Brady Heslip to Kings?

KingsFanGER said:
Nothing to lose by signing a guy to a 10 day contract.
Most likely he will be irrelevant. So why get mad about it?
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Once again, like in case of talks with Marc Jackson, the player himself is not a problem.
Even in DLeague (and even with "Grinell system") 6.8 3pt per game on 49.4% - is kind of impressive or at least interesting. I think this is the case when you can't be sure he doesn't have "NBA game" before it's really tested. 10 day contract doesn't present any risc so some team would certainly try it. Pure shooter sometime is usefull...
Problem here is once again FO. Yes - Kings are 22nd in 3pt %. But they are also 28th in assists per game and 27th in points allowed... So what kind of player FO seems to bring for trial - one who is not good defender and can't pass... but he is good 3pt shooter. Once again: let's try overscore opponent...
 
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When Boogie is speaking out about teammates stepping up the defense the boss brings in a 6'2" 180 pound guard from a run and chuck D League team:) Hell the Pistons just scored 114 against the Kings:confused:

From watching the videos on Heslip you can see he has some crafty dribble moves to free up for his J. We are going to get to see how his game translates.
 
King Baller said:
When Boogie is speaking out about teammates stepping up the defense the boss brings in a 6'2" 180 pound guard from a run and chuck D League team:) Hell the Pistons just scored 114 against the Kings:confused:

From watching the videos on Heslip you can see he has some crafty dribble moves to free up for his J. We are going to get to see how his game translates.
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Agreed...I'm convinced that the FO is semi tanking if this is their move cause the reports on the kid before Reno is that he would have trouble getting off his shot and had no other NBA level skill....defense is irrelevant with this FO.

A poor mans Jimmer and Jimmer struggles most nights...when he does play.
 
It's clear from PDA's answers yesterday that all the focus is on the arena and this season means absolutely nothing (whatever he might say) I think they'd rather have that draft pick than not.

Don't see a huge problem with giving heslip a 10 day but it's more flash before fit and offense orientated.
 
Just what Cuz and the Kings need, a 6-1 180 SG who only shoots 3‘s. And the NBA SG's who will play opposite him are licking their chops at the prospect since every team guards the perimeter and the Kings don't. And of course ignore the top player in the D-league recently, a 6-11 rim protector, rebounder who happens to play on Reno. Oh yeah, he doesn't shoot 3's. Who needs rim protection and rebounding anyway?
 
Damn some of you guys are acting as if he will be moved right into the starting lineup. I doubt if he even sees the floor much, although now that I think about it the way the Kings have been getting hammered lately there could be some garbage time to be had in the 4th quarter.

Not a big deal. Teams sign players to 10-day contracts all the time. Haslip is not going to play enough in the games when it matters to actually effect the defense.

Shot blocking power forwards to actually help Cousins don't grow on trees and they're not in the D-League either.

If the Kings do keep their draft pick this year, I think it's time to start thinking about drafting a PF that can turn into the starter of the future.
 
sdballer said:
Quite possibly the lamest justification for the shenanigans so far. There is nothing in the system they run in Reno that is going to uncover a diamond in the rough, because it's a joke of a system that has no relevancy in the nba.

There's outside the box thinking and then there's being "innovative" without a strategy, which is what our FO iis doing.
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What's the matter? You concerned that he might cost us some wins? The fact is that, right now, stirring up the roster in any way is probably a plus. Maybe this might make Stauskas feel like a veteran and start making threes yn rashes. This might ,in a small way , help take the players minds off the doldrums. For my part it is a can't lose move.
 
pshn80 said:
And what do you mean by that? So Stauskas, Hollins, Moeland have NBA games? Come on.
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This might be a trick question but I'll go for an answer anyway.

Heslip may be a good shooter but he is undersized, a horrible defender and has difficulty getting his shot off. That lack of nba game skills is why he went undrafted and why I don't think showcasing in the joke that is Reno is a good reason to call him up. We already have a young project 2 that was a lottery pick and that, despite his struggles, possesses physical abilities and nba skills that far surpass Brady's. Of all the holes this team has, this move is more about justifying the Reno project than it is in helping the team.
 
So wait. There's a rumor that we might sign a guy who possesses a skill we widely acknowledge we need to a no-risk ten-day contract and this is yet more evidence that our front office is stupid?

Seriously, I'd love it if we were rumored to be on the verge of trading Carl Landry, Derrick Williams, Ramon Sessions and a 2019 unprotected first round pick for LeBron James, not because we might be getting LeBron James, but just to watch the contortions here as people went out of their way to prove that the 2019 draft was going to be the best thing ever and LeBron was washed up. Sheesh.
 
sdballer said:
This might be a trick question but I'll go for an answer anyway.

Heslip may be a good shooter but he is undersized, a horrible defender and has difficulty getting his shot off. That lack of nba game skills is why he went undrafted and why I don't think showcasing in the joke that is Reno is a good reason to call him up. We already have a young project 2 that was a lottery pick and that, despite his struggles, possesses physical abilities and nba skills that far surpass Brady's. Of all the holes this team has, this move is more about justifying the Reno project than it is in helping the team.
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Thank you. This is a hellava lot better post than your previous hand full. NOW I can understand a part of your motivation. I think it's a move that can't hurt us and may generate some benefit and benefits are what we need.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
So wait. There's a rumor that we might sign a guy who possesses a skill we widely acknowledge we need to a no-risk ten-day contract and this is yet more evidence that our front office is stupid?
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I'm not going to rip the FO for this move, but it is a bad move and one that they shouldn't be making headlines about.

Most college teams have that "non-athletic pure shooter/can't do much of anything else" which the other team has to run around trying to guard and if left open in the corner will knock down the 3 at a high percentage.
I watched Heslip play a ton of basketball at Baylor (Not watching Baylor for Heslip but for their other prospects) and he's a great shooter and I thought he played his role quite well at Baylor.

Here is the issue.

Michigan had their own "non-athletic pure shooter/can't do anything else" player in Nik as a freshman.
He was pretty much Heslip, just playing for Michigan instead of Baylor.

Then between his freshman and sophomore years everything seemed to click for him. He got much stronger, improved his handle, passing, defense and went from 'pure shooter' to all-around basketball player, which is why he won Big 10 player of the year and went from a 'probably not drafted' to a top 10 pick.

We have our own pure shooter who comes into the games and barely gets touches that we spent a top 10 pick on, and he's the one that we need to be investing game time and resources into developing.

Bringing in Heslip is absolutely meaningless because he is far smaller and less athletic and nowhere near the basketball player Nik is, and Nik is the one who needs the time to get adjusted to the NBA pace so he can get back to the shooter which he is.

If the FO wants to bring in Heslip to play mind-games with Nik, to pump him up, and get him to be more aggressive shooting...it's a tactic that they can take. I don't agree with the tactic because I think that Nik is thinking too much and putting too much pressure on himself to make every shot that he takes, and this is only going to add to it.

And if the FO is thinking of bringing on Heslip to actually play in meaningful minutes in actual games, to me it means that Nik is probably being worked into a trade.
Which I'm not against trading Nik provided that we get something good out of it, but if Nik is in the actual long-term plans of this FO then bringing in Heslip to play meaningful minutes makes no sense...and if you're not going to play Heslip meaningful minutes, then what is the point of bringing in Heslip unless you're just trying to mess with Nik's head.
 
To motivate those guys playing for Reno, that there are chances to get called up to the NBA, when playing in the D-League? To bring in another shooter, when teams play zone defense or triple team DMC. To play him some minutes at PG, while using Rudy as a point forward, cause our backup PG's have difficulties running the offense of our bench unit and aren't providing anything useful on offense?
Or maybe just to mix it up a bit in training.
;)
 
Uncia03 said:
I'm not going to rip the FO for this move, but it is a bad move and one that they shouldn't be making headlines about.

Most college teams have that "non-athletic pure shooter/can't do much of anything else" which the other team has to run around trying to guard and if left open in the corner will knock down the 3 at a high percentage.
I watched Heslip play a ton of basketball at Baylor (Not watching Baylor for Heslip but for their other prospects) and he's a great shooter and I thought he played his role quite well at Baylor.

Here is the issue.

Michigan had their own "non-athletic pure shooter/can't do anything else" player in Nik as a freshman.
He was pretty much Heslip, just playing for Michigan instead of Baylor.

Then between his freshman and sophomore years everything seemed to click for him. He got much stronger, improved his handle, passing, defense and went from 'pure shooter' to all-around basketball player, which is why he won Big 10 player of the year and went from a 'probably not drafted' to a top 10 pick.

We have our own pure shooter who comes into the games and barely gets touches that we spent a top 10 pick on, and he's the one that we need to be investing game time and resources into developing.

Bringing in Heslip is absolutely meaningless because he is far smaller and less athletic and nowhere near the basketball player Nik is, and Nik is the one who needs the time to get adjusted to the NBA pace so he can get back to the shooter which he is.

If the FO wants to bring in Heslip to play mind-games with Nik, to pump him up, and get him to be more aggressive shooting...it's a tactic that they can take. I don't agree with the tactic because I think that Nik is thinking too much and putting too much pressure on himself to make every shot that he takes, and this is only going to add to it.

And if the FO is thinking of bringing on Heslip to actually play in meaningful minutes in actual games, to me it means that Nik is probably being worked into a trade.
Which I'm not against trading Nik provided that we get something good out of it, but if Nik is in the actual long-term plans of this FO then bringing in Heslip to play meaningful minutes makes no sense...and if you're not going to play Heslip meaningful minutes, then what is the point of bringing in Heslip unless you're just trying to mess with Nik's head.
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What headlines? This is a 10 day contract and as others have pointed out, this signing won't get any headlines AND this signing doesn't seem to me to deserve the relentless rebuke it is getting on here. Give the guy a chance, as everyone says, he'll be gone in less than two weeks.
 
Uncia03 said:
I'm not going to rip the FO for this move, but it is a bad move and one that they shouldn't be making headlines about.
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But this is not a "headline" move - if it even happens. What we've got is one rumor tweeted out of Canada - a bizarre rumor at that because it calls us "frontrunners" in a race clearly nobody is running.

Bringing in Heslip is absolutely meaningless because he is far smaller and less athletic and nowhere near the basketball player Nik is, and Nik is the one who needs the time to get adjusted to the NBA pace so he can get back to the shooter which he is.

If the FO wants to bring in Heslip to play mind-games with Nik, to pump him up, and get him to be more aggressive shooting...it's a tactic that they can take. I don't agree with the tactic because I think that Nik is thinking too much and putting too much pressure on himself to make every shot that he takes, and this is only going to add to it.

And if the FO is thinking of bringing on Heslip to actually play in meaningful minutes in actual games, to me it means that Nik is probably being worked into a trade.
Which I'm not against trading Nik provided that we get something good out of it, but if Nik is in the actual long-term plans of this FO then bringing in Heslip to play meaningful minutes makes no sense...and if you're not going to play Heslip meaningful minutes, then what is the point of bringing in Heslip unless you're just trying to mess with Nik's head.
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We've brought in guys on ten-day contracts and not played them meaningful minutes before. In fact, from my recollection most of our ten-day contracts haven't played meaningful minutes.

The rub is this: Nik needs work, Kings fans want to win. I'd argue that Kings fans want to win more than they want to see Nik get seasoning time. Giving Heslip a try with some backup SG minutes would be a minimal cost, minimal risk attempt to improve our shooting. If he can't hang with the big boys, hey, that's cool. Corbin likely realizes this in practice and he never sees game minutes. Or he gets five game minutes and they don't work and he gets sent back to Reno in ten days. If it does work (that is, if right now Heslip can make a bigger contribution to the bench than Nik) then hey, it worked!

Nik is here (or at least in the NBA) for the long haul. He has to put it together but he's far too talented to just wash out. And I'm pretty sure he knows it. I'm not too worried about something like this putting pressure on him. I figure he's in for the same sort of transition that McLemore had. Rough rookie year all told, big jump in year two after a fruitful summer.
 
pshn80 said:
What headlines? This is a 10 day contract and as others have pointed out, this signing won't get any headlines AND this signing doesn't seem to me to deserve the relentless rebuke it is getting on here. Give the guy a chance, as everyone says, he'll be gone in less than two weeks.
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Headlines...as in...what we are talking about right now.

Anyway, it appears that you stopped reading my post right after the first sentence...unless you want to explain what sort of upside you get by bringing in a guy who will be "gone in less than two weeks" as opposed to what you might be doing to Nik.

Look, right now the entire locker room is a disaster, and what it needs is time to get re-stabilized.
Do you really think that now, right now, is the best time to bring in someone like Heslip for a 10-day contract?

Is he going to provide some sort of veteran stability in the locker room?

If by your own account he will be here for two weeks and then gone, then why would you do it when everything is in disarray.

It would be completely different if:
A.) Nik was playing great and we were looking to maybe add some more shooting.
B.) The locker room was stable, we were winning games, and we were trying to see if we could add a small piece to help give us more success.

But...Nik is trying to adjust to the NBA and this isn't going to help him.
And the entire team is spiraling out of control...so the last thing the FO should be thinking about is bringing in a guy on a 10-day, especially a guy like Heslip.

If you want to do it, then at least do it when it makes sense.
 
Question for those who have watched Heslip. Does he possess any PG skills? How is his ball handling, court vision, decision making, etc. ?

Any potential he could be used as a back up PG? Again, i've never watched him, so any insight is appreciated. I know he's small, and i know he can shoot lights out, but what else is there to know?
 
NBA guards make it a point to attack Nik when he is on the floor, I can only imagine what they will be thinking when they see Heslip across from them.
 
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Uncia03 said:
Headlines...as in...what we are talking about right now.

Anyway, it appears that you stopped reading my post right after the first sentence...unless you want to explain what sort of upside you get by bringing in a guy who will be "gone in less than two weeks" as opposed to what you might be doing to Nik.

Look, right now the entire locker room is a disaster, and what it needs is time to get re-stabilized.
Do you really think that now, right now, is the best time to bring in someone like Heslip for a 10-day contract?

Is he going to provide some sort of veteran stability in the locker room?

If by your own account he will be here for two weeks and then gone, then why would you do it when everything is in disarray.

It would be completely different if:
A.) Nik was playing great and we were looking to maybe add some more shooting.
B.) The locker room was stable, we were winning games, and we were trying to see if we could add a small piece to help give us more success.

But...Nik is trying to adjust to the NBA and this isn't going to help him.
And the entire team is spiraling out of control...so the last thing the FO should be thinking about is bringing in a guy on a 10-day, especially a guy like Heslip.

If you want to do it, then at least do it when it makes sense.
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I need to stir the locker room up, to stir Stauskas up,to do something shake the mental attitude of the bunch, not stability. To me right now stability is locking in the poor play and all its causes. Is this an important move? Not at all. But I don't think it is stupid or worth rebuke.
 
He's going to be confused when he arrives to find out that a) guys are guarding him; and b) he's expected to actually guard guys.

Well...actually I'm not sure b) is much of a problem anymore so...


This whole reign of stupidity etc. even more stupid. or at least wildly insecure, when you remember how violently they tried to expel every last ounce of the last team/regime. That's fine. But then when a year later you're out here trying to reconstruct the same pieces from coachess to personnel, but now they are YOUR personnel...well, it tells me the original moves may have been made because of thoughtless dogma* not because you truly had a new vision. You want Jimmer...why not just keep Jimmer.


*(note my first draft said because you were a myopic chickencrap)
 
chasen4r1 said:
Question for those who have watched Heslip. Does he possess any PG skills? How is his ball handling, court vision, decision making, etc. ?

Any potential he could be used as a back up PG? Again, i've never watched him, so any insight is appreciated. I know he's small, and i know he can shoot lights out, but what else is there to know?
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Unfortunately Heslip isn't anything close to being a PG.
He doesn't have the build or athleticism to handle the NBA and he doesn't have the ball-handling/court-vision to work as a PG.
Jimmer had far better ball-handling/court-vision while also having better athleticism, strength, and height.

Heslip is smart and he can shoot, but really saying that he's a poor-man's Jimmer is quite accurate.

The idea of bringing in Heslip (who I liked at Baylor) right now...makes no sense. We would have been far, far, far better off not waving Wayne Ellington if what we were just looking for was a pure shooter.
 
In another world, with another team and way different GM I would say give the kid a chance. This time I just feel sick. SMH
 
You're telling me Stauskas wouldn't be burying 11 plus threes per game in that Reno system right now if given the chance? That system in Reno is designed to break three point records. I don't think we've discovered the next great shooter here, just a player on a hot streak who's got free reign to let er fly. But it's not that big of a deal. Bringing up a D-Leaguer and giving him a shot is never a bad thing. See how quickly he picks up the offense and how he interacts with the players and coaches and maybe you've got something you can develop further. I'm always in favor of trying new players. It's a little confusing considering we already have a shooting specialist on the bench struggling, but shooting is often about rhythm. Maybe Nik should be sent down and allowed to run up and down the court and fire away every game until he gets himself into a rhythm too.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
The rub is this: Nik needs work, Kings fans want to win. I'd argue that Kings fans want to win more than they want to see Nik get seasoning time. Giving Heslip a try with some backup SG minutes would be a minimal cost, minimal risk attempt to improve our shooting. If he can't hang with the big boys, hey, that's cool. Corbin likely realizes this in practice and he never sees game minutes. Or he gets five game minutes and they don't work and he gets sent back to Reno in ten days. If it does work (that is, if right now Heslip can make a bigger contribution to the bench than Nik) then hey, it worked!
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First of all, you're absolutely correct that Kings fans would rather see wins than to see Nik develop...and I count myself among those who want to see the wins.

Next, this thread was started with the idea of 'Here we ago again, the FO is bungling things up again.'

Now I understand that you're not as down on the FO as most others (which actually doesn't make much sense to me considering what I thought I gathered from you in a different thread...but that is sort of irrelevant to this topic) and so you're coming in and trying to balance out the narrative and bring some calm to the discussions so that people won't go over-board.

As I mentioned, (the very first thing I said) I'm not going to rip the FO for this move.
But just because I'm not going to rip them doesn't mean that it's a good move.
And for a variety of reasons which I have outlined, I don't think it's a good move, mostly due to the timing.

If the Kings were winning and Nik was playing well, then sure I could see bringing in Heslip on a 10-day to see if he could add some extra scoring punch.
But for a team spiraling out of control...PDA needs to be thinking about making moves which might actually have a chance of stopping the bleeding.

Since I don't seem to be getting my point across in saying that it is not a great move right now, to bring Heslip on a 10-day, let's look a bit more closely at both the timing and the details of how it would play out as things currently stand.

1.) The team is in chaos right now.
2.) We are seeing the players revert back to selfish basketball and they are starting to look like players who are only out to play for themselves rather than play for the team.
3.) We have a top 10 pick who was reported (and arguably is) the best shooter in the draft.
4.) But due to the NBA being a whole other animal he is struggling to adjust to the speed and physicality of the players.

5.) In the last 10 games, the most minutes Stauskas has played has been 23 (when Ben got into early foul trouble) and the least minutes have been a paltry 5 minutes.
6.) In those 10 games he is averaging 13.3 minutes a game and here is the important thing...he is only averaging 3.3 shots a game.
So he is a designated shooter who spends most of his 13.3 minutes a game in the corner hoping to get the kick-out...and he's only getting 3.3 shots a game.

So...again, what does bringing in Heslip accomplish?

Say you play him 5 minutes a game for a couple of games.
If he gets shots at the same rate as Stauskas, he will be due for about a single shot a game.(Maybe 2)
Even if he makes all of his shots (1-2 a game) for 3 games, what does that accomplish?
Do you sign him to a contract? (extremely doubtful)
Are we winning those games because of those made shots? (doutful)

And if we are not signing him to a contract and we are not winning games, then what is the point, other than to reduce Stauskas' minutes from 13 a game down to 8?

I don't know why people feel the need to defend the FO on a small move that has pretty much zero upside and has multiple down-sides.

If we do bring him in, my guess is that if he does get onto the floor, it's very possible he won't get the ball to even have a chance to get his shot up.
The only way he gets significant minutes (7+) is if we are involved in a blow-out.

The FO destroyed this team and they have to make some big moves to get this ship above water.
While not a disastrous move by any means, bringing in Heslip right now, with what is going on, is actually pretty unfair to Heslip, because there is no way he's going on the court with the other Kings and getting any sort of fair shake to display his shooting.
And in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the players actively avoided getting him the ball.
They are obviously not happy with what is going on, and I can't see any way that they would go out of their way on the court to get the ball to someone like Heslip when they are having problems getting the ball to Ben and Nik.
 
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