There's a pretty good article on David Falk's role in the whole deal:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=aw-brandfalk070908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=aw-brandfalk070908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
brand to 76ers??
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rhythmless
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i never liked falk. always seemed to be so full of himself.
I don't remember the Boozer deal that way. I didn't remember that they had a team option on him. I thought it was just a two-year 2nd round draft pick deal, similar to Gilbert Arenas and the Warriors. But I'll have to look back at that and refresh my memory.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Brand may have told the Clippers privitely that he would resign, but I don't think he did it publicly. I think that would be in violation of league rules. I could be wrong, but I think it has to be a wink wink kind of thing.
Boozer's situation was a little different in that I beleive it was the teams option and he convinced them that if they didn't pick up the option he would resign a long term contract for more money. He then turned his back on them and signed with Utah. Thats different than a player opting out in order for the team to sign another player and then resigning for a prearranged amount. Thats minipulation of the cap and probably violates the spirit of intention. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me..
His Wikipedia page details it. Boozer, of course, claims he made no agreement to sign with the Cavs but I find that unlikely under the circumstances.
Yes, it was a team option. They were doing something VERY unusual in opting out in order to increase his pay a year earlier than they had to and then he bolted as soon as they did.
C Diddy
Starter
Yes, it was very unusual for a team to do that. They were showing good faith by giving him his extension (big $ raise) a year early. I thought it was a tremendous gesture. IIRC, ESPN even announced a verbal commitment between Boozer and the Cavs. Then Carlos bamboozered the Cavs and bolted for a little extra doh.
This thing with Brand is reminiscent of that, but not even close on the magnitude scale. Take Brand's player option and replace it with a team option, and replace Sterling with a gentle elderly blind man and then we can seriously compare the two.
DocHolliday
Starter
Wow...if you look on the sixers website...Not only does brand look like he's standing somewhat gingerly, kind of like an old man, he doesn't look happy at all. In fact quite the opposite.
DocHolliday
Starter
You know it's a shame. It sounds like Falk is more concerned with screwing people and his own ego than what was best for his client. I mean the money is good, but where would Brand have the best chance winning? With the 76ers, or the Clippers?
You could argue the 79ers have a young nucleus with potential and the east isn't as competitive as the west, but philly is a rough town to play in with the media and the fans.
venom_7
Starter
This proves it. You can't trust power forwards from Duke university. They back out of deals, abandon their fanbase, somehow end up with the best looking player in womens basketball. I wouldn't leave my socks with them, let alone expect them to keep a verbal agreement.
Cept Shelden really is a decent dude. Just drafted too early.
Cept Shelden really is a decent dude. Just drafted too early.
rhythmless
Starter
Listening to Elton Brand on the Dan Patrick show: he essentially said that he left the Clippers because, when his agent called to negotiate, the owner wouldn't take his call. He claims that he didn't take the best deal that was offered to him, and that he left LA because he felt disrespected by David Sterling.
Whether there's a shred of truth in any of that, I leave as an exercise to the reader. Personally, if it's a lie, it's exactly the sort of lie that I would believe, because Sterling is the one owner in the league that I could actually see doing that.
Whether there's a shred of truth in any of that, I leave as an exercise to the reader. Personally, if it's a lie, it's exactly the sort of lie that I would believe, because Sterling is the one owner in the league that I could actually see doing that.
venom_7
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wait... wait... what???
boozer, brand, williams all went to Duke.
C Diddy
Starter
I think Shane Battier and Christian Laettner might take offense to that. I can't think of any other Duke PFs but I'm sure there are others in the modern era that don't fit your stereotype.
rhythmless
Starter
oh, no, i got that. what i dont understand is that you used a sample size of 3 to define characteristics of a demographic, and then take one of those samples (1/3, sizable) and say a complete 180 of your conclusion.
i think you were going for a joke, but then why did you completely kill it with saying how decent williams is? it doenst make sense, hence my disgruntled face with question marks over it.
nbrans
All-Star
Don't forget another Duke PF who screwed the Clippers -- Danny Ferry refused to play for them when he was drafted and went to Europe instead. Well, I guess he TRIED to screw the Clippers. They ended up trading him for Ron Harper so they ended up getting the better end of the deal. But still.
If the clippers wanted him back bad enough, they would have signed him.
Warriors and clippers trade some players and dont really get any better.
The sixers get significantly better. I am glad.
I feel NO sympathy for these NBA teams as they would screw any player over if given the chance. The 20 million more he got from the sixers is not chump change.
Warriors and clippers trade some players and dont really get any better.
The sixers get significantly better. I am glad.
I feel NO sympathy for these NBA teams as they would screw any player over if given the chance. The 20 million more he got from the sixers is not chump change.
The only possible way for the Sixers to regret anything is if Brand gets hurt. He is a 20-10 guy. How the heck can you regret getting a model citizen, a guy that gets in there and bangs, a guy that can get his own shot inside... just get him the ball and get out of his way, an unselfish guy......
The Sixers landed the BEST free agent this season. yeah they paid big bucks, but there is no way to get a top FA and not pay for him.
As a lifelong sixers fan, I am pretty darn happy right now.
The Sixers landed the BEST free agent this season. yeah they paid big bucks, but there is no way to get a top FA and not pay for him.
As a lifelong sixers fan, I am pretty darn happy right now.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Brand is undersized, overrated and has never won anything, and is coming off a huge injury. That's how you end up regretting it.
I think he was clearly the best thing out there as far as a legitimate PF, and if the injury is ok in the early years they should be better for it. But as he starts approaching his mid-30s, and you are paying a 6'7" groundbound guy $17million dollars...there could easily come a day when the Sixers might be looking to escape this deal.
That's mostly legitimate criticism, but I think that playing the "undersized" card with Brand is a bit specious... Brand might, in fact, be "undersized," but he plays like he's 6'10". I'd rather have a shorter guy who plays big than a taller guy who plays small.
Telemachus
Starter
Brand was measured at 6'8.25 without shoes and 6'9.5 with shoes at the pre-draft camp when he entered the draft. He also had a wingspan of 7'5.5. I wouldn't call that undersized. He also just turned 29 in March.
bloom
Starter
Here’s a video of Coach D. talking about Brand
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband...d=2459788&brand=null&videoId=3482615&n8pe6c=2
Just because he was the best option this year, it doesn’t mean he was their best option. My feelings are different than most people and yours; his age and his injury just doesn’t sit well with me; he also hasn’t done anything that has “wowed” me. Who knows, I could be dead wrong about him and I hope I am. But that’s my feeling.
I’m happy that you got the player that you like, that’s great and I hope he meshes well with your team.
I agree…he’s not a winner, is hugely overrated, and he’s not that young. They’re paying an older player that much money – especially since he hasn’t proven that he’s 100% (maybe he has with those 8 games he played his year, but I didn’t watch him play).
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband...d=2459788&brand=null&videoId=3482615&n8pe6c=2
Just because he was the best option this year, it doesn’t mean he was their best option. My feelings are different than most people and yours; his age and his injury just doesn’t sit well with me; he also hasn’t done anything that has “wowed” me. Who knows, I could be dead wrong about him and I hope I am. But that’s my feeling.
I’m happy that you got the player that you like, that’s great and I hope he meshes well with your team.
I agree…he’s not a winner, is hugely overrated, and he’s not that young. They’re paying an older player that much money – especially since he hasn’t proven that he’s 100% (maybe he has with those 8 games he played his year, but I didn’t watch him play).
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Here's a link to Dunleavy's radio interview. I tend to believe Dunleavy's version, especially if he has written proof to back up his claims.
http://tinyurl.com/5vzdgv
http://tinyurl.com/5vzdgv
Plenty of bi PFs that suck. Barkely was 6'5" on his best day.
he hasnt won anything..... wahhhahhahhahahahhahah
Lets see, a guy named KG hadnt won jack prior to Boston getting him. Would you use those same thoughts in regards to KG never winning anything?
Barkely never won anything, Malone, Stockton, Webber, and on and on and on have never won "Anything." That, IMO is the dumbest argument that can ever be made in regards to a players worth.
Hell, Marino never won anything either.
He will be 34 when the deal EXPIRES. Id say 34 is when players start losing there game, so his age will not be a factor in this deal.
A guy that gets 20-10 from the PF position is a legit all star no matter how you look at it.
he hasnt won anything..... wahhhahhahhahahahhahah
Lets see, a guy named KG hadnt won jack prior to Boston getting him. Would you use those same thoughts in regards to KG never winning anything?
Barkely never won anything, Malone, Stockton, Webber, and on and on and on have never won "Anything." That, IMO is the dumbest argument that can ever be made in regards to a players worth.
Hell, Marino never won anything either.
He will be 34 when the deal EXPIRES. Id say 34 is when players start losing there game, so his age will not be a factor in this deal.
A guy that gets 20-10 from the PF position is a legit all star no matter how you look at it.
Kevin Garnett took his team to the playoffs practically every year in Minnesota, even winning an MVP along the way. Same with Sir Charles and Karl Malone, who both made it all the way to the Finals, and if not for the misfortune of having to play against the GOAT in his prime, would probably have rings themselves.
Dan Marino took his team to the Super Bowl.
You're comparing Elton Brand, who has been to the playoffs exactly once in nine seasons, to guys who led their teams into the playoffs year after year, went deep into the playoffs on more than one occasion, former MVPs, future Hall of Famers. You shouldn't.
The knock on Elton Brand is that, no matter where he's been or what his team has looked like, he hasn't made his team better, with the exception of 2006 when the Clippers went to the second round. Other than that, he's the traditional good player on a bad team. He's one playoff appearance better than Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
And the criticism on his size is legitimate. To his credit, he plays huge. He's a solid rebounder, good shotblocker, and he has heart. No denying any of that. But he's going to be playing guys like Dwight Howard, Jermaine O'Neal, Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett, and Rasheed Wallace every night, guys that are all bigger than he is. It's worth considering that he's an undersized player. He's held his own in the past against Tim Duncan and other bigger power forwards, but that's no reason to deny that he's at a disadvantage because of his height.
Hasn't he been doing that for the past nine years, though? Let's not forget that, before going to the east and having to play Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh (he's not going to have to play both Bosh and O'Neal, by the way), Kevin Garnett and Rasheed Wallace every night, he was in the west and had to play Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Chris Webber and Dirk Nowitzki every night. He seems to have done well enough for himself, IYAM.
Like I said before, there's plenty of criticism of Brand that is plenty legitimate. But being "small" is not one of them, in my opinion.
Elton Brand has had one hell of a career so far, no matter who he's playing against, which is why he's known as one of the toughest, hardest working players in the League. He's full of heart, no doubt about that.
(By the way, I think it's likely that he'll spend time facing up with both Bosh and O'Neal, on the same night, four times a year, which is even worse than seeing the other guys separately. No breaks when the Raptors are on the schedule.)
And he has held his own against these guys his entire career. But he's still smaller than most of those guys, and that's a disadvantage, no matter how hard you play, no matter how tough you are.
And you really don't get a break in the East as a big man anymore. Dwight Howard is one of the most physically imposing player in the whole NBA. JO and Bosh on the same team is going to be a power forward's nightmare. KG is in the East now. Rasheed is still worth mentioning. The West is still deeper overall, but the East is catching up on big men over the past couple seasons, and Brand is tilting it even more now. We'll have to see how some of the youngsters develop (Hibbert, Oden, Bynum, etc.).
I don't think Elton Brand is necessarily overmatched because of his size, and I'd take him any day of the week. He's definitely a top ten big man, but he's the shortest of the top ten. And I think that's worth noting.
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