NME
Starter
Who wants to bother with the 11th best player in the league? You don't see David Letterman reading off a Top Eleven List, do you?
Chris Bosh
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Who wants to bother with the 11th best player in the league? You don't see David Letterman reading off a Top Eleven List, do you?
BOSH BEHIND SHAQ???? err is it just me or is this 2008? And did you just say that a guy who just finished his rookie season is better and worth more than Dwyane Wade?
Kingzrool I couldn't agree more, FakeInjury never ceases to amaze me
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I think that Bosh will be a little futher up that list. Shaq might not even play past 2010. Nash, as much as I love him will be two years older, and only God knows how he will be playing by then. There's no way I would put Durant ahead of Bosh at this point in time. Durant hasn't proved anything yet. Bosh is 23 years old and will be 25 in the summer of 2010. So he has youth on his side.
I think its a little early to be deciding who we should prusue that summer. Thompson may be averaging 15 and 9 by then. He's also young and probably more skilled than Bosh was coming into the league. Doesn't mean he'll be as good as Bosh, but it doesn't mean he won't either. My one reservation on Bosh is that he hasn't made a dramatic improvement in the last three years. I'm not saying that he's as good as he's going to be, but that maybe the ceiling isn't that far away. Could be is all he needs is a change of scenery.
As far as leaving Toronto. I think he will bolt for another destination. Most players dont' like the tax situation in Canada. Especially because, I think they get taxed twice. I'm not sure of this, but maybe Bricky can help me out on that one. All I know is that historicaly, players have left when they have had the chance.
One final note. Even if Thompson is averaging 20 and 10, and Hawes is averaging 15 and 9 (wishful thinking) and you can get Bosh to come here, I say you go and get him. What a three man rotation that would be. I have to stop. I'm getting giddy.
NME
Starter
One final note. Even if Thompson is averaging 20 and 10, and Hawes is averaging 15 and 9 (wishful thinking) and you can get Bosh to come here, I say you go and get him. What a three man rotation that would be. I have to stop. I'm getting giddy.
That's going to be one pricey three-man rotation. If our guys are putting up those numbers, they're going to get deals similar to Amare and Bogut, and throw in a max deal to lure away Bosh and we'll have to fill the rest of the roster with D-Leaguers.
FakeInjury
Bench
Hawes doesn't need to do much, and he will get 40 million/6yrs offer sometime in the future. If he performs well enough to put Sacramento in the playoff race, the sky is the limit. Hawes probably knows that this year will make or break his future on this team. With SAR looking at limited minutes, and Miller's game slowly translating away from the ideal, and two rookie fowards; to me, it looks like Hawes will need to step up or be shipped out. If Thompson has just an inkling of talent and muscles Hawes out of the starting lineup, then things don't look so good. Hawes has alot of upside, and if he shows off his moves against premiere centers and wins the matchup, its going to get interesting. But for now, hes still in his very early 20's, and it is going to be unfair to expect more from him, than from Thompson(24). But, that is the way things are, not fair. And Hawes has had his year off as a rookie. Now its time for him to show Sac. that he is the starting star center for this team. If he doesn't, Mikki/Miller, im sure will fair fine. But Hawes/Thomson just seems like an experiment worth trying.
HighFlyingMonkey
Starter
What's with the urgency? Hawes doesn't have to do anything besides show decent progress next year.
Considering they play different positions, I kinda doubt that will happen....
Telemachus
Starter
If there is one thing I have learned watching the NBA the past 30 yrs or so, it's that you don't rush the development of a center. I have seen way too many players given up on after 2 - 3 years, only to see them become star players at the center position. Hawes is entering his 2nd season, after playing his first season with a bad knee for the first half. Obviously, I want him to have a break out year. However, a solid season with marked improvement is what I expect.
Thompson is a PF, not a center. Yes, he can play the position at times, but that is not his strength. My biggest goal for him this season is for him to knock Mikki Moore out of the starting lineup before the season is over.
FakeInjury
Bench
If you haven't noticed...
The NBA is changing styles again...
PF is C and C is PF...
Finkle is Einhorn
Kingzrool
Starter
Seriously, never.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
FakeInjury
Bench
I am usually the one with ambiguous posts. I am just going to assume that you don't agree that centers and power fowards are one and the same. I think they are, because small ball is being played by 1/3 of the NBA. For every Kaman, Dalambert, and Shaq there is KG, Ben Wallace, and....CHRIS BOSH. All 6 aformentioned players play......CENTER. Albeit, not all the time. But, in the NBA, it is a special player who plays multiple positions. And those players are going to be the target of NBA teams in the future. Lebron could play all 5 postions, and I honestly beleive he should. So. along that line of though, the center position is being marginalized by players like Lebron who can make the game look easy from any position. I agree, that history indicates winning a championship requires a real presence down low(SHAQ, DUNCAN, KG, RASHEED). But all it takes is one team to win a champioship without a traditional center, and all bets are off, small ball to wall.
So hopes Nellie, anyway. And please let me know when we'll see LeBron play the 5. I'll be watching.
Since the goal is to win an NBA championship, it seems absurd to put players in a position that will lead the team to, ultimately, failure.
Kingzrool
Starter
This is the statement that I disagree with. Your argument of merging positions is not good enough to change my mind. And sorry for the ambiguity, it was an extension of my earlier reply in this thread, "You never cease to amaze me". You have Thompson edging out Hawes for a position that he does not really play, and back it with a sweeping and questionable generalization.
FakeInjury
Bench
Just because Hawes says he's a center, doesn't mean he is one. And just because you think Hunter S. Thompson is a PF doesn't mean he is one either. As a matter of opinion, I think Hunters thompson is a C/PF and Hawes is a PF/C.
What part of Thompson's skill set leads you to believe he is a C/PF, and Hawes is PF/C? I'm curious.
FakeInjury
Bench
Hawes is 6-11. I hope we can agree on that. His skill set is as follows; decent dribbler, and crafty bigman. Im not sure about his passing, so ill reserve my judgement on that skill for later. Either way, he reminds me of Chris Webber(PF). Jason is just a great rebounder, and rebounding is a fundamental skill needed to play C. I hope that explains my reasoning.
Actually, no. Hawes is a legit 7 footer, who is still growing. His skill set says nothing about traditional PF skills. He has great hands around the basket.
Thompson was a good rebounder in college. Being a good rebounder alone does not make you a center. If so, Barkley would have gone down as one of the greatest centers of all time.
If you do a little homework on Thompson, you'll notice that his offense skill puts him in a position to be in more of the Webber role you're thinking of. Decent outside, great on the break. Certainly not a guy you'd want to put in a "traditional" center role.
FakeInjury
Bench
Sweet catch phrazes. Pozers for psych mayors, shrinking me, like i need it. and i do. To comment on Hawes some more, i do not agree he is 7ft. I'll admitt he might say he is, but we all know that NBA players over state their height 60% of the time. And we all know its not how big you actually are, but how big you play....WHO do you think plays bigger, Thompson vs. hawes
I DARE you to make less sense.
After watching the Las Vegas Summer League, I'm filled with fear and loathing of Hunter S. Thompson whatever position he plays.
Capt. Factorial wins the thread.
FakeInjury
Bench
I DARE you to make less sense.
I will allow this.
upinsmoke
All-Star
I respectfully disagree...
First off we are not set on any position besides the 2. Beno would be a nice BACKUP but imo he is just filling in until a player can fill that role, thats why the kings drafted Sean Singletary and brought in Bobby Brown and B-Jax.
I do however see promise in the 3 spot with Salmons and greene however I cant call it being set by any means at this point.
Furtheremore the jury is still out on Hawes but he does show an upside thats undeniable considering the guy is only 20 but bottom line is to be truly effective at the 5 i feel he should needs to add strength.
Adding Chris Bosh to the team might just be the right move to pull off because it would add so much versatility to the team with Thompson backing both Bosh and Spencer (or spencer backing Jason). Then adding a point would be the last peice of the puzzle.
SacKings7
Starter
Post #1000! And all I have to say is.....LeBron at C? Wow.
venom_7
Starter
Had to jump in here. FakeInjury, your premise makes no sense whatsoever, and now I'm wondering if you have ever really seen these guys play at all. Hawes = 7ft. I met the guy, this isn't really debatable. He is a center who hopefully can develop into a sort of Chris Kaman type. (Ultimately I'm hoping Kevin McHale.) Thompson is a 6' 11" PF with a skillset to match. I hope this explains your (un)reasoning.
