GeorgeofSacramento
Bench
Remember that urban legend about Arco being built atop an old Indian burial ground? It must have extended beneath the Training Facility, too.
Cisco fractures right forearm.
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PurpleHaze
All-Star
If it were Artest he'd probably try to come back in a couple weeks. Cisco's a tough guy but I bet he's out 7-8 weeks minimum. Probably misses first month of the regular season for sure. With the Kings glut of swingmen everyone just moves up on the depth chart.
kennadog
Dog On It!
I swear we must be the team with the most unexpected injuries. Ostertag tripping and falling in the dark at home and breaking his hand. Brad breaking a leg going up for a lay-up in practice. Now exploding physioballs. Other, too,that I can't remember. Weird.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
well this sucks.. i was looking forward to seeing garcia, tyreke and martin gain some chemistry on the court together. but their are positives.. Omri will now get a chance.. Im thinking Mason will be our starter and we will bring Noc off the bench now.
ParniValjak
All-Star
And so it begins!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You have to be kidding.
I was wondering how he had managed to break both bones in the arm lifting weights -- whether he has just let that machismo thing get the better of him and tried to lift far too much, whether somebody had dropped a 45lb plate on his arm or what. But your physio ball popping? Indian burial ground stuff there.
As an aside, I've done that one (both bones forearm), long time ago when I was a kid. It smarts. His forearm is going to come out of that cast looking about the size of one of the dance team member's. Might be able to keep some of the upper arm strength, but only if the trainers are comfortable letting him use that cast as a lever point.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And yes, I saw Cisco as the only SF option who could help out a struggling ballhandling tandem in Reke/Kevin. Now about the only way to do it is to take advanatge of Beno's size and play him some at OG next to Reke. But then, whereto Kevin? And don't tell me to SF (next to Beno no less) or I will vomit.
Thinking positively, if Desmond can jsut miss a little more time wiht the back, should finally open up some minutes for the Donte/Casspi tandem though.
Thinking positively, if Desmond can jsut miss a little more time wiht the back, should finally open up some minutes for the Donte/Casspi tandem though.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Tyreke is a pretty big dude with long arms. im sure he can guard most SF's in the league. So we could play Beno Martin Tyreke at the same time and not really have defensive problems.
HighTopKicks
Bench
I thought we already decided that Tyreke was backup up Hawes.
Come on, what's the point of moving him to his worst position, if we end up having Beno as our starting PG. Don't we have enough SF's still, that we can keep Tyreke at the 1 or 2.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
ummmmm Tyreke can still run the point, While Beno plays off the ball. Tyreke is not going to be able to handle the ball all by himself and do ALL the playmaking . Garcia was an option to help this. now hes gone. So we look at the next option. Beno. Just cuz Tyrekes not guarding the opposing PG dosent meen hes not playing the point position for us.
edit: im not talking about beno tyreke and martin as a starting line up either.. im just saying those three can work together on the court.
I would much rather have beno come off the bench.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
Been thinking about this for a little while prior to Cisco breaking his arm. To my mind, the only player with a long team contract that doesn't really fit as part of the rebuild is Nocioni. Simply because of his age. Yeah, I know that Mason is older, but he only has a one year contract. So if you remove Noc from the equation, that means at the moment the long term fix comes down to either Greene or Casspi.
Greene has one year of NBA experience for what thats worth, and Casspi has four years of professional experience in europe. On appearence alone, Casspi looks more experienced on the floor. In two preseason games he made the most of his minutes and made a difference in the game. Granted, Greene didn't play in the second game, and maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe not. But in the first game Greene didn't play badly, but he did little to impact the game. That could also be said for all of last season.
So I would be fine with starting Casspi. Portland worked Batum into their starting lineup last year and did just fine. Mason can back up the SG position and the SF position. I will admit that the outside shooting would suffer with Mason at the SG position, but the defense would improve. I'm sure there would be some hicups along the way, but it could be worth it to get a year of experience under his belt.
Casspi reminds me of Ginobili in style of play. He'll give you nightmare's on occasion, and then bring you out of your seat pumping your fist in the air. And please, I'm not saying he's the next Ginobili. I'm simply comparing how they play the game. With reckless abandon. It'll drive you nuts at times, but it is exciting to watch. And if you can't win enough to go to the playoffs, then exciting to watch isn't bad.
Greene has one year of NBA experience for what thats worth, and Casspi has four years of professional experience in europe. On appearence alone, Casspi looks more experienced on the floor. In two preseason games he made the most of his minutes and made a difference in the game. Granted, Greene didn't play in the second game, and maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe not. But in the first game Greene didn't play badly, but he did little to impact the game. That could also be said for all of last season.
So I would be fine with starting Casspi. Portland worked Batum into their starting lineup last year and did just fine. Mason can back up the SG position and the SF position. I will admit that the outside shooting would suffer with Mason at the SG position, but the defense would improve. I'm sure there would be some hicups along the way, but it could be worth it to get a year of experience under his belt.
Casspi reminds me of Ginobili in style of play. He'll give you nightmare's on occasion, and then bring you out of your seat pumping your fist in the air. And please, I'm not saying he's the next Ginobili. I'm simply comparing how they play the game. With reckless abandon. It'll drive you nuts at times, but it is exciting to watch. And if you can't win enough to go to the playoffs, then exciting to watch isn't bad.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Been thinking about this for a little while prior to Cisco breaking his arm. To my mind, the only player with a long team contract that doesn't really fit as part of the rebuild is Nocioni. Simply because of his age. Yeah, I know that Mason is older, but he only has a one year contract. So if you remove Noc from the equation, that means at the moment the long term fix comes down to either Greene or Casspi.
Greene has one year of NBA experience for what thats worth, and Casspi has four years of professional experience in europe. On appearence alone, Casspi looks more experienced on the floor. In two preseason games he made the most of his minutes and made a difference in the game. Granted, Greene didn't play in the second game, and maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe not. But in the first game Greene didn't play badly, but he did little to impact the game. That could also be said for all of last season.
So I would be fine with starting Casspi. Portland worked Batum into their starting lineup last year and did just fine. Mason can back up the SG position and the SF position. I will admit that the outside shooting would suffer with Mason at the SG position, but the defense would improve. I'm sure there would be some hicups along the way, but it could be worth it to get a year of experience under his belt.
Casspi reminds me of Ginobili in style of play. He'll give you nightmare's on occasion, and then bring you out of your seat pumping your fist in the air. And please, I'm not saying he's the next Ginobili. I'm simply comparing how they play the game. With reckless abandon. It'll drive you nuts at times, but it is exciting to watch. And if you can't win enough to go to the playoffs, then exciting to watch isn't bad.
It does sound appealing baja. Batum really thrived in that role too, kinda as a scrappy role player at first till he found his niche. I can see the same thing happening with Omri because Omris willing to rebound, hustle and bring energy when he plays. And his ball handling is better then I expected it to be. I dont see how this can hurt us at all. It will only give Om the confidence he needs to become better. I'm gonna have to join this bandwagon right away while its fresh
Of course this is all depending on how long Cisco will be out for. Who knows he might be back by close to the start of the season.
jcassio
Starter
What is it with the sarcasm?
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I think his teamates should give Cisco a wide berth if he's down on that bench this year. He might have an Arco light fall on him while watching the game. Here's a guy who badly sprains his ankle when he tries to get a ball dislodged, coming down on Miller's foot. Now he has a physio ball pop on him - unheard of. The guy is a magnet for freak accidents. Unbelievable.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Been thinking about this for a little while prior to Cisco breaking his arm. To my mind, the only player with a long team contract that doesn't really fit as part of the rebuild is Nocioni. Simply because of his age. Yeah, I know that Mason is older, but he only has a one year contract. So if you remove Noc from the equation, that means at the moment the long term fix comes down to either Greene or Casspi.
Greene has one year of NBA experience for what thats worth, and Casspi has four years of professional experience in europe. On appearence alone, Casspi looks more experienced on the floor. In two preseason games he made the most of his minutes and made a difference in the game. Granted, Greene didn't play in the second game, and maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe not. But in the first game Greene didn't play badly, but he did little to impact the game. That could also be said for all of last season.
So I would be fine with starting Casspi. Portland worked Batum into their starting lineup last year and did just fine. Mason can back up the SG position and the SF position. I will admit that the outside shooting would suffer with Mason at the SG position, but the defense would improve. I'm sure there would be some hicups along the way, but it could be worth it to get a year of experience under his belt.
Casspi reminds me of Ginobili in style of play. He'll give you nightmare's on occasion, and then bring you out of your seat pumping your fist in the air. And please, I'm not saying he's the next Ginobili. I'm simply comparing how they play the game. With reckless abandon. It'll drive you nuts at times, but it is exciting to watch. And if you can't win enough to go to the playoffs, then exciting to watch isn't bad.
I'm not going to be surprised if Casspi has a lot of starts this year, or at least a lot of minutes. For one, it's probably 50-50 at best that Mason stays injury free this year. That leaves a lot of minutes at the three. If Greene can just mentally start getting it, he too should get minutes. Garcia is definitely going to be missed on this team, especially his outside shooting.
Kings Faithful
Starter
I like the Casspi Starting Idea. Were not exactly high on the power rankings so I don't see how starting Omri could hurt anything. Regarding Mason, I think the guy will work out. I saw him during the open practice. He brings something we sorely need... athleticism and the ability to dunk.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
whats sarcastic about that tyreke is the same size as john salmons only 15 pounds heavier he can guard sfs.
Salmons measured 6'5.5" barefoot, Evans measured 6'4".
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
And Tyreke is still waaay bigger and stronger than John. An inch or so isn't going to change that. I don't have any doubts that Tyreke can spend time at the 3. But then goes your supposed big matchup advantage at PG so....
jcassio
Starter
What is it with the sarcasm?
I was reacting to the other two names (Udrih and Martin) in the sentence that suggested the Kings would have no defensive problems with those guys playing. I think Reke will be a good-to-great defensive player. I think Beno and Kevin are (and always will be) liabilities on the defensive end. So I thought it must be sarcasm...
I was reacting to the other two names (Udrih and Martin) in the sentence that suggested the Kings would have no defensive problems with those guys playing. I think Reke will be a good-to-great defensive player. I think Beno and Kevin are (and always will be) liabilities on the defensive end. So I thought it must be sarcasm...
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Im sure reke's freak wingspan makes up for that inch. Either way we are going to see beno, Martin & tyreke on at the same time and i would much rather have tyreke guard small forwards then kevin get physically abused by them.
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