlaw them.

These crappy series for the Spurs are the direct result of a very fun #8 knocking off a #1 series in Dal/G.S. (thus opening the door for Utah), and an ugly upset by the Cavs over Detroit punctuated by a legendary playoff performance by LeBron. Short of simply not allowing upsets and mandating that the best teams win every series, there is no system which is going to create good matchups when lesser teams knock off their betters. That's just the nature of upsets.
 
Of course, that's the reality of the league from the founding of the NBA. The point is, if you had an all inclusive tournament reseed you would still have an east and west division champion but it would be more contested to win the trophy at the end. In other words, it would be more like college basketball where there are conference champs but it all gets reseeded into a 64 team (or technically 65) tourney to crown an NCAA champion.

I don't like the idea of going the college why, it would be like moving the 3 point line closer in to solve the shooting whoes of the nba. The NBA and NCAA are two different leauges and have their own idenity, i really don't like the idea making the two alike. But i like the idea of reseeding the teams right after the the first round.

To me I think us fans like to over blow thing when big events happen and want to change things when some things should be left unchanged, example the Draft Lottery.
 
Since VF closed my Finals prediction thread, I wanted to congratulate Piksi and coolhandluke for being the only two to correctly predict the Spurs over Cavs before the playoffs even started. Nice job!
 
Here's what got me started on this reseed biz

Time to fix the NBA playoffs

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons

Jun. 13, 2007 | feedback
We'll remember the 2007 NBA playoffs for seven reasons:
1. LeBron's 48 Special.
2. Oakland's dynamic crowds and Dallas' collapse during the Warriors-Mavs series.
3. The Stoudemire/Diaw suspensions and subsequent fallout.
4. May 22.
5. The day Kobe went schizo on us.
6. The greatest Spurs team of the Duncan era; and ...
7. A dreadful Finals that was so predictable and plodding, fans were much more interested in trade talk and draft speculation.
Now, I've already written about 1 through 6 (see the corresponding links). But No. 7 has to be one of the weirdest subplots in recent sports history. We've reached a point with the NBA when its offseason somehow became more interesting than its actual season. I have no idea what this means. I have no idea how to interpret this information. For whatever reason, people are more interested in figuring out how the Suns will win the 2008 title over how the Spurs are winning the 2007 title. They're more interested in wondering what the Celtics will do with the No. 5 pick versus the Duncan/Parker battle for Finals MVP. They're more interested in figuring out how Cleveland will find help for LeBron in 2008 than the help he's getting right now.
Here's the easy explanation: Anyone who understands basketball realized by the 10-minute mark of Game 2 that Cleveland was completely outclassed in this series. (Not to toot my own horn, but I tried to warn you before Game 1. All right, I guess that was some tooting. But I did try to warn you.) By the time the Spurs extended their lead to the high 20s and Mike Breen started sobbing on-air that he had been stuck with so many lousy playoff games while Dick Freaking Stockton got to call the Mavs-Warriors series, the 2006-07 season, for all intent and purpose, had been rammed with a giant pitchfork like the one Jason Voorhees used in "Friday the 13th 3D." So it was natural for everyone to start thinking about the summer, free agency, the draft and everything else.
At the same time, we've reached a point that the off-court stuff has become consistently more fascinating. Tuesday morning, I wasn't sure whether Game 3 of the Spurs-Cavs series would be good, but I definitely knew hoopshype.com's NBA Rumors page would give me 20-25 minutes of enjoyable links and rumors. When a buddy from Boston called, we spent 20 seconds talking about the Finals and 20 minutes talking about the draft. Late Tuesday night, I realized that I'm between 10 and 200 times more interested in seeing how the Suns will handle their luxury tax problems than how Mike Brown will solve Cleveland's scoring problems before Game 4.
When you think about it, there's really no parallel to this phenomenon in sports or pop culture. Baseball peaks with the playoffs and World Series. Football peaks with the playoffs and Super Bowl. Golf peaks with the Masters and the U.S. Open. Television peaks with the season finale of a show. Movies peak when the movie is released. Music peaks when the album is released. So when does the NBA peak? Certainly, not during the Finals -- the ratings keep dropping and we've had two genuinely entertaining Finals (2000 and 2006) since MJ retired. Couldn't you make the case that it peaks at the end of June, on the days leading up to the draft, when there's a flurry of trade rumors, mock drafts, free agent rumors and everything else?
Apparently, we've reached the point in the NBA that it's more enjoyable to watch GMs tinker with their teams than watching those teams actually play. Isn't this a major, major, MAJOR problem? You could even call it a crisis, right? When writers and radio hosts brought up the topic of blowing up the playoffs and changing the seeding process, for once, it didn't seem like one of those radical/inane/unrealistic suggestions that was thrown out there just to get people talking during a dead sports week. We need to blow this thing up and start over. We do. The current playoff infrastructure has failed.
Here are the three biggest problems:
1. Once the league's reckless (repeat: reckless) expansion pushed the number of teams past the mid-20s, it became too easy for one conference to be stacked with elite teams. David Stern has argued multiple times that this stuff evens out over time, but clearly, that's not true. We've had much better teams in the West for nearly a full decade; in eight of the past 10 seasons, the best two teams played before the Finals, and in four of those seasons, they played before the conference finals. Um ... that's not a major flaw in the system?
We saw this imbalance from 1980 to 1989, when there were always 3-4 great teams in the East (the Celtics, Sixers and Bucks dominated the first half, then the Celtics, Pistons, Bulls, Hawks and Cavs took turns in the second half) and the Lakers whupped up a different underdog in the Western finals almost every year. But here was the big difference: Because the league hadn't killed itself with expansion and there were so many salary cap loopholes, the Lakers were always really good. They went nine-deep with two franchise players (Magic and Kareem), an All-Star (Worthy), great role players and a rotating cast of accomplished veterans passing through for a ring. Because such a great/memorable/entertaining team was carrying the West in the '80s, nobody cared that the conferences were unbalanced. Now? We care. We don't have Magic's Lakers to salvage things.
2. Once upon a time, the NBA created conferences to cut down on everyone's travel -- not just to save expenses but to save the bodies of its players (all of whom were flying coach). Even now, it's a reasonable strategy for the regular season. But for the playoffs? Not nearly as reasonable. Everyone's flying around in charter jets, for God's sake! If we adopted the 2-3-2 format for every playoff series -- which should happen, anyway -- travel time and days would be cut back. So you can't play the "too much traveling" card. Not in 2007.
3. There's a rigid predictability to the playoffs every spring that we don't necessarily need. For instance, one of the reasons the Mavs-Warriors series was so much fun was because it came out of nowhere. Shouldn't we be searching for that "what a goofy matchup!" variable every spring? Why do we want to subject ourselves to a solid decade of Cavs-Bulls or Cavs-Heat series in the East? Isn't the unpredictability and randomness part of what makes March Madness so great?
Anyway, Warriors announcer Bob Fitzgerald made two radical proposals in his blog recently: One for realigning the conferences (not as pressing of an issue), and one for turning the playoffs into a straight 16-team bracket, almost like the Sweet 16 for March Madness, where seeds are awarded by win-loss records (so Dallas would have been No. 1 this spring, Phoenix would have been No. 2 and the Clips would have been No. 16). Please know that (A) I loved this idea and will always be ticked off that somebody else thought of it, and (B) John Hollinger beat me to the punch on Monday with his own version of how he'd handle the reseeding. Anyway, I chewed on the concept, chewed on it some more ... and decided that I'd tinker with Bob's renegade idea in the following ways:
• The top six teams from each conference still make the playoffs, only because we need the conference alignments to mean something.
• The team with the best record gets the No. 1 seed; the best team in the other conference gets the No. 2 seed. Every other seed is up for grabs. For this season, Dallas would have been No. 1, Detroit No. 2, Phoenix No. 3. and San Antonio No. 4. None of those teams could have played one another until the conference finals. Now that, my friends, is a good thing.
• For the No. 13-16 playoff spots, the league adopts my antitanking idea (from my April 23 magazine column):
"Shorten the regular season by four games, guarantee the top six seeds in each conference, then have a double-elimination tourney for the seventh and eighth seeds between the remaining ... teams. I suggest this for five reasons. First, it would be entertaining as hell. In fact, that's what we'll call it: the Entertaining-as-Hell Tournament. Second, I'm pretty sure we could get it sponsored. Third, the top 12 teams get a reward: two weeks of rest while the tournament plays out.
"Fourth, a Cinderella squad could pull off some upsets, grab an eighth seed and win fans along the way. And fifth, with the Entertaining-as-Hell Tournament giving everyone a chance, no team could tank down the stretch without insulting paying customers beyond repair."
Is there any downside for that idea? Lottery teams couldn't tank down the stretch and sideline their best players with dubious injuries. Playoff teams get two weeks of rest and practice so they'll be running on all cylinders in the playoffs. And if that's not enough, the Entertaining-as-Hell Tournament would be entertaining as hell, wouldn't it? Then, when the real playoffs started, we'd have a wide-open, 16-team bracket in which (A) the top-four teams couldn't play each other until the conference finals, (B) the matchups would be completely unpredictable, and (C) the bracket even would lend itself to a few illegal office pools (with the Finals MVP as the tiebreaker).
In fact, I can see one reason why this would never happen, and only one: if David Stern and the rest of the NBA decision-makers were too stubborn to admit that we need a radical change. Well, we do. Anyone who doesn't believe this should be sentenced to watch the game-deciding play of Game 3 -- you know, the one during which Anderson Varejao thought it was a good idea to attempt an out-of-control spin move against one of the best defensive players of the past 15 years -- on an endless loop for the rest of the summer. Cleveland had no business being in the 2007 Finals. None. That's why I'm one of the 19 biggest basketball fans on the planet and, yet, I care more about the 2007 draft than the 2007 Finals.
We need to fix this. Immediately.
 
Bill Simmons often trips over his own confusion as to whether he's an entertainer or a sportswriter, but god help me if I didnt actually like his "entertaining as hell" idea for anti-tanking/the last 4 playoff teams.

Of course the dificulty would be that it might inspire MORE tanking. In other words, if eveyr tewqam, no matter how bad during the year, was going to get ot participate in a season ending mega-tourney to sneak into the playoffs, then the appropriate response would be to go ahead and lose, lose, and lose some more before said tournament, go ahead and give it your best shot during the tournament. Either sneak into the polayoffs through the tournament, or if you fall short, be lined up for a top pick. All it would really do is give the tankers a chacne to have their cake and eat it too.
 
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And at this point, the question I have for twenty-two people that voted for Cleveland in this poll: did you vote for the Cavs because you actually thought they were going to win, or did you just vote for them because you wanted them to win?
A little from column A, a little from column B :) I thought the matchup wouldn't at least be as lopsided as this.

Oh well, congratulations for the Spurs team (no matter how bad I feel saying it) and fans. Cleveland was beat fair and square, and this team is still on it's way up.

Let loose the dogs of the offseason.
 
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And at this point, the question I have for twenty-two people that voted for Cleveland in this poll: did you vote for the Cavs because you actually thought they were going to win, or did you just vote for them because you wanted them to win?

I voted for Cleveland because they aren't from Texas.
 
Okay... not being from California, I suppose I can't relate; I have no opinion on Texas, one way or the other. Hell, my mom's favorite uncle lives in Texas...
 
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