Carmichael Dave going HAM on twitter about the Magoofs

[Glenn]

At this point, the story yesterday seemed to indicate that Think Big is going back to the drawing board. They are probably going to explore whether baseball and other civil projects are possible using the parking money.

When the Maloofs when to the BOG last spring, KJ could tell the NBA owners “Wait, we’re working on a plan." That was big. Unless something major changes, there is no longer a plan in the pipe to keep the Kings here with the Maloofs. Maybe, “Sacramento got screwed" keeps the team here one or two seasons, perhaps three. But at some point, if the Maloofs keep control over the team and Sacramento doesn’t fund and break ground on an arena, even if the Maloofs are being unreasonable, the BOG will allow them to be tenants elsewhere.

So to that end, I’m saying next March there will have been no progress on an arena. KJ is hoping the Maloofs run out of cash and RE is kicking the tires on baseball and other things. If I’m an NBA owner, that means as of right now, “There is no progress on an NBA arena here.”

We almost had a plan that’s dead and not being worked on does not constitute current progress.

How do you know this? As I understand it Stern and KJ went to the BOG and they liked what they saw and that's probably because Stern was negotiating on the behalf of the BOG which is his job. When the Maloofs saw the deal, they went ape **** trying to come up with reasons it was no good.

If the team leaves, they will have to play by the new rules which are shifting towards the team paying the most of the expense. Good luck. What city would want them given their history of what they did to Sacramento? Do you honestly think people will forget what happened when they are talking of $300-500 mil projects? If so the Maloofs have found another sucker. No matter where they move, they will eventually need to build or upgrade an arena. Given the Warriors model, that means they fund it all.

Let me add that if the Maloofs hold onto this team for two to three years, it will continue it's bottom feeding status in the NBA. I doubt if the BOG will be impressed. How far will they get by ****ting on Stern?

 

[Warhawk]

Your looking at the blame. That might keep the team here for a season or two (might not). The Maloofs and the city are done with each other and the NBA can't make them take a deal.

If they aren't working on any deal, an arena deal is dead in the water. The NBA led by Stern himself, with a lot of effort and expense, put together one plan that could work at the request of the team, and only then the Maloofs killed it. But the city has tried 5-7 deals and didn't get it done over 12-15 years.

Look at the fundamentals and the players. 29 owners are going to vote as to whether the Maloofs have to stay in a city where the city didn't get an arena done for over 10 years, the city and team aren't even trying to make a deal right now, and the mayor is taking about using the parking money that will be needed to make a deal to build a non-NBA arena instead. In 1 or 2 years, those owners side with the city over the Maloofs?

Fans here are saying "We were fouled!" Yes, we were. Unless something changes, I think that gives us one more season. Maybe, two. At which point, there will be a lot of owners that say, "The Maloofs botched the last deal. The city botched 5 others. You can go." I don't know where they go. I wouldn't be shocked if the NBA tells the, you can move but not to So Cal (which spins off, where? and a possible Maloofs lawsuit).

But the "progress" that ended with a dead deal, isn't going to matter much in 12 or 18 months. To Stern yes, but not to most owners, who fight with cities all the time.

I wanted to fix that statement of yours. I think you underestimate the importance of it.

The NBA gave Sacramento a chance. They took over running the team (effectively) when KJ showed that MSE wasn't even trying to work with the community. Sacramento stepped up to the plate and did what it had to do. I feel the BOG is NOT going to approve a move to a team that has showed such support over the past 25+ years. It poisons the well for other communities to step up and help with arenas. Maybe we will be in a different situation in a year or two, but Stern and the NBA are fed up with MSE actions and want it to work here. Stern said that they may even change revenue sharing to make sure this kind of behavior isn't encouraged. I think everyone is working on a way to get MSE out of Kings ownership.

While I feel that much of your opinion is close to mine in many ways, kennadog is correct in that some of us are still trying to do what we can. I plan to keep fighting until there is nothing left to fight for. And that time is definitely not here yet.

 

[Larry David]

I feel the BOG is NOT going to approve a move to a team that has showed such support over the past 25+ years. It poisons the well for other communities to step up and help with arenas. Maybe we will be in a different situation in a year or two, but Stern and the NBA are fed up with MSE actions and want it to work here. Stern said that they may even change revenue sharing to make sure this kind of behavior isn't encouraged. I think everyone is working on a way to get MSE out of Kings ownership.
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I hope you are right. I think the odds aren't good. You are banking on the league that's let Sterling maim the Clippers for 20 years and let Shinn burn a market and a half.

I can't think of any instance where a league backed a city over a bad and sleezy owner. In the big four sports, it's gone the other way a lot of times. That's all I'm saying.

 

[gunks]

The NBA isnt going to allow the Magoofs to move to Anaheim. Buss and Sterling are going to block the hell out of that, and Stern isnt going to let a family of idiots who wont even field a good team step on the toes of his precious Lakers franchise.

If the Magoofs start talking Seattle, THEN we should all be worried, because I can definitely see the league allow that to go down. But Anaheim is just typical Magoofiness. Its never going to happen.

 

[kingjatt]

The NBA isnt going to allow the Magoofs to move to Anaheim. Buss and Sterling are going to block the hell out of that, and Stern isnt going to let a family of idiots who wont even field a good team step on the toes of his precious Lakers franchise.

If the Magoofs start talking Seattle, THEN we should all be worried, because I can definitely see the league allow that to go down. But Anaheim is just typical Magoofiness. Its never going to happen.

i dont see seattle happening as long as the magoofs are in control because that defeats the purpose of moving for the magoofs, the tv deal plus fronted money from samueli were the reasons for moving to socal and those are out of the picture for seattle up to this point.

only way it happens is they sell to chris hansen and league is trying to get rid of them at all costs that they let hansen buy and move the team and sacrafice sacramento just to get the magoofs out.

I know the league has a buyer approval process, but can the magoofs say we will only sell to hansen or any other outsider who wants to move the team just to stick it to sactown and kj?

 

[kennadog]

Well, the league changed the rules after Sterling moved the Clippers without permission. I suspect there would be a big uproar about Sterling, if the Clippers were the only NBA team in the Southern California market. The Clips have some amazingly loyal fans, but the Lakers are likely to remain number one.

As for Shinn, the league bought the New Orleans Hornets to keep them where they are. That was a pretty huge action/commitment to NO, on the part of the league/BOG, a considerably smaller media market than Sacramento and a city that hasn't supported the team like Sacramento-area fans have have supported theirs. (I will admit that NO is a more attractive destination, but residents need to be the core of the fan base.)

 

[Larry David]

You make some good points about stepping into NO. My point is despite some serious neglect, mismanagement, and deplorably conduct … neither Sterling nor Shinn were forced out. For those of you that aren’t hip, read up on the sexual harassment and racist landlord stuff on Sterling. The owners didn’t force those guys out of the league over that – they are tossing the Maloofs because they negotiated too hard with a city (even if through the league).

 

[Section 101]

i dont see seattle happening as long as the magoofs are in control because that defeats the purpose of moving for the magoofs, the tv deal plus fronted money from samueli were the reasons for moving to socal and those are out of the picture for seattle up to this point.

only way it happens is they sell to chris hansen and league is trying to get rid of them at all costs that they let hansen buy and move the team and sacrafice sacramento just to get the magoofs out.

I know the league has a buyer approval process, but can the magoofs say we will only sell to hansen or any other outsider who wants to move the team just to stick it to sactown and kj?

They couldn't get a TV deal last year. It was samueli's small TV station that was going to be it. Plus, if they move to LA they would no longer be a small market team and would have to pay revenue sharing instead of receiving.

 

[Section 101]

You make some good points about stepping into NO. My point is despite some serious neglect, mismanagement, and deplorably conduct … neither Sterling nor Shinn were forced out. For those of you that aren’t hip, read up on the sexual harassment and racist landlord stuff on Sterling. The owners didn’t force those guys out of the league over that – they are tossing the Maloofs because they negotiated too hard with a city (even if through the league).

Sterling never screwed over Stern's negotiated deal either. All Sterlings stuff was his own personal crap. The Maloofs have crapped on the NBA and Stern.

 

[kingjatt]

They couldn't get a TV deal last year. It was samueli's small TV station that was going to be it. Plus, if they move to LA they would no longer be a small market team and would have to pay revenue sharing instead of receiving.

your right but I think they were banking on a potential big money deal further down the road to be on the dodgers new network which would need winter programming.

 

[Larry David]

Sterling never screwed over Stern's negotiated deal either. All Sterlings stuff was his own personal crap. The Maloofs have crapped on the NBA and Stern.

I'm saying his "personal crap" http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2542741

Is more grounds for being forced out the league and backing away from a non-binding term sheet. At least to 29 other owners.

That's just me.

 

[kennadog]

You make some good points about stepping into NO. My point is despite some serious neglect, mismanagement, and deplorably conduct … neither Sterling nor Shinn were forced out. For those of you that aren’t hip, read up on the sexual harassment and racist landlord stuff on Sterling. The owners didn’t force those guys out of the league over that – they are tossing the Maloofs because they negotiated too hard with a city (even if through the league).

The Maloofs asked Stern to step in and negotiate on their behalf. The Maloofs say nothing until all thought the negotiating, then decide to say no. That has got to make Stern and at least some of the owners mad. The city steps up big and then at the last possible second, an owner solves a good deal bak in the face of that city? That's going to make it harder for every owner who may need city help with an arena.

I have read the stuff on Sterling. Yes, Sterling is a loathesome scumbag of the first order and I think the league should do something about him. Of course, who knows what gets said behind closed doors. Maybe they have said something and/or fined him.

Money tends to rule and Sterling has a whole ton more than the Maloofs. That to me is part of what I think other owners probably don't like about the Maloofs. They're (relatively)poor. Much too poor to be more than a remote, unimportant player in the NBA. The Kings budget is probably petty cash to some of them. Not only that, but the Maloofs didn't earn their wealth. They inherited, rode the economic wave for a while, made poor financial decisions and blew all of daddy's money.

 

[VF21]

You have strong opinions, but they aren't always based in logic.

Perhaps it's not logical to you? I, like many others, refuse to simply roll over and play dead. I will not advocate giving up on the team and, as stated before, I will never subscribe to the notion that not showing up to the games does anything positive.

If that's illogical, so be it.

I think it's very clear that you and I look at a lot of this from totally different points of view and that we will most likely never see eye to eye. For that reason, I'll give you the win in this debate and bow out. I will agree that we have fundamental differences of opinion and leave it at that. You can win the debate. I'm still going to do whatever I can to ensure that the future you envision does not come to pass.

 

[Trueblood]

your right but I think they were banking on a potential big money deal further down the road to be on the dodgers new network which would need winter programming.

Correct. They were gonna be on ch. 56 or whatever this past season and then the Fox deal was going to kick in. The problem for the Maloofs is that I just don't know how much Fox is willing to throw them. The $150 million Dodger deal has a lot of risk. Regular season baseball doesn't even get the ratings that the NBA does yet Fox feels that the Dodgers are worthy of the same deal that the Lakers are getting with TWC. Because of that, I don't know if they want to risk more money with a Maloof team. They could very well wind up with something not much larger than what they get here.

 

[Glenn]

They couldn't get a TV deal last year. It was samueli's small TV station that was going to be it. Plus, if they move to LA they would no longer be a small market team and would have to pay revenue sharing instead of receiving.

I never thought of that. Thanks.

 

[Trueblood]

The only problem is that revenue sharing isn't based on market size but purely on revenue. Therefore, a one horse town like Portland or San Antonio may very well have a team pay into the revenue sharing pool while someone like Denver, Cleveland or Minnesota will draw from it. Portland and SA don't have major sports competition in their respective markets while the latter 3 do so revenues are higher for the teams with no competition.

If the Kings are putting money into the pool then that means they have above average revenue projections which would pretty much solve their internal problems.

However, market size could play a role in what us fans are hoping for and that's if the Kings "underperform" according to market size. Larry Coon talks about it in question 24.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24