Chris Webber trade

[uolj]

While I totally understand where you are coming from, I think nbrans comment was completely fair. I'm the only other one to comment, and what I said was with everything that you pointed out already assumed to be true. In this case I don't think anybody has wronged him on this quote, at least not yet.

The fact is that despite all the other factors, comments like the one quoted are examples of something I don't like about Chris Webber's (perceived) attitude and personality. This is from someone who defended his post-playoffs "go with the ones like Doug Christie" speech, too. I really am sorry it gets tiresome for you, but his is a very interesting personality and it has a lot to do with his place in the league and in the eyes of many fans. And it is even somewhat relevant to the topic of this thread.

 

[VF21]

I hate to see anyone maligned to the extent that Chris Webber has been maligned. I occasionally speak out when I really should just let it go.

Peace.

 

[AleksandarN]

Looking back on the whole thing. I was against the trade but I was for trading Webber. Talent wise the trade did not make sense. It still doesn't I understand trading him I was all for it, but we should have got a better deal. Why didn't we ask New York I have no idea.

 

[love_them_kings]

This is why Webber is such a lightning rod. I'm sure there are some people who see in that the pride of a star player who wants to lay it out there for his team, but that quote does not exactly make me pine for him.

I don't know. Hearing stuff like this is what makes me miss him even more. Not that I think he should disagree with his coach, but I believe that Webb is one of those players that is just so passionate about the sport that he is never going to be content to sit on the bench in the 4th quarter. I just think it's just the nature of the beast when you have a player that is that competitive and loves the game that much. It reminds me of Jerry Rice, one of my all time favorites. When you have a player like that, they very rarely fold peacefully into the background.

 

[nbrans]

I don't know. Hearing stuff like this is what makes me miss him even more. Not that I think he should disagree with his coach, but I believe that Webb is one of those players that is just so passionate about the sport that he is never going to be content to sit on the bench in the 4th quarter. I just think it's just the nature of the beast when you have a player that is that competitive and loves the game that much. It reminds me of Jerry Rice, one of my all time favorites. When you have a player like that, they very rarely fold peacefully into the background.

Definitely agree that you have to have that sort of pride in order to be a great athlete and I don't begrudge Webber for having that. It's that attitude that made him great in the first place and probably the reason he's still performing at a high level despite his physical limitations. But at the same time I think there comes a time when you have to recognize your limitations and have an attitude where you are willing to do what it takes and adjust to help the team. No doubt it's incredibly painful to be trapped in an ailing body and I know how strong his will to win is, and he's probably desperate to be out on the floor contributing to victories. I'm sure it's an incredibly difficult thing.

But when I said it doesn't make me pine for him it's because if he were still on the Kings we would really really need him to make some adjustments in order to keep winning. It would mean taking a backseat to Artest, Bibby and Martin and possibly being on the bench more because of his defensive limitations. Basically the same adjustments Cheeks is asking him to make.

I just feel like there's a place for individual pride and there's a place for a team. I don't necessarily blame him for having that pride, but it's not an attitude that is compatible with where the Kings are right now and where Webber is right now in his career. He would need to do whatever it takes to win at the expense of his pride, not do whatever it takes to satisfy his pride at the expense of winning.

 

[uolj]

I don't know. Hearing stuff like this is what makes me miss him even more. Not that I think he should disagree with his coach, but I believe that Webb is one of those players that is just so passionate about the sport that he is never going to be content to sit on the bench in the 4th quarter. I just think it's just the nature of the beast when you have a player that is that competitive and loves the game that much. It reminds me of Jerry Rice, one of my all time favorites. When you have a player like that, they very rarely fold peacefully into the background.

Jerry Rice is probably my favorite player of all time in any sport. And it used to annoy me when he did that stuff too.

 

[Geoff]

So, according to you - Webber was not going to decline the way he has? According to you, if he'd stayed a King his body would have miraculously avoided wearing down and Webber would remain one of the top 5 PFs in the league?

Somehow I doubt it.

Webber broke down. He's not the player we used to see. He's always going to have a place in my heart, but he's not what he once was.

I defy you to tell me that any one of the three players that the Kings got in that trade are equal to Chris Webb in terms of productivity since that trade. Contractwise, you maybe wouldn't want to take Webb for KT right now; but I don't think that contracts are the only reason why Philly unloaded those three guys on us for CWebb.

Webber isn't what he was, but what he is now is still better than what we currently have. I reiterate the point I made earlier; the management made a gamble and lost.

 

[PejaFanatic]

Since we are talking about Chris, Brad Pitt's interview in 2004 during the time he did promo for Troy. He said he enjoyed Chris Webber's game and he said some other positive things about Webber. I don't remember what kind of question the interviewer asked for Brad to bring up Chris.

 

[diggining]

I defy you to tell me that any one of the three players that the Kings got in that trade are equal to Chris Webb in terms of productivity since that trade. Contractwise, you maybe wouldn't want to take Webb for KT right now; but I don't think that contracts are the only reason why Philly unloaded those three guys on us for CWebb.

Webber isn't what he was, but what he is now is still better than what we currently have. I reiterate the point I made earlier; the management made a gamble and lost.

To be fair to Roman, C-Webb really has been terrible since leaving the Kings--his lack of defense (far worse than KT, Corliss, or Skinner) more than makes up for any extra production he provides on the offensive end (And C-Webb's really been shooting very poorly since last season--he's no longer the 45-50% shooter he was with the Kings.). Again, it's not his fault that he got injured, but it doesn't take away from the fact that opposing PF's feast on Webb's immobility nowadays.

In fact, personally, basketballwise, not taking into account the contracts, I'd rather have any of the three guys we got instead of C-Webb. If you take into account the contract situation--well, I'd much rather take a chance on a guy like Williams or Amundson than any of four. Well, maybe except for Skinner.

 

[AriesMar27]

it was a bad trade... thomas sucks, he can rebound... but thats about it... throw the ball to thomas and he'll lose it... webber would get an assist... thomas would fumble it...

bibby, miller and martin, especially bibby would have a much easier time scoring with webber on the team than with thomas...

we gained nothing, lost bench players and lost to the sonics in the playoffs... webber played pretty well that 1st year in philly against detroit... thomas, skinner and corliss were garbage.... miller and bobby had just comeback from injuries...

the webber trio combined for 19pts and like 12 reb... webber had 19 pts but only 5 reb.. dalembert had like 12 a game... and detroit had big ben... seattle had a trashbag man... no matter how you slice it, it was a bad trade... a very bad trade... and seeing how well martin played last year when bonzi got injured and how badly hart played as bibbys back up, trading bobby was a bad move as well...

okay mobley wasnt that bad... but that was still a waste of a trade.... bobby, evans, barnes, house and martin would have been fine... we ended up losing mobley for nothing anyways...

bad, bad trade...