Breaking: Artest Traded to Houston

Bricklayer

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Gary said:
^^^ The quote above, I didn't see Brick's post.

Brick.. The team is only scary on paper. They have to be healthy, and Artest needs to play team ball for that team to be scary on the floor. I truly believe that is there were injury issues this year the Rockets could have a hard time making the playoffs. I find it hard to believe that McGrady, and Artest will mesh on the floor. It just doesn't look like that good of a fit. But I have been proven wrong in the past so who knows. Maybe I will wish upon a star and hope our new draft pick falls somewhere in the lottery ;)
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That team is scary on a lot more than paper. They play exactly the style Ron loves to play. They play for the one coach for whom he has not (yet) lost respect. They were a near elite team last year before Yao went down, and now you add Ron Artest for free. Ron is a nutter, but this is his contract year, this is his coach, the Rockets are the team that showed faith in him or whatever so he can prove whatever he has to prove to the world...and the last time he was remotely focused and on a team that talented they won 61 games. There are no long term sure bets with Ron, but health permitting that team is a threat to win 60 now, and there are going to be ngihts when they are just going to strangle even the best teams.
 
Gary

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Bricklayer said:
That team is scary on a lot more than paper. They play exactly the style Ron loves to play. They play for the one coach for whom he has not (yet) lost respect. They were a near elite team last year before Yao went down, and now you add Ron Artest for free. Ron is a nutter, but this is his contract year, this is his coach, the Rockets are the team that showed faith in him or whatever so he can prove whatever he has to prove to the world...and the last time he was remotely focused and on a team that talented they won 61 games. There are no long term sure bets with Ron, but health permitting that team is a threat to win 60 now, and there are going to be ngihts when they are just going to strangle even the best teams.
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The were only in the playoffs because they had that winning streak. If they went 16-6 instead of 22-0 they wouldn't even have been in the playoffs. They had a bit of luck on their side playing so well after the Yao injury.

But it's all a matter of seeing things differently than one another. They do play a game consistent with Artest's strengths, but I am looking forward to seeing how well they play together. It's VERY interesting to speculate though.

Look at Denver.. Who would have thought a team with Camby/Iverson/Anthony/Martin would be so bad looking at them a couple years ago. Definitely scary on paper, but aren't made to win anything in the playoffs. They were criticized for D even though they had Iverson, and Camby.
 
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Gary said:
The motivational problems had a lot to do with the coaching they had at Syracuse. Greene felt he wasn't used correctly so he ended up just jacking up shot after shot when he got the ball. That's also why he was a one and done, and why he slipped from about #10 at the beginning of the year to late teens early 20s. Phoenix took a long hard look at Greene after Budinger dropped out.

Overall it's a good trade. We got YOUTH for Artest. That's what we all wanted. The heck with Houston thinking they ripped us off. We are in the know about Ron Artest, and his antics. We all know that he was gone after next year.

This is the situation.... I would like to pose a question here........ Anyone could answer...

Would you rather have Ron Artest, and his salary off the books after the 08-09 season, OR would you rather have Donte Greene, and a 2009 first round draft pick on the books after the 08-09 Season?

For me the answer is simple.. I would rather take on 2 first round draft picks salaries which equate to about 4mil depending on where the pick is next year. 4mil is worth taking on 2 first round draft picks.
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Yeah. Greene is pretty talented and I kinda wanted him with #12. Next year's draft is pretty deep and even a 22-27ish pick is going to be pretty decent, just like it was this year. At this point I like our options.
 
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generally agree brick. however, that houston team kept on winning without yao. yao went out at 13 games won, and they kept it till 22, mostly consisting of role players and rookies who stepped up big.

now you add some growth with scola, hayes, landry, brooks, consistent spot shooting and defense with the glue guy, and 3 all star talents, its definitely a much tougher west vying for playoffs (yet again).
 
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pkballr

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Kings Faithful said:
Wow.....everyone before 2000 with the lucky exception of Peja were not very good picks...we squandered our #3 pick for some guy ive personally never heard of, being that i was born that year....And Jason was a good player but seeing that those players were on the board makes me want to kill myself. Its funny...we are probably the only team that literally gets better players with late draft picks than lottery picks...why not just trade our lotteries away every single year for a 16-25 because thats where all are talent has come from...
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Billy Owens became Mitch Richmond, who than became Webber. After that though...
 
Aenadin

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the trade if pulls through is a win win as every one says im glad that this team will thwart the lakers in the offseason :D

rockets are taking the artest experiment and seeing if he will respond well with rick adelman, unless artest becomes egotistic and starts taking the team as his own then we will have a problem ala indiana.

Rockets just got a LOT stronger, and im looking forward for us to rebuild and for the rockets to give the lakers hell.. its so good how laker fans are cursing and ranting on and on right now how they SHOULD have gotten artest
 
Kingster

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LPKingsFan said:
Does anyone remember what the scuttlebut was on draft night about why Greene dropped so much? As long as it's nothing something to be majorly concerned about, it could very well be a good thing he slipped. Nothing like a young talent with a chip on the shoulder...
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The kid is immature, takes a lot of three's even though he had low percentage, defense is probably a major ? because they only play zone at Syracuse. May have a "selfish" rap. The question is: Will he grow up?
 
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BMiller52 said:
even a 22-27ish pick is going to be pretty decent, just like it was this year. At this point I like our options.
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The draft pick definitely is going to be low, but next year's draft class isn't perceived as deep in the level we're drafting. It will certainly expedite the rebuilding, but don't count on that pick to dazzle us--I don't think a certain Donte Greene will be dropping there again next year, for example.
 
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Gary said:
The were only in the playoffs because they had that winning streak. If they went 16-6 instead of 22-0 they wouldn't even have been in the playoffs. They had a bit of luck on their side playing so well after the Yao injury.
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You could say if about a lot of teams in the West last year. There was only a seven game difference from the top seed to the 8th seed. A 55 win season isn't all that bad.
 
Sptsjunkie

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BMiller52 said:
Yeah. Greene is pretty talented and I kinda wanted him with #12. Next year's draft is pretty deep and even a 22-27ish pick is going to be pretty decent, just like it was this year. At this point I like our options.
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The pick should be a low one, but the one thing I haen't seen people mention is that we could use it to take a player or as trade bait. Especially if we wind up with another 10-13 pick, combining that with a pick in the 20s could help us move up into the 4-8 range. Or we could pull a Portland and convince a bad GM to trade us a potential superstar for the pick and the pu pu platter.
 
Sptsjunkie

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Hopefully this also settles the thread from a couple weeks ago on "should we have traded Peja for Artest." Peja's cap space would have had a negligible effect for us if he had walked. And as things stand:

Peja = Harrington = Murphy + Dunleavy

Artest = expiring contract + rookie + draft pick + $1 million dollars
 
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pkballr said:
I'm hearing that it's both the 2nd rounders this year. I wish we don't have to give up Sean. I was pretty excited when the Kings picked him. I think he was just holding back in summer league. Obviously compared to the FGs he took in his college career to what he did in Vegas, he was extremely passive. If it is him, hopefully the Kings can use whatever cash considerations to get him back
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Singletary may turn out to be a good player, but by all indications, Bobby Brown is better. Brown is on a two year guaranteed deal, so Singletary may have ended up in the D-League anyway.
 
bajaden

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Gary said:
^^^ The quote above, I didn't see Brick's post.

Brick.. The team is only scary on paper. They have to be healthy, and Artest needs to play team ball for that team to be scary on the floor. I truly believe that is there were injury issues this year the Rockets could have a hard time making the playoffs. I find it hard to believe that McGrady, and Artest will mesh on the floor. It just doesn't look like that good of a fit. But I have been proven wrong in the past so who knows. Maybe I will wish upon a star and hope our new draft pick falls somewhere in the lottery ;)
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I have no idea how it will work out for Houston, but I would almost bet my life that they make the playoffs. You've got to remember that Artest is in the last year of his contract, so chances are, he'll be a good boy so he can get the money at the end of the year.

Now, having said all that, I could care less about Houston. I only care about the Kings. If it works out for Houston, fine. I have no regrets. Hopefully, it works out for us, and thats all I care about. I think its a reasonably good trade for us. We received young talent now and for the future.
 
bajaden

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Kings Faithful said:
Wow.....everyone before 2000 with the lucky exception of Peja were not very good picks...we squandered our #3 pick for some guy ive personally never heard of, being that i was born that year....And Jason was a good player but seeing that those players were on the board makes me want to kill myself. Its funny...we are probably the only team that literally gets better players with late draft picks than lottery picks...why not just trade our lotteries away every single year for a 16-25 because thats where all are talent has come from...
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Ahhh, I think you need to do a little research my young friend. That number 3 pick you never heard of, was one of the top college players that year. I will admit that he never lived up to his rep, but he was almost immediately traded to the Warriors for Mitch Richmond. Lionel Simmons set the college scoring record while in school, and was a very good player until he went down with knee injuries. Ditto the injury thing with Hurley. We'll never know how good he might have been without the horrible accident.

Brian Grant was a very good pick, and Petire received a lot of flack when he wasn't able to resign him when he left for Portland. Walt Williams, was probably the poorest pick as far as reaching potential. He had a lot of talent, but seemed to lack proper motivation. Its true, there were better players drafted after J. Will. But at the time the Kings needed a point guard, and in the short term, he helped put the Kings on the map. He was a nightly highlight reel on ESPN. He then turned into Mike Bibby.

All in all, if you take out Hurley, because of the accident, they wern't bad draft picks. Your always going to be able to look back and see what you should have done. If you want to look at a couple of bad picks, how about picking Joe Kleine over Karl Malone, or passing on Kevin Johnson, for Kenny Smith. Johnson was less obvious, unless you were a Cal fan. But I was screaming for Malone at the time and went into a coma when we picked Kleine. Its not a perfect world.
 
Spike

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macadocious

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Kings Faithful said:
Wow.....everyone before 2000 with the lucky exception of Peja were not very good picks...we squandered our #3 pick for some guy ive personally never heard of, being that i was born that year....And Jason was a good player but seeing that those players were on the board makes me want to kill myself. Its funny...we are probably the only team that literally gets better players with late draft picks than lottery picks...why not just trade our lotteries away every single year for a 16-25 because thats where all are talent has come from...
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Do some research. Billy O was a fantastic talent, and he landed us Mitch Richmond.
 
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