[CHA/LAL] Kobe gets to 18,000...

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Mr. S£im Citrus

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The youngest in league history to reach that plateau... But the Lakers lose in overtime to the Bobcats, who sweep the Lakers for the season.

It looks like the Bobcats have finally found their shooting guard; Matt Carroll is having a career season. As most anybody that's been around here probably knows, I've been following the Bobcats since they came into the league; I love their energy and hustle, and the way they play hard for forty-eight minutes. Their future is really looking bright with a stellar young core built around Okafor, Wallace and Felton. God help the rest of the league if THEY get a stud in the draft!

Can you imagine Okafor and Oden in the same frontcourt? :eek:
 
The youngest in league history to reach that plateau... But the Lakers lose in overtime to the Bobcats, who sweep the Lakers for the season.

It looks like the Bobcats have finally found their shooting guard; Matt Carroll is having a career season. As most anybody that's been around here probably knows, I've been following the Bobcats since they came into the league; I love their energy and hustle, and the way they play hard for forty-eight minutes. Their future is really looking bright with a stellar young core built around Okafor, Wallace and Felton. God help the rest of the league if THEY get a stud in the draft!

Can you imagine Okafor and Oden in the same frontcourt? :eek:
Just what every kings fan wants to hear (kobe praise).

Well the cats have got a "stud" every year since for the last 3-4 years, and have had wallace that entire time, yet they still suck. I don't see how one more could make them "God help the rest of the league" great :cool:
 
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1) Don't sleep on the Bobcats; they're better than us right now. And, if management doesn't make a commitment to rebuild soon, they're going to be better than us for the forseeable future. I'd take their roster over ours ten times out of ten. And this is only their third year of existence; they haven't had anybody for 3-4 years.

2) They don't suck, they're an expansion team. An expansion team, I might add, that is on track to win thirty games, which would be just about the best third-year expansion team record in thirty-five years. In fact, the only expansion team in the history of the league that was great by their third season was the Milwaukee Bucks, and they merely had Lew Alcindor and Oscar Robertson.

They've gotten better every year, and they're still getting better. Scoff at that if you want to... you'll be proven wrong soon enough.
 
Watching the Bobcats I definitely thought to myself "wow, these guys have a pretty good young roster" !

They made some young team type plays down the stretch, but I have no doubts they'll be scary good very soon. I was never really a big Gerald Wallace fan while he was with us. Mostly because I thought he made a lot of stupid decisions... however, I heard his postgame interview on Lakers local TV and man the guy sounds mature and articulate now. Was very impressed.

He had a couple of forced shots towards the end of the 4th and botched up the coverage on Kobe's 3, but definitely played a very good game. Happy for the guy.
 
I for one would prefer to see sports journalists and highlight shows abandon the mention of "youngest" this or that. Considering that Kobe started his career earlier than his competition for these "records", I'm not sure the comparison is all that relevant.

I much prefer evaluate this type of record in terms of total games played.

Oh, and I'd be willing to bet that at some point in the not too distant future, Lebron will own this record.
 
I can agree with that sentiment. Games played should definitely be regarded as more important than age, especially since players don't all start playing at the same age.

Be that as it may, title aside, thread was always meant to be about the Bobcats more than it was about the Lakers. I think that the Bobcats have tremendous talent at three positions (Felton at PG, Wallace at G/F, Okafor at F/C), and I think that the acquisition of Matt Carroll, who seems to have finally found his fit in the league, makes them very dangerous. I think they're maybe one more post defender from being a serious playoff team.
 
Be that as it may, title aside, thread was always meant to be about the Bobcats more than it was about the Lakers. I think that the Bobcats have tremendous talent at three positions (Felton at PG, Wallace at G/F, Okafor at F/C), and I think that the acquisition of Matt Carroll, who seems to have finally found his fit in the league, makes them very dangerous. I think they're maybe one more post defender from being a serious playoff team.

I would agree. One thing the Bobcats cannot be happy about at this point in the season is the fact that Matt Carroll has basically outplayed Adam Morrison (who has the size to be more of a dominant scorer in the NBA). Not that last year's draft was loaded with scorers, but in hindsight Brandon Roy may have been the better selection at #3 (as it would have eliminated the potential logjam at SF with GWallace and Morrison on the same team).

If the Bobcats are able to land Oden or Durant in this year's draft, they will certainly be in position to be a force to be reckoned with going forward.
 
I would agree. One thing the Bobcats cannot be happy about at this point in the season is the fact that Matt Carroll has basically outplayed Adam Morrison (who has the size to be more of a dominant scorer in the NBA). Not that last year's draft was loaded with scorers, but in hindsight Brandon Roy may have been the better selection at #3 (as it would have eliminated the potential logjam at SF with GWallace and Morrison on the same team).
Why can't they be happy with it? Morrison is averaging thirteen a game off the bench, and gives them needed depth; it's not like they're so deep at SF that they can't use him... The guy helps their team, and he sells tickets, what's not to like? I don't agree that they would have been better off with Roy, and actually think that they just fine with Carroll. Besides which, Carroll is a five-year veteran; why should Charlotte be at all upset that he's more ready than Morrison is?
 
Why can't they be happy with it? Morrison is averaging thirteen a game off the bench, and gives them needed depth; it's not like they're so deep at SF that they can't use him... The guy helps their team, and he sells tickets, what's not to like? I don't agree that they would have been better off with Roy, and actually think that they just fine with Carroll. Besides which, Carroll is a five-year veteran; why should Charlotte be at all upset that he's more ready than Morrison is?
He has scored 579 points off of 598 FGA this year...
I don't think that is the kind of efficiency that they were hoping for.

With a high pick in the draft next year, Charlotte MAY just make the playoffs. You can't expect them to be anywhere near scary for several more years at best. Then they will be running onto problems like their top draft picks contracts expiring, and the players signing elsewhere. :eek:
 
He has scored 579 points off of 598 FGA this year...
And yet he's still fourth on their team in scoring, their leading scorer off the bench, and one of only two players that have played in every game this season.


With a high pick in the draft next year, Charlotte MAY just make the playoffs.
If they get a high pick in this year's draft, Charlotte WILL make the playoffs in 2008.

... You can't expect them to be anywhere near scary for several more years at best.
Oh yes I can; Charlotte has already proven that they are a team that, if you do not play your a-game against them for forty-eight minutes, you will not beat them... woe to any team that had the bad luck to draw them in the first round, and couldn't match their intensity. There are only two teams in the east (three when Shaq is healthy) that have better talent across the board than the Bobcats; anybody else could totally be upset by them.

Then they will be running onto problems like their top draft picks contracts expiring, and the players signing elsewhere. :eek:
You say that they will like it's already been decided; they won't be running into the problem until the players actually leave.
 
Why can't they be happy with it? Morrison is averaging thirteen a game off the bench, and gives them needed depth; it's not like they're so deep at SF that they can't use him... The guy helps their team, and he sells tickets, what's not to like? I don't agree that they would have been better off with Roy, and actually think that they just fine with Carroll. Besides which, Carroll is a five-year veteran; why should Charlotte be at all upset that he's more ready than Morrison is?

Fair point. I guess they can be happy with the fact that a NBA journeyman has displaced their #3-draft-pick-go-to-scorer at this point of said draft pick's first season, although I think they'd be happier if Morrison were a more efficient scorer and showing a little more consistency in being asked to be the team's #1 option on offense. I presume that he was drafted for that very reason.

But, it's not as if the Bobcats are in a win-now position, so they have time to allow Morrison to develop. And, as you point out, if they can get a front line player in this year's draft, they could easily rise into the top 8 in the East (at least as presently constituted).

I still think that Roy would've been a better fit for the Bobcats due to the fact that he is a better fit at SG than either Wallace or Morrison and he is a better defender (from what little I've seen of both players). With Okafor patroling the paint, Charlotte's perimeter guys are able to take more gambles on defense to make plays, and I think Roy could've combined with Wallace to provide a very imposing defensive duo. I do not see that happening with Wallace and Morrison (or Carroll and Wallace, for that matter).
 
OK Citrus, I see you seem to like other teams and players over the Kings... at least you defend them more than you ever do the Kings.

and you are right... Charlotte's record so far this year is 34%. That is 2% better than last year WOW that is pretty inpressive.

Next year they probably lose Wallice, and the next year Okafor, ECT. :eek:
 
With a high pick in the draft next year, Charlotte MAY just make the playoffs. You can't expect them to be anywhere near scary for several more years at best. Then they will be running onto problems like their top draft picks contracts expiring, and the players signing elsewhere. :eek:

They have the lowest payroll at around 39 million I guess, they can afford to go after the draft picks when their contract expires. They dont have to be worried about luxury tax, the only problem will be if the owner decides to not spend like the clippers a few years ago
 
Fair point. I guess they can be happy with the fact that a NBA journeyman has displaced their #3-draft-pick-go-to-scorer at this point of said draft pick's first season, although I think they'd be happier if Morrison were a more efficient scorer and showing a little more consistency in being asked to be the team's #1 option on offense. I presume that he was drafted for that very reason.
Morrison isn't their go-to scorer, and he was never meant to be; Felton is. Morrison was drafted to sell tickets, and he has. And, he also happens to actually score.

OK Citrus, I see you seem to like other teams and players over the Kings... at least you defend them more than you ever do the Kings.
The Kings don't deserve defending with the way they've been playing; at least the Bobcats play hard every night. If you want to talk to some blind homer, go bother someone else.

Next year they probably lose Wallice, and the next year Okafor, ECT. :eek:
We'll see... but I'm willing to bet that I'm right about this.
 
Fair enough if Morrison wasn't meant to be their go-to scorer. As long as he's selling tickets, fine with me.

Wasn't GWallace a restricted FA this past offseason? If so, I don't recall there being too much interest bandied about in the press, even though he had such a great all around year last year. I wonder if one of the reasons behind that is that the rest of the NBA knew Charlotte would match any offers, so there was no need to pursue him?
 
The Kings don't deserve defending with the way they've been playing; at least the Bobcats play hard every night. If you want to talk to some blind homer, go bother someone else.
Playing hard??? LOL, lets say for the sake of argument that Charlotte plays harder than anyone else in the league. Well they still suck (even in the east) so what is your point here? Who wants to watch their team lose game after game? playing hard only goes so far when it comes to the fans spirits, and loyalty. Talent, chemistry, and good coaching (and system) are equally as important (if not more). Their ownership should have brought in an all-star veteran leader this year. This was the year to do it. Too bad it's true that the ownership does bear quite a resemblance to the old Clippers philosophy (tight-wallet).

Funny you would mention "blind homer" I have been thinking that of you since I first saw this post, and even more so now.

"Bother Someone Else"
:confused: That wasn't very nice.
Uhhhhh you are the one who is posting how great Kobe is, and how wonderful the 35% Bobcats are on a KingsFan message board (talk about trolling). Why don't you go on their board and spew? What is your point in spewing here other than to TROLL? You are quickly going up to the same level of "Bothersome" as master troll Gargamel
at least the Bobcats play hard every night.
TV Watcher Fan???
Tell me, how many Kings, or Bobcats games do you attend each year? I can tell that it's not too many because you accuse the kings of not playing hard. If anything, they are playing harder this year than I have seen them play the last 2 years. There is just obvious confusion in their offence, and defense. They look choppy our there. They scrap more then I have ever seen them before, and most of them aren't even known as scrappers. There is no cohesion though, and It is pretty obvious from the 10th row that it is definitely because of the coaching.

Adelman was absolutely, hands down a better coach in most every way then Musselman is. He ran things smoothly, and everyone knew their role, and played well together in a highly effective system. I could go on and on about the differences between things they did down there, and things that they said to players, and the team. We (Well I guess it's only me, and not you) can only hope that he can pull it together, or is replaced I suppose. It is most definitely not the players fault.

If you think that this team can't win, and that they are just "not playing hard", you are a TV fan only, or perhaps sit in the nosebleeds, or just don't know basketball. TV is NOTHING compared to being there to "judge" the amount of effort a team is putting in, or analyse why one team is losing, and the other team winning.

The coaching staff is failing miserably so far. They are actually to blame greatly for the poor interior defense of the Kings (I'm serious), and even the low shooting percentage.

People see all the missed ill advised jump shots by the Kings, and layup's by the opposing team, and look to blame the players, but it's hard to defend well, or get open shots, or layups off of screens when you are playing "Jungle-Ball" and the opposition had a well coached ball club, with players that are on the same page as the team, and each other. Different players being rotated in and out of multiple positions every time there is a dead ball or timeout.

I have quite an advantage over most on my opinions of why the Kings are terrible this year. I have sat within earshot behind the bench for years. Trust me, it is not because of a lack of talent, or effort. :p

PS: If Adelman went to the Bobcats next year (Like that would happen), I would agree that they would make the playoffs, and would make quite a turnaround from this year, and the last 2 years. He is one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time, and a proven winner all throughout his career.

The Mallofs had a choice, stay with Adelman and continue to win, or go a "Different Direction" which was... Start losing. Sigh
 
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goggles99 said:
LOL, lets say for the sake of argument that Charlotte plays harder than anyone else in the league. Well they still suck (even in the east) so what is your point here?
They're better than the Kings.

goggles99 said:
playing hard only goes so far when it comes to the fans spirits, and loyalty. Talent, chemistry, and good coaching (and system) are equally as important (if not more).
Right... And ARCO sold out throughout fourteen consecutive losing seasons because of all that great talent, chemistry and good coaching?

goggles99 said:
Uhhhhh you are the one who is posting how great Kobe is, and how wonderful the 35% Bobcats are on a KingsFan message board (talk about trolling). Why don't you go on their board and spew? What is your point in spewing here other than to TROLL? You are quickly going up to the same level of "Bothersome" as master troll Gargamel
Anybody stupid enough to think that I created this thread to praise Kobe F. Bryant is so ignorant of my history on this board that they are not qualified to have an opinion on this subject. And anybody that's been here for more than a week that would think, for even a second, that I would praise Kobe F. Bryant or anyone in a Lakers uniform in anything other than a facetious manner is too ignorant to be worth any more of my time.

goggles99 said:
TV Watcher Fan???
Tell me, how many Kings, or Bobcats games do you attend each year? I can tell that it's not too many because you accuse the kings of not playing hard. If anything, they are playing harder this year than I have seen them play the last 2 years. There is just obvious confusion in their offence, and defence. They look choppy our there. They scrap way more then I have ever seen them before, and most of them aren't even known as scrappers. There is no cohesion, and It is pretty obvious from the 10th row that it is definitely because of the coaching.

Adelman was absolutely, hands down a better coach in most every way then Musselman is. He ran things smoothly, and everyone knew their role, and played well together in a highly effective system. I could go on and on about the differences between things they did down there, and things that they said to players, and the team. We (Well I guess it's only me, and not you) can only hope that he can pull it together, or is replaced I suppose. It is most definitely not the players fault.

If you think that this team can't win, and that they are just "not playing hard", you are a TV fan only, or perhaps sit in the nosebleeds, or just don't know basketball. TV is NOTHING compared to being there to "judge" the amount of effort a team is putting in, or analyse why one team is losing, and the other team winning.

The coaching staff is failing miserably so far. They are actually to blame greatly for the poor interior defence of the Kings (I'm serious), and even the low shooting percentage.

People see all the missed ill advised jump shots by the Kings, and layup's by the opposing team, and look to blame the players, but it's hard to defend well, or get open shots, or layups off of screens when you are playing "Jungle-Ball" and the opposition had a well coached ball club, with players that are on the same page as the team, and each other. Different players being rotated in and out of multiple positions every time there is a dead ball or timeout.

I have quite an advantage over most on my opinions of why the Kings are terrible this year. I have sat within earshot behind the bench for years. Trust me, it is not because of a lack of talent, or effort. :p
:: snickers ::

Okay, that was good for a laugh... Of course, if you were being serious...


:: laughs even harder ::
 
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