Carmichael Dave innuendo, "We are officially at Defcon One"

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Kingster

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Just for the record, I don't agree unless PDA has caused this screw up. I don't think he has.
He said he was the one that fired Malone. Voison reported that he and Mullin lobbied Vivek in Las Vegas to do the dirty deed. Did he lie? Did Voison get it incorrectly? That seems improbable, but yeah, if he's as clean as the driven snow, then I'd consider him staying. Highly doubtful though.
 
I was thinking the same thing. Bizarre all the way around. If he is your first choice, get him. Why throw away 24 games of a season ****ing around?

And I think that if Cousins and Karl can get along, Cousin's agents can go **** themselves about some hurt feelings from a few years ago. The contract is signed and he is not a FA for years. Do they want their client to succeed or not? If so, I would think that Karl is a better option than suffering under Corbin. Hopefully Cousins can "explain" that to them.

Because we keep our pick and we get our coach?

Nvm, I'm giving this FO too much credit.
 

rainmaker

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If the Aldridge tweet is true, it's not Cuz's agents holding things up as much as it was Vivek being more than willing to watch this season go belly-up until a team 3000 miles away fired their coach and forced his hand.

I'm surprised so many are buying into the leaks that this is Cuz's agents holding things up. Maybe true, but our FO has proven to be quite dishonest. And how would they have so much pull within our FO now when they had little pull in regards to firing Malone or promoting Corbin? Our GM and owner do what they want, whenever they want and we're supposed to suddenly believe it was Cuz and/or his agent dictating what our FO has been doing over the last 2 months? I don't really buy that.

I'm sure they've made their feelings known but doubt that's the reason we've gone two months with Corbin and are contacting Karl now.
 

Glenn

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You know, it probably needed to happen, going and meeting with Karl if this is going to happen yet I'm not going to let this slide. PDA already completely mishandled the Malone situation as we all know but to follow that up by flying out of state to meet with another coach while you already have Corbin under contract? I've never heard of another GM doing that. But this is also the same GM who talked with Mark Jackson in the arena for two hours just a day after promoting Corbin.

Notice Orlando fired Vaughn, then pursued an open coaching search. That's how you do it.

This FO, for all their talk about culture has zero understanding of the honorable way to do business. There's no code of ethics. It's embarrassing. As I said, probably needed to happen but only due to the complete incompetence we've witnessed the last two months. That's also why hiring Karl, while being a good step, is only one step out of this pile of ****. Other shoe is still covered in it. We've still got this weasel running our FO and I for one can't wait for the day he's back working on political campaigns elsewhere. He's a backstabber.
Petrie or the Maloofs contacted Phil Jackson when Adelman was under contract if that counts. Your point stands however as it is VERY unusual. I doubt if Corbin's contract offers him much protection no matter what anybody said about the length of his contract. We all have learned by now that our FO speaks with forked tongue. I hope we get a mega competent GM.

I didn't read your note carefully as I feel awful so my apologies in advance if I am way off base.
 
If the Aldridge tweet is true, it's not Cuz's agents holding things up as much as it was Vivek being more than willing to watch this season go belly-up until a team 3000 miles away fired their coach and forced his hand.

I'm surprised so many are buying into the leaks that this is Cuz's agents holding things up. Maybe true, but our FO has proven to be quite dishonest. And how would they have so much pull within our FO now when they had little pull in regards to firing Malone or promoting Corbin? Our GM and owner do what they want, whenever they want and we're supposed to suddenly believe it was Cuz and/or his agent dictating what our FO has been doing over the last 2 months? I don't really buy that.

I'm sure they've made their feelings known but doubt that's the reason we've gone two months with Corbin and are contacting Karl now.
I think we're talking about two different hold ups.

The first hold up is because of Vivek and the front office. They thought the Corbin thing would work out okay. That's the "why didn't they make the move right away" hold up.

The second hold up is what's keeping this from completing right now. That may be agreeing on the money, Mullin, and Cousins' agents.
 
If the Aldridge tweet is true, it's not Cuz's agents holding things up as much as it was Vivek being more than willing to watch this season go belly-up until a team 3000 miles away fired their coach and forced his hand.

I'm surprised so many are buying into the leaks that this is Cuz's agents holding things up. Maybe true, but our FO has proven to be quite dishonest. And how would they have so much pull within our FO now when they had little pull in regards to firing Malone or promoting Corbin? Our GM and owner do what they want, whenever they want and we're supposed to suddenly believe it was Cuz and/or his agent dictating what our FO has been doing over the last 2 months? I don't really buy that.

I'm sure they've made their feelings known but doubt that's the reason we've gone two months with Corbin and are contacting Karl now.
I just can't imagine Orlando firing their head coach, and then to this point not contacting Karl would push him towards this level of urgency.

From 'let this season go to waste' to 'hire the most prolific coach on the market' based on some terrible team with a less appealing coaching job seems so far fetched to me.

I agree with the Cousins stuff though. All of that smells incredibly fishy, and the details don't exist.
 

Glenn

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If the Aldridge tweet is true, it's not Cuz's agents holding things up as much as it was Vivek being more than willing to watch this season go belly-up until a team 3000 miles away fired their coach and forced his hand.

I'm surprised so many are buying into the leaks that this is Cuz's agents holding things up. Maybe true, but our FO has proven to be quite dishonest. And how would they have so much pull within our FO now when they had little pull in regards to firing Malone or promoting Corbin? Our GM and owner do what they want, whenever they want and we're supposed to suddenly believe it was Cuz and/or his agent dictating what our FO has been doing over the last 2 months? I don't really buy that.

I'm sure they've made their feelings known but doubt that's the reason we've gone two months with Corbin and are contacting Karl now.
Nor I. It is interesting that Karl wants to work with Cousins but Fegan doesn't think they will get along. I find that bizarre.
 
I think we're talking about two different hold ups.

The first hold up is because of Vivek and the front office. They thought the Corbin thing would work out okay. That's the "why didn't they make the move right away" hold up.

The second hold up is what's keeping this from completing right now. That may be agreeing on the money, Mullin, and Cousins' agents.
I agree that it's probably a mixture of all three of those things. The only insight we have into what Cuz thinks about all this is from shady leaks that his agents are holding things up, his agent is ideally a direct representation of his client's wishes.
 

VF21

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I was thinking the same thing. Bizarre all the way around. If he is your first choice, get him. Why throw away 24 games of a season ****ing around?

And I think that if Cousins and Karl can get along, Cousin's agents can go **** themselves about some hurt feelings from a few years ago. The contract is signed and he is not a FA for years. Do they want their client to succeed or not? If so, I would think that Karl is a better option than suffering under Corbin. Hopefully Cousins can "explain" that to them.
While Karl might have been the first choice, I do believe the front office thought Corbin could step in and be adequate. They totally misread the entire scenario, however, and had no idea things would get as bad as they have.
 

VF21

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You know, bottom line for me is I'm not gonna keep worrying about what went on behind the scenes, who might have balked at getting Karl, etc. If George Karl is the new head coach of the Kings I'm going to jump for joy and once again be able to stomach the thought of watching games again. I honestly won't care what it took to get us back on the right track as long as we're no longer in that dark tunnel looking for any kind of light.

And yes, that's my optimism cautiously peeking out from under the covers.
 
While Karl might have been the first choice, I do believe the front office thought Corbin could step in and be adequate. They totally misread the entire scenario, however, and had no idea things would get as bad as they have.
I think this it's the case
 
I think we're talking about two different hold ups.

The first hold up is because of Vivek and the front office. They thought the Corbin thing would work out okay. That's the "why didn't they make the move right away" hold up.

The second hold up is what's keeping this from completing right now. That may be agreeing on the money, Mullin, and Cousins' agents.
........ and the degree of control/independence Karl will have in coaching the team and "staying in his lane". There really is a lot to talk about and reach agreement on especially if part of the problem has been Rranadive wanting his fingers in the pie as I believe he has.
 
While Karl might have been the first choice, I do believe the front office thought Corbin could step in and be adequate. They totally misread the entire scenario, however, and had no idea things would get as bad as they have.
I agree. I think they just flat out made the wrong decision and had no clue about the ripple effect it would have. Turns out it ended up losing them a season of potential progress but I can only hope they've learned something from it.
 
While Karl might have been the first choice, I do believe the front office thought Corbin could step in and be adequate. They totally misread the entire scenario, however, and had no idea things would get as bad as they have.
Which is hilarious, considering virtually every single one of the posters here knew it was going to get this bad, and also given that this FO claimed to be so open to "fan feedback" or "collective intelligence" or whatever. I guess they underestimated their own powers of denial and self deception.
 

Bricklayer

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If DMC is holding up the Karl hiring, it is such a depressing development - my mind is blown right now. I hope they find a way to smooth it all over. If they are bringing in Karl and DMC is holding his nose... that's just bad.

I hope somebody can lend a perspective on this that 'might' be true, and save's everyone's dignity. If DMC is adamant - I don't know if giving Karl a 5 year contract is the answer after all.

Who DOES cuz want? Does anybody know his thinking on this?
Look, if he is the holdup I think DMC might be RIGHT.

The fanbase has focused on George Karl as a drink of water in a vast desert of incompetence, but I think its mostly a thoughtless "biggst name available" type of endorsement. And I'm not going to jump up and down in anger myself if he is brought in. If the boobs in the front office can't hire a coach who actually fits Cuz, then next up on my list would be a coach who doesn't fit but who's a potential HOFer.

Nonetheless, in short order the reasons to question Karl are:

1) has never coached a big postup big
2) is very much a "pace" guy himself
3) twitchy prima donna type loves chatting to the media and pimping self

If Cuz for instance would rather be coached by Thibodeau, you know what? He may be absolutely right. The problem is in our situation we don't have many options. After what happened most good coaches are either already working, or wouldn't want to take a chance with such a deluded front office having power over them.

And the underlying problem remains completely 100% with Vivek/PDA/Mullin. the idiots inherited the best center of his generation, and their basketball ideology was totally unprepared to maximize that gift. Instead they fight it at every turn. I rather doubt their shortlist of coaches includes ANYBODY who should be coaching the best center of his generation. Not Karl, not Gentry, not Mullin, none of them.
 
If we hire Karl, we will have three head coaches under salary. Maybe the money hang up is that we try to get some other team to take Corbin and/or Malone. Also, Karl may very well want his own coaching staff and that adds to the money problems.

If Vivek severs his monetary relationship with Mullin, my faith in him will be resumed. Giving up a friend for the good of the team is a huge move as far as I'm concerned. Vivek has way too many people under contract and Karl may want to add more. Ooops.
Sounds like a problem started by the clowns running us. You either don't fire malone or the logical leave Corbin as a interim coach instead of signing that clown to a season long contract.
 
Per Voison this morning, the hangup is, wait for it, money!
The overriding factor at this point appears to be financial: Karl would command an annual salary upwards of $4 million, a major potential sticking point given that the Kings will continue to pay Malone through the 2015-16 season.
What else?
I absolutely refuse to believe that businessman like Vivek would balk at a couple a million. This franchise takes way over 100 million to run per season, and they're going to quibble over 2 million bucks?!?
No way. I think this front office is filled with morons who don't understand basketball, but there's no way they don't see the importance now of spending money to hire a strong, respected coach that has a chance of turning this shipwreck around.
The stark contrast between Karl and lesser coaches is so massive.
The one lesson this FO has to have learned from this season is that the coach IS important - in fact, the coach (and the players playing hard for/with him) is the difference between the Kings being a playoff team and being the worst team in the league.

Does it make ANY sense to anyone else to assemble a team who's players cost over $70 million, and then be hyper-concerned with the $2 million more it takes to make them play well (as opposed to playing horribly for some other, cheaper coach)?
 
I'd rather have Thibbs in a heartbeat over Karl. BUT Thibbs is still under contract by the Bulls. It could be a lose-lose scenario if we lose out on Karl to Orlando and the Bulls decide to stick with Thibbs at the end of the year.

We're in a sticky situation.

I would much rather have Thibbs because I think he might be able to utilize Cuz a little better. Plus, he'd probably make our team top 20 in defense.
 
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