call the moving company THEY NEED TO GO

[upinsmoke]

okay i will start with quincy im sure im not the only one who thinks douby needs to get moved. Not only is he not a true point guard he does not even avg 1 assist in almost 12 mins a game he is a liability one defense because he takes so many risks on the defensive end. TRADE HIM IN THE SUMMER please gp. Furthermore i cant see Beno leading this team deep into the playoffs i like the guy but unless we can resign him on the cheap again and acquire a true young point in the summer he should get shipped out as well. MIkki's contract expires as well i dont see him getting a offer either because of his weak midrange game and avg rebounding skills i hope spencer can up his game so that can be done with ease.

 

[ParniValjak]

WTF?!

What play-offs are you dreaming about?! Beno is EXACTLY the type of PG we need in transition period and Mikki's contract still has 2 seasons to go after this one!

 

[RunNGun]

Lock this thread. Somebody is definitely up in some kind of smoke.

 

[DocHolliday]

okay i will start with quincy im sure im not the only one who thinks douby needs to get moved. Not only is he not a true point guard he does not even avg 1 assist in almost 12 mins a game he is a liability one defense because he takes so many risks on the defensive end. TRADE HIM IN THE SUMMER please gp. Furthermore i cant see Beno leading this team deep into the playoffs i like the guy but unless we can resign him on the cheap again and acquire a true young point in the summer he should get shipped out as well. MIkki's contract expires as well i dont see him getting a offer either because of his weak midrange game and avg rebounding skills i hope spencer can up his game so that can be done with ease.

First off, what is wrong with you? They lose a game after winning 3 straight and you run around like Chicken Little.

Douby isn't a true PG, but he is a serviceable guard and has played well at the 2. He is talented.

Beno is a damn good PG. I don't want to overpay him either, but he definitely needs to stay.

Mikki's contract is guaranteed through half of the 09-10 season. He had a 3 year contract with 2.5 seasons guaranteed. Get your facts straight before you start blabbering.

 

[upinsmoke]

well i got my info from hoopshype.com if anyone knows a better site let me know. In my opinion beno is just a good back up what has he done to make you guys think he can lead the charge IN THE WEST be realistic please and douby is not a diamond in the rough by any means i dont see potential in him at all.

remember im talking about trying to be a legit contender nothing less.

 

[venom_7]

Douby is not a defensive liability, he is one of our better players on that end. As far as Beno being the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs? By the time we are even seriously talking about playoffs, its gonna be 4 or 5 years. (Hopefully.) So its a moot point.

 

[upinsmoke]

pay attention to his game please (douby). He is a okay one on one defender when he can control himself and not expose the defense by going for the steal in the passing lane and miss. Am i really the only one who can see his game is weak LOL.

 

[Rockmeister]

pay attention to his game please (douby). He is a okay one on one defender when he can control himself and not expose the defense by going for the steal in the passing lane and miss. Am i really the only one who can see his game is weak LOL.

We do pay attention to his game. Just because we do not see things as you, doesn't mean we aren't paying attention. And you are not the only one that can see Douby's game as weak.

 

[upinsmoke]

We do pay attention to his game. Just because we do not see things as you, doesn't mean we aren't paying attention. And you are not the only one that can see Douby's game as weak.

okay good i dont everyone to see everthing as the way i do but as long as people can see douby's weak i can live with that.

 

[bloom]

Douby is never going to be a point guard and I don’t think he was in college either. Even though Geoff said he can fill that void, we didn’t draft him because he can see the court. I don’t understand why everybody wants to put him just into the point guard position. The guy has talent in shooting and once he gets the hang of it I’m sure he’ll be a good defender as well. We also said Garcia can be a point at times. Is he? No he’s not but he’s becoming a great player. We have to give Douby a shot. He’s barely seen the floor, so give him time. As far as Beno, he’s a great transition player. Do I want to give him a fat contract – No. But is he worth keeping around to build upon – Yes.

I’m not sure where you’re going with Mikki, but I wish his contract was shorter, much shorter. I can understand why we picked him up, he has energy, but he doesn’t do anything for us and is taking a lot of money from the team/other player available (if/when there were other players available). But I guess he's here to fill a void that we had and still have.

 

[bajaden]

well i got my info from hoopshype.com if anyone knows a better site let me know. In my opinion beno is just a good back up what has he done to make you guys think he can lead the charge IN THE WEST be realistic please and douby is not a diamond in the rough by any means i dont see potential in him at all.

remember im talking about trying to be a legit contender nothing less.

I've got a suggestion for you. Instead of getting your info from hoopshype, or any other site, try watching the damm games. What are you smoking. Beno has been playing far better than I expected. He's done everything asked of him, including going back to the bench when Bibby came back, and frankly, I think he played better than Bibby.
As far as Douby is concerned, the jury is still out. He will never be a pt guard, but he could develop into a nice change of pace guard off the bench. Its still just his second year.

 

[DocHolliday]

I've got a suggestion for you. Instead of getting your info from hoopshype, or any other site, try watching the damm games. What are you smoking. Beno has been playing far better than I expected. He's done everything asked of him, including going back to the bench when Bibby came back, and frankly, I think he played better than Bibby.
As far as Douby is concerned, the jury is still out. He will never be a pt guard, but he could develop into a nice change of pace guard off the bench. Its still just his second year.

Well his name is upinsmoke. I'm guessing he's been hittin the herb.

 

[upinsmoke]

I've got a suggestion for you. Instead of getting your info from hoopshype, or any other site, try watching the damm games. What are you smoking. Beno has been playing far better than I expected. He's done everything asked of him, including going back to the bench when Bibby came back, and frankly, I think he played better than Bibby.
As far as Douby is concerned, the jury is still out. He will never be a pt guard, but he could develop into a nice change of pace guard off the bench. Its still just his second year.

i watch 98% of the games and i bealive beno is a good player and will make a solid backup but i dont feel he should be our starting 1 if the goal is make a run into the playoffs next year just my opinion.

 

[beb0p]

For Beno, it depens on the mighty dollar. I don't think he is the long term solution either but I'd keep him at around $3-4 millions/yr (similar to what Marcus Banks is getting, which I think is fair). The problem is he'll be asking for at least the MLE and I don't think he's worth that to us (for another team maybe). Overall, I won't be sad if we lose him and I won't be overjoyed if we sign him.

As for Douby, the dude has a habit of sucking for a few years and then suddenly exploded. He was a nobody in HS until he caught fire in his senior yr and he was a medicore college player until he became the second coming of Juan Dixon in his junior yr. So I'd give him another year to see how things turn out.

 

[NoBonus]

Douby has a few qualities that make me like him:

1. He is cheap
2. He is young
3. GP saw enough potential in his skills to draft him
4. He can score

 

[VF21]

i watch 98% of the games and i bealive beno is a good player and will make a solid backup but i dont feel he should be our starting 1 if the goal is make a run into the playoffs next year just my opinion.

You have entirely missed the "point."

By using him now, Petrie will be able to decide whether or not he wants him as the point guard of the future. I guess you must have the sound down when you're watching the games as this has been brought up numerous times by Grant and Jerry.

If the goal is to make a run into the playoffs next year? In whose dreams? Sorry, but what part of "rebuilding" is it you don't understand?

We're finally seeing the beginnings of a commitment to rebuilding and you think it will be done by next season?

 

[icp3425]

This guy reminds me of this person that was telling me about how great "Devin Martin" is.

 

[fnordius]

okay...

I agree that Mikki and Quincy have not been making the team better, and that Beno's decent, but no more than that. Unfortunately, the FO hasn't given us any alternatives. I hope that changes this summer, it wouldn't be hard to draft a PF with more potential than Mikki, and an actual PG to take that responsibility from Douby, who I don't think will ever be one.

An upgrade for Beno is going to be harder. Unless we get a great draft pick in summer '09, that's probably going to take a trade.

 

[G_M]

"Up in Smoke" is my favorite Cheech and Chong movie..........

 

[upinsmoke]

it is possible to make the playoffs next year dont forget there are still are gm's that would be willing to take a few of our contracts off our hands kenny thomas , quincy douby and mikki moore and even john salmons still have trade value. It all depends on how the maloofs and gp handle these next few months there can be a turn around sooner than some people think.

 

[VF21]

it is possible to make the playoffs next year dont forget there are still are gm's that would be willing to take a few of our contracts off our hands kenny thomas , quincy douby and mikki moore and even john salmons still have trade value. It all depends on how the maloofs and gp handle these next few months there can be a turn around sooner than some people think.

Now you're just being silly. Kenny Thomas has trade value?

So are you his mother or his agent?

 

[Spike]

it is possible to make the playoffs next year dont forget there are still are gm's that would be willing to take a few of our contracts off our hands kenny thomas , quincy douby and mikki moore and even john salmons still have trade value. It all depends on how the maloofs and gp handle these next few months there can be a turn around sooner than some people think.

Hoo boy.

Listen, if GMs were willing to take the contracts, KT would be in a different city by now. The turnaround you speak of MUST take longer if you are building around youth. Garcia, Martin, Hawes, Douby, Williams. There's the youthful element. Whether or not Williams and Udrih will be part of the rebuild is TBD.
Miller, SAR, and I guess Artest fall under "established vets." I'm not sure that they'll be a part of the final product. (SAR for obvious reasons.) The rest of the players are pretty much just filler until they're replaced with someone better.
If Petrie gets a PG in the draft, it'll be another couple of years, since game-ready PGs don't fall out of the sky where the Kings will be drafting.
I'm resigned to about 2-3 years of turnaround. That doesn't mean I'm not going to enjoy the younger kids getting better and Hawes learning from Miller.
What you want to happen would involve GP building around Artest, Miller, and Martin for one last push, thereby sacrificing the youth that is currently being stockpiled. That's an interesting discussion worth having, since we would all have different ideas on what that would look like.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I'll agree with your first sentiment, but stop right there: Douby is replaceable. I'm a fan of homegrown talent and he's had his flashes, and while they are flip sides of the coin to analyze, I think at this stage the negatives outweigh the positives, some of it not even in his control: We have a glut of guards on our roster, and it clearly has seemed that Douby is the odd man out of the rotation, and he's only scraping up spot minutes at this stage. Another thing is that, as you said, he has shown zilch PG skills, clearly is not a PG, and while he can mold himself into the prototypical NBA undersized 2-guard (and he's shown a very nice stroke, including those nice floaters) I still consider him a dime a dozen; many undersized guards can do those things. I think gaining consistency is his biggest concern now, and then diversifying his game should his other goal. He's only going to get so far with what he is, and in a league of hierarchies, he needs to gain some trust as well before he can excel in this league.

 

[upinsmoke]

im sure we can doop the knicks into taking some of our unwanted baggage everyone else has LOL.

 

[bloom]

it is possible to make the playoffs next year dont forget there are still are gm's that would be willing to take a few of our contracts off our hands kenny thomas , quincy douby and mikki moore and even john salmons still have trade value. It all depends on how the maloofs and gp handle these next few months there can be a turn around sooner than some people think.

Why do you want to trade Douby that quickly? Time and experience is needed in order to see what Quincy can really do.

I used to think that we could trade Kenny and still a small part of me thinks or wishes we could/can. But right now, I don’t think he’s going to be traded. But I do see trade value for John & Mikki. John has established that if he’s given the starter nod that he can produce and take it to the hoop. Mikki would be a great bench guy, coming in for a starter.

 

[CruzDude]

Douby has never had much playing time but he is a decent to good defender and he "has been" the best 3 pt shooter on the team in practice. Sort of a poor mans Brent Barry (only shorter and much, much newer).

Beno is a good PG who is getting his first starting and first 30+ min/game of his NBA career. He is a true PG and had several years of internship at San Antonio and has a ring from backing up Tony Parker. Not a bad resume. He needs the rest of this year to see what he really brings. And the rest of the team has to move better without the ball for him to get assists up. He can drive and score or kick out and is sneaky quick.

 

[RunNGun]

From what I heard about Douby in his practices with the Kings before the draft he was something to watch. I remember and article where Douby said he missed something around 3 shots the entire day. That included a couple hundred from everywhere on the court. He had a better practice than Peja, Martin, Garcia, or anyone that had ever come to the Kings. Its like getting a 1590 on the SATs. It may not mean your the smartest kid on the block, but that little twinkle of brilliance will take you a lot of places.

If he becomes the instant O kind of player that I believe he will become then he could be a great addition to the future Kings.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

douby is set for a break out year next year. clear out some space for him to play. i'm a big douby fan! the guy is like a pterodactyl with his wingspan. hes got decent handles. he just needs playing time.

 

[mac]

I think limited minutes forces any player to try to do too much, and in the orlando game that was the case for Douby. Sometimes I feel he should just take the 3 instead of driving too...

 

[Bricklayer]

Douby is a scrawny 6'3" OG without any discernible PG skills. That's not going to change, and its always problematic in the NBA. Its even more problematic when you happen to play for a team that is already fully loaded (and overloaded) at the OG/SF positions. There is little future for him here barring some dramatic roster changes.