Chris Sheridan Chat: Kings should pursue Thabeet before Dalembert

[sactownfan]

Dan (NJ)

If you were Geoff Petrie, would you make a play for Dalembert? They need a shotblocker so badly and they aren't a player in free agency this year!

Chris Sheridan (3:22 PM)

No. I'd make a play for Thabeet. They can afford to wait on his development, while Memphis could use him to substantially bolster a pretty weak bench that backs up a rock-solid starting five. As I warned Lakers fans at the start of the chat: Beware the Grizzlies.

ok im not the biggest Thabeet fan, or Sam Dalembert fan... but at this point i'll take either guy over soggy waffles(Hawes).

Its been rumored that Memphis might be open to trading Thabeet but for what?

Memphis like Minny have done a good job ridding themselves of bad contracts... all there players are basically signed for 1-2 yrs... so Kenny Thomas may not interest them. most importantly Memphis isn't going to just give up Thabeet for cap room even if they had a really bad contract to unload... they're gonna want a pick and or talent...

So.....

What could we do? im all down for trading Garcia... but he's a mess. I have a feeling that to make this trade ever work it would have to involve Hawes/JT/Greene.... I'd be down with trading Hawes... no brainer...

but if we traded JT we'd be down to Brockman, or Armstrong as the starting PF...

however i'd be down to trade JT if we then went on to trade Kenny Thomas for TyThomas or another PF...

 

[ovrush]

I'd trade Kmart for Thabeet and Stephen Hunter. You get a #2 pick a year out of the draft on a rookie contract and you get another big chunk of capspace to play with.

I still think Garcia fits better with this team than Kevin. If you can then move Noc for an expiring after this deal you can offer someone a max contract plus you have a far more balanced roster.

I know people may think this isn't enough for Kevin, I think his value is a bit more than this actually, but when I think about what id want for kevin, it would be a young big. No one is going to trade a young successful big for Kevin so after that id rather take a flier on Thabeet or try to get the Knicks draft choice from Utah. Those are the only two options that really make sense to me.

 

[91sickness]

Thabeet for Garcia works straight across...I would do it, we have a logjam at sg/sf and zero depth at pf/c. Although they have Mayo @ sg they could be losing Gay this summer and garcia is good enough to start. Since Thabeet is still a rookie and was chosen 2nd overall, i would have to imagine they want to given him more than half a season to see what they have in him.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

 

[sactownfan]

Thabeet for Garcia works straight across...I would do it, we have a logjam at sg/sf and zero depth at pf/c. Although they have Mayo @ sg they could be losing Gay this summer and garcia is good enough to start. Since Thabeet is still a rookie and was chosen 2nd overall, i would have to imagine they want to given him more than half a season to see what they have in him.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

yeah but theres just no way they make that deal straight up for garcia... he hasn't even played 1min this year... we'd have to include a pick... Im pretty sure we have to include JT/Hawes/or Greene

 

[Warhawk]

Um, just saying that your title is misleading. Nowhere in what you posted does Sheridan say Thabeet>Dalembert.

That is your interpretation of what he said, and it still isn't accurate. I'm fixing it.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, Chad Ford's Thabeet being available thing was pretty thin. Not sure this has any more reality to it. But if there is one thing we do have, its depth. Lot of contributing players with no minutes now. If we could somehow shuffle a few of the older ones off for a young 7'3" shotblocker, I'm pretty happy. Squint hard and in a few years you can see Reke smothering the PG, Donte harassing the best scorer on the wings, and Thabeet waiting back under the hoop to smack away anything that gets through.

 

[sactownfan]

Um, just saying that your title is misleading. Nowhere in what you posted does Sheridan say Thabeet>Dalembert.

That is your interpretation of what he said, and it still isn't accurate. I'm fixing it.

wow are you a little slow?

ok for the special members on this board....

first...Sheridan is the ESPN analyst that was holding the chat...

sec...When the question came up about DALEMBERT being the player we should be making a move for Sheridan (thats the ESPN guy again) replied with...

...."NO... they should be making a move for Thabeet OVER Dalembert"

was it really that hard for you to handle.... how is that not accurate??? wow what other ways of interpreting that are there?

 

[bajaden]

wow are you a little slow?

ok for the special members on this board....

first...Sheridan is the ESPN analyst that was holding the chat...

sec...When the question came up about DALEMBERT being the player we should be making a move for Sheridan (thats the ESPN guy again) replied with...

...."NO... they should be making a move for Thabeet OVER Dalembert"

was it really that hard for you to handle.... how is that not accurate??? wow what other ways of interpreting that are there?

I think what Warhawk was saying, and I'm sure he doesn't need me to explain his thoughts, but that it could be interpruted as him saying that Thabeet is a better player than Dalembert. Which of course isn't what he said. He just suggested that he would go after Thabeet over Dalembert, probably because were a young team and we have the time to wait for Thabeet to develop.

First off, I don't agree with him in the immediate. We need help right now, and if its a young player, which Dalembert still is, then I would prefer him. In the long range, I wouldn't mind having Thabeet. But he's not going to come in and help much right now. As for what I would give up to get him. It would have to be something we have a surplus of. And that means not Hawes or Thompson. Were already thin there and Thabeet won't do anything to help. He is not capable of starting on any NBA roster at the moment. And he's not ready for any major minutes either. But I would love to have him and see how he turns out. But only at the right price.

 

[sactownfan]

I think what Warhawk was saying, and I'm sure he doesn't need me to explain his thoughts, but that it could be interpruted as him saying that Thabeet is a better player than Dalembert. Which of course isn't what he said. He just suggested that he would go after Thabeet over Dalembert, probably because were a young team and we have the time to wait for Thabeet to develop.

if you spend 10 secs reading the chat question. you'd know what was being discussed... and Sheridan's personal option is Thabeet>Dalembert as a trade target... just seemed like common sense to me... i copy and pasted everything for all to see....

anyway...

Thabeet is definitely a project, one that would be cheaper than Dalembert salary wise... but more costly than Delembert in that we'd have to ship out some talent... I'll be totally honest in that i havent seen Thabeet much or at all this year... in fact im sure thats why their "open to trading him" but he is huge (in height) and common sense again tells me that he could rebound and block shots... while bringing absolutely nothing on the offensive end???

Dalembert is better right now but his ceiling has been reached...

I'd be willing to invest in Thabeet if we could keep JT or land another big via another trade before the deadline... I wouldn't be too excited about a Thabeet/Hawes front court...

I guess im just so desperate for a shot blocker... I wanna believe that Thabeet could at the very least DO that and grab boards...

 

[AriesMar27]

That would be awesome, but it won't happen. We aren't that lucky...

 

[Smills91]

if you spend 10 secs reading the chat question. you'd know what was being discussed... and Sheridan's personal option is Thabeet>Dalembert as a trade target... just seemed like common sense to me... i copy and pasted everything for all to see....

anyway...

Thabeet is definitely a project, one that would be cheaper than Dalembert salary wise... but more costly than Delembert in that we'd have to ship out some talent... I'll be totally honest in that i havent seen Thabeet much or at all this year... in fact im sure thats why their "open to trading him" but he is huge (in height) and common sense again tells me that he could rebound and block shots... while bringing absolutely nothing on the offensive end???

Dalembert is better right now but his ceiling has been reached...

I'd be willing to invest in Thabeet if we could keep JT or land another big via another trade before the deadline... I wouldn't be too excited about a Thabeet/Hawes front court...

I guess im just so desperate for a shot blocker... I wanna believe that Thabeet could at the very least DO that and grab boards...

Funny because Hawes > Dalembert > Thabeet.

All Sheridan is saying is that Thabeet's a better FIT than Dalembert due to AGE and CONTRACT...not the ability to play basketball like you're insinuating.

 

[Lafayette]

I say trade JT for Thabeet, I know, crazy talk because JT does have his moments but if we can get a draft pick out of it and Thabeet can play some D and reb, that's what they need.

 

[Gary]

nooooooo don't do it!!! Thabeet is garbage.

 

[LPKingsFan]

The problem is--Thabeet is going to cost a lot more than Dalembert. Not in terms of $$$, but in terms of talent, which is what we cannot afford to give up.

I saw this deal on realgm, and it's actually been praised by fans of all three teams. Something I could definitely see us do if we really want Dalemebert.

Kings in:

Sam Dalembert $12 million (2011 expiring)
Marcus Banks $4.5 (2011)

Kings out:
Andres Nocioni $7.5 (2012)
Kenny Thomas $8.7 (2010)

We do this to get our defensive big men, clear out the SF logjam, and make us players in 2011 in one fell swoop. Petrie won't want to give up on Martin-Evans just yet, but if the backcourt doesn't mesh by this summer, you have a still very attractive peice in Martin, over $16 in expirings, and knowledge of the lottery results to work with. Not too shabby if you ask me.

Raptors in:
Andres Nocioni $7.5 (2012)

Raptors out:
Marcus Banks $4.5 (2011)
Rasho Nesterovic $1.9 (2010)

Toronto goes all in, adding another veteran for their playoff push to convince Bosh to stay. Some Raptors fans balk at adding an expensive piece for the bench, but others think Noce will be useful backing up both forwards. And, of course, Colangelo loves foreigners. They're screwed anyway with Turkoglu and Calderon signed long term if Bosh leaves, so they might as well commit further to competing in the hopes he'll hang around.

Philly out:
Sam Dalembert $12 (2011)

Philly in:
Rasho Nesterovic $1.9 (2010)
Kenny Thomas $8.7 (2010)

Immediate cap relief for a team that is expensive but losing often. They still have plenty of big men in Brand, Speights, and Jason Smith, and Thad Young can swing to the PF when they run and gun as well.

 

[Merdiesel]

nooooooo don't do it!!! Thabeet is garbage.

He's a better post defender than anybody on our team.

 

[sactownfan]

yup... i'd rather have Dalembert but i'll pretty much take any big that can be counted on to do 2 things.... BLOCK SHOTS AND REBOUND.

 

[Dreadnought]

I'd be down to get Thabeet as long as it didn't include the obvious players.

 

[AleksandarN]

wow are you a little slow?

ok for the special members on this board....

first...Sheridan is the ESPN analyst that was holding the chat...

sec...When the question came up about DALEMBERT being the player we should be making a move for Sheridan (thats the ESPN guy again) replied with...

...."NO... they should be making a move for Thabeet OVER Dalembert"

was it really that hard for you to handle.... how is that not accurate??? wow what other ways of interpreting that are there?

show some respect

 

[SLAB]

show some respect

Word.

As a long time poster it rubs the wrong way to talk to a Mod (or anyone else) like that...

 

[Warhawk]

wow are you a little slow?

ok for the special members on this board....

first...Sheridan is the ESPN analyst that was holding the chat...

sec...When the question came up about DALEMBERT being the player we should be making a move for Sheridan (thats the ESPN guy again) replied with...

...."NO... they should be making a move for Thabeet OVER Dalembert"

was it really that hard for you to handle.... how is that not accurate??? wow what other ways of interpreting that are there?

I thought we dealt with this in PMs, but apparently you decided to cross that "don't be a jerk line" anyways. Enjoy the infraction. Hope it was worth it.

As everyone else here understood (and as I explained to you in the PM) your title was not reflective of the Q&A. Do you think everyone else is reading it wrong and you are not? REALLY? Think about it.

 

[chasen4r1]

show some respect

Was just going to say the same thing

 

[sactownfan]

respect < shown right there

this whole scene over this title is laughable... warhawk great job setting people straight. Chis Sheridan can sleep well knowing you kept my slanderous title from damaging his reputation... because clearly he wasn't saying Thabeet is greater than Dalembert... with Dalembert being the All-star he is and Thabeet being only a rookie...these two players are so drastically different from each other... tall, skinny, shotblockers, with no offensive game... my original title was waaay off... no way the kings could perceive (or Sheridan) that Thabeet was greater in anyway shape or form... like say.... of greater interest...

oh well... i took offense to your comment as i considered it being a sorta out of left field and unnecessary move on your part... also factoring in all the ridiculous titles i've seen over the years be left unchanged... if you had just changed the title i wouldn't have noticed or cared...

but your inaccurate reason... i misinterpreted it as a subtle jab at me... so maybe i was wrong and it really was just a much needed title change, as to not get peoples hope so high, when they read the post they'd be left feeling betrayed after... im sorry for calling you or anyone that couldn't get my title slow and special... i hope it didn't hurt as must as this red card i got at the bottom right of my post box... for real tho im done with this now... i just didn't understand your logic but if it wasn't personal then there really wasn't a reason to say slow or special... i wont call anyone slow again, special maybe...but in a different context... like warhawk is special to kingsfans.com ! ! !

 

[Gary]

He's a better post defender than anybody on our team.

But he's still trash.. Might as well give the Collins brothers a call is we want someone to block a few shots.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

He's a better post defender than anybody on our team.

I'm not sure about that.

He's a better shot blocker than anyone on our team, but as an actual man defender, I wouldn't classify him as better than Hawes or JT just yet. Which is in no way meant as a complement to Hawes' or JT's D.

I've never been a big Thabeet fan, but I agree with several other posters. If we can get him for a non-critical part, I'd be down to gamble. At the very least I'd imagine he would develop into a Keon Clark/ Gadzuric type. Never hurts to have that type of specialist on your team, especially since we have a number of offensively minded players. Like Brick said, if you squint really hard.....

 

[Prince_XY]

Funny because Hawes > Dalembert > Thabeet.

All Sheridan is saying is that Thabeet's a better FIT than Dalembert due to AGE and CONTRACT...not the ability to play basketball like you're insinuating.

This is another problem when people does not read the whole post first, then will go on twisting what the poster wants to express.

Let me explain to you that in your quote of sactownman post, it was even clearly mentioned:

"Dalembert is better right now but his ceiling has been reached..."

Since he is talking only about Thabeet and Dalembert, that should be interpreted as Dalembert as better than Thabeet right now.

BTW, I found it funnier that you believe Hawes>Dalembert. IMO, that is just purely hopeless homerism.

If Hawes is better than Dalembert, then we won't even be talking about acquiring Dalembert or Thabeet, and that most fans think we needed a true center anywhere in this forum.

Right?

 

[Sptsjunkie]

The problem with this whole thread though is that while the Griz might be open to trading Thabeet, I don't see them trading him for a role player in a "win now" scenario.

They used the #2 pick on him in a draft where a large number of players have been outplaying him and looking like legit NBA players. Trading him for a role player would not only be a very early admission that they screwed up big time, but would only be compounded if he eventually developed into a good player.

It might be different if the Griz were contending for a championship this year and felt they were one contributing piece away. However, dumping their gamble this early (especially when they drafted Thabeet KNOWING he was a project) would be a big mistake both from a basketball and PR perspective.

At the end of the day, this is just one of those rumors that I can't really see every coming to fruition as the players we would be willing to give up for Thabeet wouldn't be enough for the Griz to make a move.

 

[Prince_XY]

Get Dalembert or Thabeet please!

Ship out Martin. Let them choose between Hawes and Thompson. They can have Noc and Garcia too! We know we can win without these guys anyways.

Just get that defensive and shotblocking big player that we need please. Let us change the culture of this team!

 

[Bricklayer]

The problem with this whole thread though is that while the Griz might be open to trading Thabeet, I don't see them trading him for a role player in a "win now" scenario.

They used the #2 pick on him in a draft where a large number of players have been outplaying him and looking like legit NBA players. Trading him for a role player would not only be a very early admission that they screwed up big time, but would only be compounded if he eventually developed into a good player.

It might be different if the Griz were contending for a championship this year and felt they were one contributing piece away. However, dumping their gamble this early (especially when they drafted Thabeet KNOWING he was a project) would be a big mistake both from a basketball and PR perspective.

At the end of the day, this is just one of those rumors that I can't really see every coming to fruition as the players we would be willing to give up for Thabeet wouldn't be enough for the Griz to make a move.

I still like the potential of dealing through Philly to try to get something done -- swing Dalmebert to Memphis and Thabeet over to us. Dalembert is on the market, and if we could get him moved to Memphis, then they basically get a veteran version of what they are looking for from Thabeet. A here and now roleplayer, but the right kind of roelplayer and good enoguh to cover their butts unless Thabeet really excels.

Again this is just assuming these guys have any feel at all for where Memphis is coming from. I would have considered Thabeet off limits early -- basically a personal gamble by the Grizzlies suddenly very involved owner. But now all of a sudden the whole gambling summer has them in position to maybe nab a playoff spot, maybe even revive the dead fanbase. So...maybe they really are lookng to bolster that and make sure it happens. Maybe they're tired of being Clippers east. I would still be surprised to see them move Thabeet, but I could see the scenario where these national guys are right. And if so we really need to find a way into that action. A young towering shotblocker is just 100% what the doctor ordered around here. If he's really available, on the first year of a rookie contract? You have to find your way into that somehow. It might even preserve Jason and/or Spencer, as it would cover their glaring weaknesses. Although obviously we would still need the star inside guy once we quit farting around and get serious about building a winner.

 

[sactownfan]

we really need to find a way into that action. A young towering shotblocker is just 100% what the doctor ordered around here. If he's really available, on the first year of a rookie contract? You have to find your way into that somehow. It might even preserve Jason and/or Spencer, as it would cover their glaring weaknesses. Although obviously we would still need the star inside guy once we quit farting around and get serious about building a winner.

100% agree.... i just have this suspicion that its gonna cost us JT... but i guess pretty obvious that were lottery bound now and also just as obvious that we should be picking another big... so maybe if not another trade for a PF then through the draft...

 

[Aenadin]

Funny because Hawes > Dalembert > Thabeet.

All Sheridan is saying is that Thabeet's a better FIT than Dalembert due to AGE and CONTRACT...not the ability to play basketball like you're insinuating.

shot blocking and rebounding can easily be taught... but when you have cutters like beno, martin, and evans. who would you want the top of the key pass from a big come from.

thabeet will not have that passing skill nor will dalembert

every one wanted a if we cant have a pure pointguard in the reke martin tandem then we might aswell have a good passing big.

the rebounding for a center is glaring for hawes, mostly because he spends his time top of the key with either passing. drawing the bigs to open up inside for the guards or for an easy two pointer. but hes going to get better at it...