chicago trade

[=LarryLegend=]

sac gets:

Pj Brown
Chris Duhon
Thabo Sefolosha

Chicago gets:

Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Jason Hart
Fransisco Gracia


what do you think?

I would hate to lose garcia and sar, but we could get rid of k9 and hart. trade works on realgm trader checker.

Chris Duhon is a pg that plays defense, pj brown is ok and expiring and Thabo Sefolosha is good for future.


bibby/duhon/price
kmart/salmons/douby
ron ron/corliss
brown/taylor
brad miller/jwill

 

[VF21]

No reason for Chicago to do it, IMHO.

 

[KingsChick]

Yeah, don't think Chicago would fall for that trade...

 

[DaMan]

No reason for Chicago to do it, IMHO.

I would disagree here, I have been to some Chicago forums and they have liked the idea of making a deal that would involve a deal with sar and Duhon. But i don't think it would be quit the deal that Larry Legend put up. There is no way in hell that the bulls will take thomas or trade Thabo Sefolosha. And there is no way that I see the kings trading Garica. This is a trade i see going down between the two teams.

Kings Trade:
Sar
Hart
Vitaly Potapenko

Bulls Trade:
Duhon
BJ Brown


Reasons why for chicago: They need a post player and badly, Sar seems like the choose there. With Big Ben to cover him on D there should be no problem. And Hart is just there to be a decent backup PG and Vitaly part of the trade to make the Deal work.

Duhon has been struggling for the better part of the season and with Kirk there he could be part of a deal that brings a big with scoring ability. Brown has asked for a trade, this could be the one for him.

Reason why for Sactown: A new sence maybe what Duhon needs to help lift his play. Duhon would be a better backup PG then what ever the kings already have and with Bibby maybe leaving next season Duhon might have a shot at being the PG during the rebuilding process.

Brown brings in a big that rebounds, plays D, and bangs down low all things that the kings badly need. And if it doesn't work out Brown gets an expring contract which could help them get a F/a and so on.

And lets face it sar, is not working out in Sactown. There is not enough balls for him to be effitive on offence. And he is really not helping on D or really rebounding, maybe parting ways is the best thing to do. And also add the fact that we might not be able to get a better deal for him is more reason why we should do this deal

There should be no reason to explain why we are trading hart and Vitaly.

 

[VF21]

DaMan - Actually you're agreeing with what I said, which was that there is NO reason for Chicago to make the trade LarryLegend has proposed.

 

[DaMan]

DaMan - Actually you're agreeing with what I said, which was that there is NO reason for Chicago to make the trade LarryLegend has proposed.

True, lol. But you do agree a deal could be meant between the two teams, just along the lines of my trade.

 

[VF21]

Depends on which path the Kings decide to take. Hart and Vitaly are expiring contracts. SAR has some market value, although it's probably dropped after this season...

If the Kings do go into true rebuilding mode, they don't need to trade away expiring contracts unless it's for draft picks. PJ Brown would not be the type of player they'd go after.

I personally am not that impressed with Duhon, so I just don't think this is a trade I'd be overly excited about.

 

[BMiller52]

Depends on which path the Kings decide to take. Hart and Vitaly are expiring contracts. SAR has some market value, although it's probably dropped after this season...

If the Kings do go into true rebuilding mode, they don't need to trade away expiring contracts unless it's for draft picks. PJ Brown would not be the type of player they'd go after.

I personally am not that impressed with Duhon, so I just don't think this is a trade I'd be overly excited about.

PJ Brown is a big expiring contract.

 

[DaMan]

PJ Brown is a big expiring contract.

That is what i was going to say, we are baically trading away expiring contract for expiring contract to make the deal work. So this could also help the future too with a young pg and exp contract. I doubt we could get a first out of the deal because its such a deep draft maybe a second.

 

[nbrans]

I do think the idea of trading SAR to Chicago has some legs. But I'm not that impressed with Duhon either -- I'd rather have a pick. Unfortunately, they're not going to give up their pick in this year because it's the Knicks' pick. So maybe a 2008 pick? But then you're looking at a pick in the 20s.

So I'm not too sure. I like the idea of clearing some more cap room, but SAR remains a cheap, productive post player (assuming the Kings, you know, play him in the post) and there's not much that Chicago would be willing to give up for SAR that makes sense for the Kings.

 

[DaMan]

I do think the idea of trading SAR to Chicago has some legs. But I'm not that impressed with Duhon either -- I'd rather have a pick. Unfortunately, they're not going to give up their pick in this year because it's the Knicks' pick. So maybe a 2008 pick? But then you're looking at a pick in the 20s.

So I'm not too sure. I like the idea of clearing some more cap room, but SAR remains a cheap, productive post player (assuming the Kings, you know, play him in the post) and there's not much that Chicago would be willing to give up for SAR that makes sense for the Kings.

Thats the problem right there, sar has not been very productive. The kings have not even tried to get him the ball in the post and i don't even blame them when they have 4 or 5 other weapons on the floor to use. Also add that he has not been rebounding, playing much D and that his trade value is falling each and ever game makes it more of a porpority to get something in return before we get nothing.

 

[kingsfan101]

Chicago won't make any moves unless they are sure they can't get KG. Yes, SAR makes a lot of sense for them, as they are missing a post player. However, as nbrans said, what we can get from them is the question.

 

[Smills91]

Actually I think a deal that could happen by the trade deadline would be between these two teams possibly...

THe Kings deal:
SAR
Kenny Thomas

The Bulls deal:
PH Brown
Michael Sweetney
Viktor Krhyapa

The Bulls give up basically nothing to land sar...the price is taking on Kenny(who could actually get some run in Chi-Town) who could become a Skiles fav with his rebounding/hustle. SAR gives them a legitimate post threat. Also this deepens their frontcourt and gives the kids time to develop as Chicago could very well be the favs in the eastern confernce after this deal.

The Kings get into a better salary cap situation and PJ might give the Kings a shot at the 8th seed with his ability to defend the front court.

THis deal puts the Kings conserably below the salary cap this off-season and the two young guys MIGHT develop...

 

[nbrans]

Actually I think a deal that could happen by the trade deadline would be between these two teams possibly...

THe Kings deal:
SAR
Kenny Thomas

The Bulls deal:
PH Brown
Michael Sweetney
Viktor Krhyapa

The Bulls give up basically nothing to land sar...the price is taking on Kenny(who could actually get some run in Chi-Town) who could become a Skiles fav with his rebounding/hustle. SAR gives them a legitimate post threat. Also this deepens their frontcourt and gives the kids time to develop as Chicago could very well be the favs in the eastern confernce after this deal.

The Kings get into a better salary cap situation and PJ might give the Kings a shot at the 8th seed with his ability to defend the front court.

THis deal puts the Kings conserably below the salary cap this off-season and the two young guys MIGHT develop...

This would definitely be a good deal going into the offseason from the Kings' perspective, but I don't see why they'd take on both SAR and Kenny Thomas.

Here's the thing about Chicago -- they have to extend Nocioni in the offseason (at least I think they will). His salary will probably be in the $7-8 million range. That puts them at about $54 million. Tack on SAR and KT and they're up at $67 million. Even more pressing, they have to extend Ben Gordon and Luol Deng the following offseason. So why would they risk going into tax land for Kenny Thomas?

They may want SAR, but I think a SAR/KT combo trade is out of the question, especially for a team with as much frontcourt depth as the Bulls.

 

[Smills91]

This would definitely be a good deal going into the offseason from the Kings' perspective, but I don't see why they'd take on both SAR and Kenny Thomas.

Here's the thing about Chicago -- they have to extend Nocioni in the offseason (at least I think they will). His salary will probably be in the $7-8 million range. That puts them at about $54 million. Tack on SAR and KT and they're up at $67 million. Even more pressing, they have to extend Ben Gordon and Luol Deng the following offseason. So why would they risk going into tax land for Kenny Thomas?

They may want SAR, but I think a SAR/KT combo trade is out of the question, especially for a team with as much frontcourt depth as the Bulls.

I hear ya, but IMO that should be our asking price. If they want SAR(and are unwilling to give up NOC) then that's the asking price. It's now up to them to either find a 3rd partner to take on Kenny(NJ?) or to look to deal him next season as another year comes off his deal by then.

 

[nbrans]

I hear ya, but IMO that should be our asking price. If they want SAR(and are unwilling to give up NOC) then that's the asking price. It's now up to them to either find a 3rd partner to take on Kenny(NJ?) or to look to deal him next season as another year comes off his deal by then.

I agree that it would be a way, in theory, of making an SAR to Chicago happen in a way that would be good for the Kings, but it would have to take a third team, and I'm not sure who that third team would be. New Jersey might need Kenny in theory, but it would have to be part of a much larger deal.

Something like this, which admittedly is a major longshot, but could be interesting:

Chicago outgoing:
Andres Nocioni
PJ Brown
Sweetney
Allen

Chicago incoming:
Vince Carter
SAR

New Jersey outgoing:
Vince Carter

New Jersey incoming:
Andres Nocioni
Kenny Thomas
Sweetney

Sacramento outgoing:
SAR
Kenny Thomas

Sacramento incoming:
PJ Brown
Malik Allen

That's not quite enough for Sacramento, and New Jersey might rather have the cap space, but it would have to be in the context of something like that.

And at the end of the trade, Chicago is Hinrich/Carter/Deng/SAR/Wallace. Yowzers. New Jersey is Kidd/Jefferson/Nocioni/KT/Kristic (when they're all healthy). And the Kings have $13 million in cap space.

 

[Merdiesel]

I would hate to lose garcia

Why???
Garcia never hits open shots, and is just about the worst player in the league when it comes to getting to the rim...

 

[whozit]

I agree that it would be a way, in theory, of making an SAR to Chicago happen in a way that would be good for the Kings, but it would have to take a third team, and I'm not sure who that third team would be. New Jersey might need Kenny in theory, but it would have to be part of a much larger deal.

Something like this, which admittedly is a major longshot, but could be interesting:

Chicago outgoing:
Andres Nocioni
PJ Brown
Sweetney
Allen

Chicago incoming:
Vince Carter
SAR

New Jersey outgoing:
Vince Carter

New Jersey incoming:
Andres Nocioni
Kenny Thomas
Sweetney

Sacramento outgoing:
SAR
Kenny Thomas

Sacramento incoming:
PJ Brown
Malik Allen

That's not quite enough for Sacramento, and New Jersey might rather have the cap space, but it would have to be in the context of something like that.

And at the end of the trade, Chicago is Hinrich/Carter/Deng/SAR/Wallace. Yowzers. New Jersey is Kidd/Jefferson/Nocioni/KT/Kristic (when they're all healthy). And the Kings have $13 million in cap space.

That isn't all that bad and I'm not sure that it wouldn't be enough for Sacramento. It moves a seeminly unmovable piece and another that isn't fitting as originally thought.

 

[DaMan]

The Chicago wants a piece of Sar, if and when the kings start a fire sale during the kings rebuilding process.

If there are other changes for the Kings, figure some team, like the Bulls, to swoop in for power forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...,2574591.column?page=2&coll=cs-home-headlines

 

[tjobrien]

sac gets:

Pj Brown
Chris Duhon
Thabo Sefolosha

Chicago gets:

Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Jason Hart
Fransisco Gracia


what do you think?

I would hate to lose garcia and sar, but we could get rid of k9 and hart. trade works on realgm trader checker.

Chris Duhon is a pg that plays defense, pj brown is ok and expiring and Thabo Sefolosha is good for future.


bibby/duhon/price
kmart/salmons/douby
ron ron/corliss
brown/taylor
brad miller/jwill

As others have said, that would be sweet, but no way Chicago gives up Thabo.

 

[hearns]

If finally Gasol doesn't go to Chicago, maybe Kenny Thomas+Jason Hart for PJ Brown would be possible.

 

[DaMan]

If finally Gasol doesn't go to Chicago, maybe Kenny Thomas+Jason Hart for PJ Brown would be possible.

Bulls won't do it, they would rather have sar then Thomas if they don't get Gasol.

 

[DETON8ER]

yes, what DAMAN said is right... if they don't et Gasol they'll rather have SAR than KT. I don't know why they haven't done this deal.

 

[Bricklayer]

yes, what DAMAN said is right... if they don't et Gasol they'll rather have SAR than KT. I don't know why they haven't done this deal.

Becuase they would much rather have Gasol...or KG.

Might be a possibility around the trade deadline though if the big stars aren't available. Makes a lot of sense for them. Of cours I no longer have any feel/trust for what our own "brain trust" is thinking/planning, so have no idea if we'd even pursue the opportunity if it came up.