Can Anyone on This Team Really Be Traded?

[Kingster]

Martin? We can't trade Martin because we'd lose a zillion points and we already have a problem scoring with this team. We certainly wouldn't get back somebody who could score like he could. Martin is out.

Greene? This name keep coming up. But how can anybody seriously think another team in the NBA would give us anything of value for him?

Noc? Ok, maybe. But what kind of player do you want for him? A big man? But how many teams are going to trade you a big for a small? We had better odds for the #1 pick in the draft last year.

Kenny Thomas? He may be valuable only because of his off the cap salary considerations, but his cap value is not valuable by itself. What could you get JUST for Kenny Thomas? Another Kenny Thomas type player. His value is like one of these subprime mortgages. You've got to package it with other subprime mortgages to make it valuable, but by itself, zippo.

Beno? He's worse than Thomas. His value is depreciated by his contracted, not appreciated. Forget about it.

So who else is there? Hawes? So even if you wanted to give up on the third year big guy, what are going to get - another big guy that some other team wants to give up on?

Barring some other GM going off the deep end, I just don't see a trade happening this year (Of course, I'll probably be wrong). Now next year could be entirely different because the addition of a player in the draft and in FA could make for reduncancies on this team, which often give way to trades.

 

[NoBonus]

Here is my perspective on this issue (that I am not sure why we are discussing now, I mean the season just started)

-Nocioni could be traded and is likely worth an expiring contract and potentially a pick; I could see this happening IF Casspi continues to play like he did in Game #1. Otherwaise, Nocioni is a nice roleplayer to have around.

-Kenny Thomas is extremely valuable do to his large expiring contract, but likely most valuable to the Kings who look to make a Free Agent splash this coming summer.

-Francisco Garcia is hard to trade because of his contract issue, but if Casspi and Tyreke develop like we all hope, as he has been a bit injury prone, I could see Cisco being moved for expiring + pick or prospect.

-Beno will be hard to trade UNLESS he can get some playing time.

-Greene could be traded for another prospect. You say "of value" which is a funny idea... he is a long term prospect at best at this point. But who knows, maybe he will turn things around this season.


I do not know why anyone would trade JT, Hawes, Evans, Casspi, or Martin at this point.

 

[Spike]

Absolutely anyone can be traded. If the right offer is on the table, I wouldn't be surprised to see anyone move. Often times teams in a rebuild can speed up the process by dangling potential talent for a proven star.

Now will it happen in Sacramento? I think there's a financial point to consider. It'll be cheaper in the short term to see if the young group of players will mature into the players we hope they will become. At this point, it saves the Maloofs money. There needs to be a pretty sweet deal to get them to commit to someone long-term after finally escaping financial hell.

 

[HighTopKicks]

Here is my perspective on this issue (that I am not sure why we are discussing now, I mean the season just started)

-Nocioni could be traded and is likely worth an expiring contract and potentially a pick; I could see this happening IF Casspi continues to play like he did in Game #1. Otherwaise, Nocioni is a nice roleplayer to have around.

-Kenny Thomas is extremely valuable do to his large expiring contract, but likely most valuable to the Kings who look to make a Free Agent splash this coming summer.

-Francisco Garcia is hard to trade because of his contract issue, but if Casspi and Tyreke develop like we all hope, as he has been a bit injury prone, I could see Cisco being moved for expiring + pick or prospect.

-Beno will be hard to trade UNLESS he can get some playing time.

-Greene could be traded for another prospect. You say "of value" which is a funny idea... he is a long term prospect at best at this point. But who knows, maybe he will turn things around this season.


I do not know why anyone would trade JT, Hawes, Evans, Casspi, or Martin at this point.

The Bulls were willing to take on Millers contract, and he's getting significant minutes on a team that almost beat Boston in the playoffs. So, I'm positive that there are teams that would take Hawes. Although your not going to get another big in return, because there aren't a large pool of bigs out there. And, that's why there are alot of teams that would take JT. JT has no center skills (low post offense or defensive in the paint) but he's athletic and the right size, so there's still time for him to develop skills. But, the main point is we don't have anyone else, and were not going to win in a trade of Big for Big. To get someone better, we'll have to give up another talent to make the deal.

K9's value is only to teams looking to free up cap space for next years FA market, and the list includes us. To move him we'll have to take back a longer contract. But, it won't be for a star, because teams are going to pay their stars, and get cheap on their role players. So, to trade K9 we're going to have to take back an overprice role player or over the hill star. We're better off letting his contract expire and keep the cap space for ourselves.

May & Mason & Brockman are expiring like K9. And, if May has a good year he's going to put himself on the open market next year, to get teams to get into a bidding war over his services.

Sergio is an expiring and will be looking for a new contract next year. He would have value in a trade because of talent, but his contract value is too low except as fill in for a big name contract. Maybe Utah would take him in trade for Fresnko along with one of their bad contracts.

Beno & Noc are good role players and could be moved along with Martin or K9, but on their own they won't return anything of value. Cisco is in the same boat but his injury and return too close to the trade deadline make his trade before next summer unlikely.

Tyreke, Omri & Donte are inexpensive talant with potential. We won't give them up unless it's a multiplayer trade to bring a star. Plus Tyreke is our future scoring leader, and we'll see Martin moved before Tyreke.

Without Martin the Kings won't win 17 games this year. So, maybe that would be the smart thing to do. Trade Martin for an early 1st rounder and a talent( Indiana's Hibbert). Switch Tyreke to SG, give Beno back his job, move Omri to starting SF and Donte his backup and play for the 1st pick in the draft. It won't be any fun to watch, but then most people wouldn't watch, so who cares.

 

[kennadog]

Well, if JT has time to develop, then so does Hawes. Obviously Hawes isn't as athletic, but he's a legit seven-footer and he's younger than JT, so he has time to develop, too. I don't think we should jettison his cheap contract yet. This year will be important for Hawes, though, to really show some clear development in the right direction.

 

[bajaden]

Martin? We can't trade Martin because we'd lose a zillion points and we already have a problem scoring with this team. We certainly wouldn't get back somebody who could score like he could. Martin is out.

Greene? This name keep coming up. But how can anybody seriously think another team in the NBA would give us anything of value for him?

Noc? Ok, maybe. But what kind of player do you want for him? A big man? But how many teams are going to trade you a big for a small? We had better odds for the #1 pick in the draft last year.

Kenny Thomas? He may be valuable only because of his off the cap salary considerations, but his cap value is not valuable by itself. What could you get JUST for Kenny Thomas? Another Kenny Thomas type player. His value is like one of these subprime mortgages. You've got to package it with other subprime mortgages to make it valuable, but by itself, zippo.

Beno? He's worse than Thomas. His value is depreciated by his contracted, not appreciated. Forget about it.

So who else is there? Hawes? So even if you wanted to give up on the third year big guy, what are going to get - another big guy that some other team wants to give up on?

Barring some other GM going off the deep end, I just don't see a trade happening this year (Of course, I'll probably be wrong). Now next year could be entirely different because the addition of a player in the draft and in FA could make for reduncancies on this team, which often give way to trades.

I think Nocioni has trade value. I know Boston was trying to get him last year at the trading deadline. Now what you can get in return is another matter. I bet that Boston would be interested again with the injury to big baby. The problem is, that other than Perkins, they have no one that I would want..

K. Thomas is very tradable, and at 8.7 mil, he could be moved for someone making around 9.5 mil. Actualy the King's total salary is right at 54.8 mil. The current cap is set at 57.7 mil. So the King's are just about 3 mil under the cap. So, the Kings could trade KT to the 76's for Dalembert who makes right at 12 mil. With our 3 mil under the cap we could absorb the difference. The 76's get salary cap relief, and the Kings get a backup center. And if he's good enough to beat out Hawes, so be it.

I had another thought, that maybe the Capt can answer for me. Were still on the books for 2 mil left over from Mikki Moore's contract. I was wondering if that is tradable, since its also expiring?

 

[Kingster]

I think Nocioni has trade value. I know Boston was trying to get him last year at the trading deadline. Now what you can get in return is another matter. I bet that Boston would be interested again with the injury to big baby. The problem is, that other than Perkins, they have no one that I would want..

K. Thomas is very tradable, and at 8.7 mil, he could be moved for someone making around 9.5 mil. Actualy the King's total salary is right at 54.8 mil. The current cap is set at 57.7 mil. So the King's are just about 3 mil under the cap. So, the Kings could trade KT to the 76's for Dalembert who makes right at 12 mil. With our 3 mil under the cap we could absorb the difference. The 76's get salary cap relief, and the Kings get a backup center. And if he's good enough to beat out Hawes, so be it.

I had another thought, that maybe the Capt can answer for me. Were still on the books for 2 mil left over from Mikki Moore's contract. I was wondering if that is tradable, since its also expiring?

You seem to be aggreing with me on Noc. Who exactly is going to give us a quality big man for Noc? Nobody.

So in trading Thomas you're getting a backup center in Dalembert, maybe a starter for us, but at the same time you're taking a hit on the $ you could have in FA, right? Are you willing to sacrifice the possibility of getting an above average unknown in FA for the sake of getting the known of an average center today?

 

[swisshh]

Noc, Martin and Kenny should all be tradeable. The team won 17 games, nobody is safe. The only ones you probably don't trade are Thompson and the rookies.

Noc, Martin and Kenny have the most value. Noc would help a lot of contenders, Martin would make teams contenders and Kenny is salary dump.

Even with his scoring, you should be looking to trade Kevin now. At this point, his trade value is only going to go progressively down with this team. The front office has repeatedly traded their stars at the low end of value while the team was continually dropping off, and the franchise has vividly suffered for it. If you can get a big or a good draft pick for Martin, you do it. It would be a sign the front office is headed in the right direction.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I had another thought, that maybe the Capt can answer for me. Were still on the books for 2 mil left over from Mikki Moore's contract. I was wondering if that is tradable, since its also expiring?

I'm prettys sure the answer is no. If you cut a guy and still owe him money, you can't trade the money he's owed.

 

[Löwenherz]

Martin, Noc and KT are all very tradable from both a "would anyone want X player" and a "can we do without X player" perspective (in KT's case, X player's contract).

Martin particularly from both sides especially considering the two is Evans' more natural position.

Noc is a little more tricky because of his contract, but we'll probably see his trade value skyrocket around the deadline when teams in the hunt try for that little extra push.

As for Hawes, JT, Cisco, etc ... I like 'em all, but I wouldn't feel the slightest remorse seeing them go considering who we got back.

Really, I only see two "untradable" players on the roster.

I think we're stuck with Beno for a while. On the flipside, I think Evans is quickly becoming as close to "untouchable" as this team has.

 

[bajaden]

I'm prettys sure the answer is no. If you cut a guy and still owe him money, you can't trade the money he's owed.

Hey! You can't blame me for trying.....Just making sure they didn't forget to dot some I' and cross some T's.

 

[bajaden]

You seem to be aggreing with me on Noc. Who exactly is going to give us a quality big man for Noc? Nobody.

So in trading Thomas you're getting a backup center in Dalembert, maybe a starter for us, but at the same time you're taking a hit on the $ you could have in FA, right? Are you willing to sacrifice the possibility of getting an above average unknown in FA for the sake of getting the known of an average center today?

The later is a question, thankfully I don't have to answer. We would be getting a legitimate center thats better defensively than he is offensively. He's been in the league long enough to know exactly what your getting. So is that enough? I don't know. I do know he's probably overpaid for what he does.

Its tricky! Sometimes a player like Dalembert is a piece you slide in and everything clicks. Like the final piece of the puzzle. But he just as easily could be the square peg trying to go into the round hole. If he's the former, then everyone around here will forget what he's being paid. But if he would end up being the latter, Kayte bar the door.. And, she's big enough to do it too.

 

[AriesMar27]

dalembert would be nice but he could just as easily turn into a dampier for us... plus with brand on the sixers i dont know how we could get him. they would need a center and i doubt that they would want hawes and thomas for dalembert. they are in the east so even if they suck they are still in a position to make the playoffs. anything can happen in a 7 game series....

martin is the most tradeable player on the team. thomas would be up there too but everyone is so stuck on trying to sign someone in the offseason which probably wont happen. we'll probably end up with another sean may next offseason. we wont even be top 7 cap wise next offseason. we wont be able to sign any marquee players, maybe we can over pay for a role player but thats about it. we might as well take our lumps and make a move for a player this deadline and try out the freeagent pool for 2011...

with that said, i welcome trading thomas and greene for eddy curry... if we can somehow trade martin and nocioni for a 2011 expiring like jason richardson and some filler we would be in much better shape for the future than we would be by waiting out this season and trying to lure a superscrub to this team. if hawes cant beat curry for the starting spot then he is a bust because curry is a bust. we can play evans at sg, jrich at sf... we dont lose out on any scoring because richardson and evans can handle that.

we are going to lose a lot of games this season regardless of what we do short of us trading for a superstar player today... if we wait until the trade deadline it will be too late to make a push for the playoffs in the west. if we wait until the offseason to improve the team we wont have enough cash to compete for a worthwhile free agent.

though i still like the idea of trading martin and nocioni for tmac which would free up a lot of capspace for this summer. even if he doesnt play this season we would free up minutes for sergio, casspi and greene. we can lose all by ourselves but lets at least lose with some money in our pockets....

 

[Oprostaj]

not sure of Eddy's contract, but if it's anything that is longer than a year that trade is stupid at its best. i've watched him play in Chicago and New york, and that guy is not a bust but a "never was" part of the whole twin towers experiment in Chicago, he's just another in a long line that doesn't care, and is not interested in expanding/improving his game. throw in the fact that he's a whiner and a cancer to boot, plus injury prone, not sure what giving away your best trading chip and a young athletic swing man for him would do for us. we shouldn't need another crappy C to figure out if our crappy C is crappy. You see him ever day in practice and in games. if he sucks he sucks