Cavs Deal Off

[Kingster]

How could they possibly want Bibby now? They have Gibson. He plays D as well as make big 3 pointers. Gibson was an unknown at the past trade deadline, but he sure isn't now. Cross the Cavs off the list....

On the positive side, any team that was seriously thinking about getting Billups in FA has got to be re-thinking that possibility. He looks like he's on the downhill slide. All other things being equal, Bibby's value just went up because Billup's has gone down.

 

[Heuge]

This is only negative news if you think Bibby ought to be gone. I think with the right players around him he could be an allstar...but that is just me.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

If we want to rebuild, Bibby has to go. The fact that he can be an all-star is irrelevent.

 

[Heuge]

Is rebuilding truly possible with these nasty contracts. I have my doubts.

 

[sactownfan]

we should have traded him to the lakers for there #1 pick all those players that would be off the books for us now. oh well.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yes, Cavs deal is gone.

No Mike Bibby will never be an All Star. He never was, and now with the new infusion of super points in the league, his only shot at ever squeaking in even once would be to go East. Mentioned several times that out West he might barely be average anymore -- the 7th best point in the conference. But if he does go East one day, it won't be to the Cavs. Even without Gibson blowing up, once they made it all the way to the ECF you figured they would be unlikely to want to make drastic hcanges. Let alone making it to the Finals.

Houston would still like him, but may not have the assets. Miami could definitely use him and may have the assets. Won't be Cleveland, but he still should be moveable.

 

[Heuge]

No Mike Bibby will never be an All Star.

Similar sentiments were said about Nash 3 years ago. You never know. It seems highly unlikely but it is possible.

 

[Bricklayer]

Similar sentiments were said about Nash 3 years ago. You never know. It seems highly unlikely but it is possible.

That could be said about just about anyone.

No actually it could not -- Mike Bibby doesn't have 1/4 of Nash's natural instincts. Never did. He could never do what Nash has done there. Few could. We've already seen high end Mike. We've seen contending team Mike -- a 15ppg roleplayer who hits clutch shots. We've seen declinging team Mike, a 18-21ppg scorer who mostly looks for his own shot. And we've seen lotto team Mike, the ineffective mess from last year. And he simply does nto and has neve been in the class of the physical, creative, barreling specimins like Baron, Deron, Paul, nor the superquick darts like Nash or Parker or A.I.. That's not going to change. He's a good point in the right system. But waiting on him to surpass all those other guys through...magic I guess as he approaches 30 is just folly.

 

[Heuge]

Fair enough.

I do think you (and many others) have him de-valued based on one really bad season.

 

[Merdiesel]

Don't forget Gibson is playing along side one of the best players in the league. He would not be doing this good if he didn't have Lebron to distract the defense the entire game.

 

[Bricklayer]

Don't forget Gibson is playing along side one of the best players in the league. He would not be doing this good if he didn't have Lebron to distract the defense the entire game.

well that goes wihtout saying. But that's all you need around superstars -- just ballsy roleplayers who will step up and hit a big shot. Without even hitting shots last night LeBron basically beat the Pistons again. Or at least the fear of LeBron. They doubled and tripled and trapped him, and sure enough, were able to keep him from scoring big. But in the process they just had little chance to get back and cover a guy like Gibson, and so, series over.

 

[ParniValjak]

This is only negative news if you think Bibby ought to be gone. I think with the right players around him he could be an allstar...but that is just me.

He never has been an all-star even then he had the right players around him and also had a system that also was just about tailored for his game!

Bibby never was and never will be an all-star. Good player no doubt but anyone who even thinks of him as an all-star really need to take a good hard look at the situation.

 

[Merdiesel]

He never has been an all-star even then he had the right players around him and also had a system that also was just about tailored for his game!

Bibby never was and never will be an all-star. Good player no doubt but anyone who even thinks of him as an all-star really need to take a good hard look at the situation.

Can i borrow your crystal ball?

 

[Heuge]

He never has been an all-star even then he had the right players around him and also had a system that also was just about tailored for his game!

Bibby never was and never will be an all-star. Good player no doubt but anyone who even thinks of him as an all-star really need to take a good hard look at the situation.

I would say anyone who thinks he was not an allstar calibur player also needs to look at the situation.

Im tired of defending him so I will probably stop, but it is amazing how one bad season has turned Bibby into a scrub in the eyes of so many.

 

[ParniValjak]

Can i borrow your crystal ball?

No but you can borrow some common sense

Nash, Davis, Deron Williams, Paul, Parker, Iverson are all ahead of him for an All-star selection. It doesn't take a crystal ball but a bit of common sense

 

[ParniValjak]

I would say anyone who thinks he was not an allstar calibur player also needs to look at the situation.

Im tired of defending him so I will probably stop, but it is amazing how one bad season has turned Bibby into a scrub in the eyes of so many.

No one is saying that Bibby is a scrub. He is a good player who can be a very good player in the right system but he is no all-star. Never was and never will be.

Last time I checked, not everyone is a scrub thats not an all-star And I have said after 2005-2006 season that Bibby will be next on the trading block. That was before his season under Musselman. My opinion on whether Bibby should go or stay has nothing to do with his year under Musselman. He is a better player than what he showed this season.

 

[DaMan]

No one is saying that Bibby is a scrub. He is a good player who can be a very good player in the right system but he is no all-star. Never was and never will be.

Last time I checked, not everyone is a scrub thats not an all-star And I have said after 2005-2006 season that Bibby will be next on the trading block. That was before his season under Musselman. My opinion on whether Bibby should go or stay has nothing to do with his year under Musselman. He is a better player than what he showed this season.

I completely agree he is good but not and allstar. Seriously as kings fans we tend to overrate our players and i think this was the case for Bibby.

 

[DaMan]

No but you can borrow some common sense

Nash, Davis, Deron Williams, Paul, Parker, Iverson are all ahead of him for an All-star selection. It doesn't take a crystal ball but a bit of common sense

And I think that he will have a hard time making it in the east too. There is Carter, Agent 0, Wade, Rip, Billups, Lebron, Kidd, Joe Johnson and so on. I pretty much think he will never be an allstar.

 

[VF21]

I completely agree he is good but not and allstar. Seriously as kings fans we tend to overrate our players and i think this was the case for Bibby.

Then pretty much every sportscaster around is also guilty of the same sin since the vast majority of them thought Bibby should have received an all-star slot.

 

[Bricklayer]

Then pretty much every sportscaster around is also guilty of the same sin since the vast majority of them thought Bibby should have received an all-star slot.

Outside of Sacto?

He's never had a year where he was over that threshhold. Not one. Some bad luck there -- always just enough better guys ahead of him, and the team slipped as his statistical performance climbed (maybe not coincidence) and so by the time he had his biggest numbers, the elite team boost that got Peja over the hump was gone for us. And now there has been a flood of young stud points into the league, and the window is closed. Not really important anyway -- a guy who is just a one or two time sneak in the back door sort of All Star isn't actually that much more special than a guy who has been on the cusp and never made it. Brad has been an "All-Star" twice. But only because the center position was so terribly weak there. He will never be again either. Ron has the talent, but even so he's not a perennial guy. And he's such a huge distraction he may very well never be again. These guys, all of them, are "All Stars" only in our dreams. Only Kevin has a clean shot at it with his youth, and that's only if he significantly improves again. If he remains just 21ppg without much else to his game, then he's a borderline sneak in type guy too.

P.S. This is just a random muse, but I'm wondering is there a single team in the league who does not have at least one guy more valuable (all things considered) than our very best guy? I'm thinking maybe, maybe Chicago. They might rather have Kevin than Gordon, but I think they'd rather have Deng at this point than anybody we have to offer. But even our fellow terrible teams all have at least one bigger performer. Pau, Zach, Allen, Pierce, Johnson, KG, O'Neal, Redd, Brand, Paul etc. Maybe Philly might be a second team post A.I. trade. And again, its borderline. Iggy stared to blow up last year. Not sure they would trade him straight up for anyone on our roster. Anyway, looking forward to next year, Philly possibly aside we might have the very worst All Star prospects n the entire league.

 

[DaMan]

Then pretty much every sportscaster around is also guilty of the same sin since the vast majority of them thought Bibby should have received an all-star slot.

Good point but i think that was a product of playing on a very good Kings team. But now playing on a team where it is filled with secondary players he was revealed to everybody what he really was, just a good scorer. His best season stat wise was the season after we traded webber and he was not even considered an allstar.

 

[SacTownKid]

Yeah and Bibby was drafted #2 because he is at best a marginal role player at PG. The guy is a very good player, nuff said.

And just to let everyone know, if history tells us anything, the Kings didn't do the Cavs deal, and my guess would be they probably wouldn't now.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

What does whether or not he's a marginal role player have to do with where he was drafted? Especially seeing as how we we're talking about a draft year where Michael Olowkandi, the aforementioned Bibby, Raef LaFrentz, Robert Traylor, Jason Williams, and Larry Hughes all went in the top ten? Every single one of those guys could be considered a marginal role player, or worse.

Just because you're good enough to start doesn't mean you're a "very good player." Sometimes it means that your backup isn't very good, either...

 

[DaMan]

P.S. This is just a random muse, but I'm wondering is there a single team in the league who does not have at least one guy more valuable (all things considered) than our very best guy? I'm thinking maybe, maybe Chicago. They might rather have Kevin than Gordon, but I think they'd rather have Deng at this point than anybody we have to offer. But even our fellow terrible teams all have at least one bigger performer. Pau, Zach, Allen, Pierce, Johnson, KG, O'Neal, Redd, Brand, Paul etc. Maybe Philly might be a second team post A.I. trade. And again, its borderline. Iggy stared to blow up last year. Not sure they would trade him straight up for anyone on our roster. Anyway, looking forward to next year, Philly possibly aside we might have the very worst All Star prospects n the entire league.

I pretty much agree with all of this but I think that Bull would rather have Gordon instead of Kevin. In his point of career kevin is just a spot up shooter, while Gordan can create his on shot, a good slasher, carry's his team for long periods of time and has made some clutch shots.

Another team that might be compable to us is Char but you may say Wallace or Okarfo.

 

[VF21]

Good point but i think that was a product of playing on a very good Kings team. But now playing on a team where it is filled with secondary players he was revealed to everybody what he really was, just a good scorer. His best season stat wise was the season after we traded webber and he was not even considered an allstar.

Balderdash.

With the proper person at the 4, Bibby runs the pick and roll as well as anyone in the league. It's not his fault our power forwards since Webb's departure have been sadly lacking.

And you keep mentioning the all-star thing as though the best always goes. That's just silly and we both know it. All-star selections are popularity contests. The most qualified player doesn't always make it past some of the fan favorites from the larger markets.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

And you keep mentioning the all-star thing as though the best always goes. That's just silly and we both know it. All-star selections are popularity contests. The most qualified player doesn't always make it past some of the fan favorites from the larger markets.

Popularity contest or not, statistically speaking, Bibby's best season was 2004-05, and I think that it could fairly be argued that all five of the guards that made it in the west that season (Bryant, McGrady, Nash, Allen, Ginobili) deserved to get there ahead of Bibby.

 

[SacTownKid]

What does whether or not he's a marginal role player have to do with where he was drafted? Especially seeing as how we we're talking about a draft year where Michael Olowkandi, the aforementioned Bibby, Raef LaFrentz, Robert Traylor, Jason Williams, and Larry Hughes all went in the top ten? Every single one of those guys could be considered a marginal role player, or worse.

Just because you're good enough to start doesn't mean you're a "very good player." Sometimes it means that your backup isn't very good, either...

What I was saying is that what Bibby is and was is not a question mark. If you call a guy getting 15 and 8 his third year in a marginal role player, then man, I wish I was watching the same league you are. There must be some seriously talented mofo's growing on trees left and right.

 

[DaMan]

Balderdash.

With the proper person at the 4, Bibby runs the pick and roll as well as anyone in the league. It's not his fault our power forwards since Webb's departure have been sadly lacking.

And you keep mentioning the all-star thing as though the best always goes. That's just silly and we both know it. All-star selections are popularity contests. The most qualified player doesn't always make it past some of the fan favorites from the larger markets.

I disagree, the popularity contest is the the starting lineup and the starters are usually good enough to come off the bench any way. And the bench is choosen by the coaches and they ususally pick who deserves it. True there are a few players that get injured for most of a season and still gets in but that only happens from time to time.

Bibby needing that proper person at the 4 just proves my point. He needs to be on a team that covers all his weakenss when he was not he was exposed.

 

[DaMan]

What I was saying is that what Bibby is and was is not a question mark. If you call a guy getting 15 and 8 his third year in a marginal role player, then man, I wish I was watching the same league you are. There must be some seriously talented mofo's growing on trees left and right.

Nobody is saying the guy stinks he is pretty good but not an all-star. And those numbers came on a bad Van team and i think his ast number have never been that high ever since.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

What I was saying is that what Bibby is and was is not a question mark. If you call a guy getting 15 and 8 his third year in a marginal role player, then man, I wish I was watching the same league you are.

I call anybody who can't do the same thing on a winning team a marginal role player. After the Bibby/Williams trade, Williams put up virtually the same numbers in Memphis (14.8/8.0) that Bibby did the year before. Neither of them could put up those kind of numbers on a good team.