Brad Miller Trade Options

[nbrans]

Now that we have a young frontcourt that needs some minutes and experience, ideally now is the offseason to trade Brad Miller. He's coming off of a good season, his trade value is probably decent, and it's time to get some value back. He will also have some value as an expiring before the 2010 trade deadline, but that would only be to teams looking to get under the cap at 2010 -- and since WE'RE trying to get under the cap for the 2010 offseason it's hard to imagine that we're going to get a better deal trading Brad for a longer contract than we would going into free agency with cap space.

So long story short, if we're going to move him, this is the offseason to do it.

What kind of teams need Brad? Teams looking to win now, and who need a center. There aren't actually that many.

Atlanta
Could we actually make another deal with Atlanta? First they're going to need to resolve their free agency situation since they have Josh Smith and Childress as free agents. But while Brad isn't exactly a running center, he would be a definite upgrade over Zaza Pachulia and could help them

The ironic deal would be Brad for Bibby since Bibby's now an expiring contract and didn't look so hot for them, but for many reasons that's probably not happening.

Possible deal: Brad for Zaza (expiring), Claxton (expires 2010) and a pick

Chicago
Brad back to Chicacgo where he started his career? They have a big hole at C since Aaron Gray (who is actually ok) isn't really starting caliber and Noah is more of a PF.

A seemingly logical target would be Hinrich since Rose is coming in and he had a disastrous year. I am crossing my fingers that this doesn't happen because 1) he had a disastrous year and 2) he's overpaid and signed through 2012, although they front-loaded his deal so it gets more reasonable as time goes on.

Possible deals:
Brad and Salmons for Larry Hughes (expires 2010), Tyrus Thomas, kid or pick
Brad for Larry Hughes and a 1st Round pick
My personal favorite (and unrealistic): Brad and Artest back to Chicago for a S&T Luol Deng and someone else to make salaries work

Denver
The Nuggets wouldn't seemingly be a great fit, but I actually think Brad could be pretty good in the Nuggets' system distributing and pulling out the defense for Iverson and Carmelo. They could play Camby at PF, and Brad and Camby could complement each other pretty well.

Possible deal:
Brad for Nene and Atkins -- this would be a very risky deal given that Nene's deal runs until 2012, but if he returns to last season's playoff form it could be a good deal. Nene's still only 25.

Detroit
The Pistons don't really have a true center on their roster and they're looking to shake things up. I somehow doubt that Brad is what they have in mind since it seems like they're trying to get younger, but at the end of the offseason if they haven't been able to pull off a shakeup they might consider Brad as a last ditch addition.

Possible deal: Brad for McDyess and Amir Johnson (doubtful they'd want to part with Johnson, but that seems to be the only realistic trade possibility barring another deal)

Indiana
The Pacers are actually one of the more likely possibilities since they now don't really have a center after the O'Neal trade, and it would aid Larry Bird's attempts to build the whitest team in the NBA.

Possible deal: Brad and Salmons for Daniels and Rasho (both expiring)

Miami
I have no idea what the Heat are trying to do at the moment, and I'm not sure they know either. But they don't have a center. It's also really hard to create a deal that makes sense.

Possible deal: Brad for Haslem, S&T Dorrell Wright and pick

Orlando
From a basketball standpoint the Magic might make more sense than anyone. Howard and Brad could work very well together. But putting a deal together that makes sense isn't very easy.

Possible deal: Brad for Battie, Redick and S&T Arroyo

Washington
Last but not least, really not sure what the Wizards are going to do this offseason with Arenas and Jamison both up for free agency. But if they re-sign both, Brad would be quite an upgrade over Haywood.

Possible deal: Brad for Haywood, Daniels and kid/pick

 

[Bricklayer]

Possible deal:
Brad for Nene and Atkins -- this would be a very risky deal given that Nene's deal runs until 2012, but if he returns to last season's playoff form it could be a good deal. Nene's still only 25.

I had actually just pondered making that suggestion in another thread this morning -- Brad for Nene. What scared me off of course was the length of the contract -- do that and there IS no great cap room in 2010. But on the other hand having Hawes/Thompson as your starters, with Nene as the maing big off the bench looks damn solid to me -- a fullsize (actually big) young frontline, all of whom can play in the post...

 

[nbrans]

I had actually just pondered making that suggestion in another thread this morning -- Brad for Nene. What scared me off of course was the length of the contract -- do that and there IS no great cap room in 2010. But on the other hand having Hawes/Thompson as your starters, with Nene as the maing big off the bench looks damn solid to me -- a fullsize (actually big) young frontline, all of whom can play in the post...

If Petrie were smart about it I think he could still manage the cap to have significant room in 2010, but he'd have to stop signing people to the MLE.

The payroll in 2010 would be approximately:

Martin - $11 million
Nene - $11 million
Beno (theoretically) - $6 million
Garcia (theoretically) - $6 million
Salmons - $5.8 million
Hawes - $2 million
Thompson - $2 million
2009 draft pick - $2 million

That's still $46 million and the cap will probably be around $60 million. Still room for a max or near max player. Trade Salmons for Marquis Daniels this offseason and it's more like $20 million in cap room.

But that assumes Geoff holds off from new expenditures, doesn't use the MLE next offseason, and lets Artest walk. Not sure that's a safe bet at this point.

 

[SacKings7]

I like any deal that involves expirings or young players/picks. I really like the Deng deal with Chicago, but that's highly unlikely. Btw, Brad started his career with the then Charlotte Hornets, not the Bulls

 

[TheRaven]

I agree, now is the time to trade Miller. Miller's value was at an all-time low last offseason, but has rebuilt it after a solid season.

Sometimes waiting until the trade deadline can work out if you find some team that is desperate for one more piece. It is also risky since while Miller could play really way and boost his value further, there is also a chance of him dropping his value by playing poorly or ending up with a bad injury.

One more team to add to that list would be Memphis with their glut of guards and weakness in the frontcourt, though I am not sure they want to take on older players.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I think the Detroit deal may have more legs than you think, with Maxiell substituted for Johnson, however. Some Pistons fans, on realgm at least, seemed open to it. Not sure what I'd want to do with McDyess, though.

Also interesting you left off the Bobcats. They may be ready to win now with J-Rich not getting any younger, and they've got Nazr's deal I'm assuming they'd like to ditch. Of course we'd want Felton, and would have to taking the mindset that he's still worth taking a look at.

 

[AriesMar27]

brad for hinrich.... or brad/moore/williams/ for hinrich/gooden

if we traded both brad and moore we would obviously need a back up center... hopefully geoff wont sign one for ful mle for 2+ years like he did with moore... if no one offers kwame a contract 1 yr vet min would be cool

hinrich/douby
martin/garcia
artest/salmons
gooden/thompson
hawes/kwame

kwame is garbage but he would be cheap garbage as oposed to moores expensive long term garbage....

 

[nbrans]

I think the Detroit deal may have more legs than you think, with Maxiell substituted for Johnson, however. Some Pistons fans, on realgm at least, seemed open to it. Not sure what I'd want to do with McDyess, though.

Also interesting you left off the Bobcats. They may be ready to win now with J-Rich not getting any younger, and they've got Nazr's deal I'm assuming they'd like to ditch. Of course we'd want Felton, and would have to taking the mindset that he's still worth taking a look at.

I thought about the Bobcats, but there's really no way to construct a deal that works. Nazr's deal runs through 2011 and would interfere with the 2010 offseason, and I don't think they have anyone they'd be willing to trade who would make up for that inconvenience.

EDIT: Actually Felton, Harrington and Dudley would work salary wise, but I can't really see the Bobcats giving up too many young pieces for Brad.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

How about Miller/K9 for Hinrich/Hughes? The main idea, I think, is to open some room for Hawes at Center and nab a PG to temporarily run the position (at least until the PG stacked 09 lottery).

Next trade would be Salmons for Cook/1st from Orlando. They could really use him, and Cook expires in 2010.

Finally, an Artest trade (hopefully attached to SAR) for something nice, maybe a mid 09 first rounder.

 

[AriesMar27]

yeah the bobcats arent good trade partners unless we're getting wallace and felton.. but thats not happening.... i dont think anyone would want morrison, he might be good one day or he might suck... unless the bobcats think that moore would be a good fit... then we could trade moore for felton...

 

[nbrans]

I really just don't want Hinrich, even though I have this sneaking suspicion that we're going to end up with him He's 27 already. His deal runs through 2012, which impacts the 2010 offseason. He might bounce back from his terrible year, but even when he was good he wasn't THAT good. I'd take Beno at $6 million over Hinrich at $10 million any day.

 

[AriesMar27]

How about Miller/K9 for Hinrich/Hughes? The main idea, I think, is to open some room for Hawes at Center and nab a PG to temporarily run the position (at least until the PG stacked 09 lottery).

Next trade would be Salmons for Cook/1st from Orlando. They could really use him, and Cook expires in 2010.

Finally, an Artest trade (hopefully attached to SAR) for something nice, maybe a mid 09 first rounder.

what would we do with hughes? martin isnt big enough to play sf and we have artest and salmons...

 

[Entity]

I like the Indiana deal as I am sure Brad would also. It gets us expirings now. What about Memphis? they have plenty of pg's and are slacking in the big department. Once Kwame is off their books they will be under the cap. So can they take a big contract like Brads for a small one like lowry or Crittinton if they are under the cap enough to make the salaries match?

 

[SacKings7]

Looking over the deals once again, I really like the deal with Orlando. Battie expires in 2010, we get a young shooter in Redick, and a temporary solution at PG with Arroyo. I actually think Orlando does this deal as well

 

[ovrush]

i still think miller fits as a 4 in houston since they need a third scoring option, he can fill in for an oft injured Yao, and he knows RA's system. Houston also has two expiring contracts who are point guards who could fill in for a year that would work well.

Brad Miller for Bobby Jackson/Steve Francis/Donte Green

If Green develops as a 3 you suddenly have a frontline where the smallest guy is 6'10". If we think this isnt enough, we could ask for them to throw in the PG from Oregon we liked last year (cant remember his name offhand)

 

[bajaden]

An option with Memphis might be Brad for Antione Walker, who has a team option for 2009/2010, and Javaiis Crittenton, who also has a team option for 2009/2010 season. Let Walker walk after this season, and make a decision on Crittenton on whether to renew or not.

 

[artest93fan]

i still think miller fits as a 4 in houston since they need a third scoring option, he can fill in for an oft injured Yao, and he knows RA's system. Houston also has two expiring contracts who are point guards who could fill in for a year that would work well.

Brad Miller for Bobby Jackson/Steve Francis/Donte Green

If Green develops as a 3 you suddenly have a frontline where the smallest guy is 6'10". If we think this isnt enough, we could ask for them to throw in the PG from Oregon we liked last year (cant remember his name offhand)

your thinking of Aaron Brooks

 

[FakeInjury]

Why get rid of him. Hes coming off the books in a year or 2. and hes 5 asts gaurenteed every night.

 

[Bricklayer]

i still think miller fits as a 4 in houston since they need a third scoring option, he can fill in for an oft injured Yao, and he knows RA's system. Houston also has two expiring contracts who are point guards who could fill in for a year that would work well.

Brad Miller for Bobby Jackson/Steve Francis/Donte Green

If Green develops as a 3 you suddenly have a frontline where the smallest guy is 6'10". If we think this isnt enough, we could ask for them to throw in the PG from Oregon we liked last year (cant remember his name offhand)

They wouldn't give up Jackson, Francis AND Brooks. That's all their PGs, and they supposedly really like Brooks.

Othwerwise, yeah, something along those lines. Enders and picks or kids. time to load on up.

 

[Bricklayer]

Why get rid of him. Hes coming off the books in a year or 2. and hes 5 asts gaurenteed every night.

Yeah! Only a few more years at $12mil per!

We have kids ont eh frontline who need minutes now. And they are far FAR cheaper than Brad. 31/32yr old centers have no place on a rebuilding team. I'm not sure how much Brad really cares about winning vs. comfort, but be doing him a favor if we swap him off to a playoff team.

 

[AriesMar27]

They wouldn't give up Jackson, Francis AND Brooks. That's all their PGs, and they supposedly really like Brooks.

Othwerwise, yeah, something along those lines. Enders and picks or kids. time to load on up.

dont they still have alston for 2 yrs? they could keep brooks and send head... it doesnt make us very good but it would get rid of brad... it would probably put houston over the top and make them sure fire contenders too... they would match up with the lakers better than any team in the west...

 

[usballer33]

I agree with bajaden. brad for walker and crittenton. use walker for a season (or half a season and trade later) and then let him walk. the reason for this trade is crittenton. a 6'5 pg with skill who i think will be a good player.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Would love Crittenton, the kid is awesome, but I sincerely doubt it.

 

[upinsmoke]

Would love Crittenton, the kid is awesome, but I sincerely doubt it.

I would only trade miller for expiring contracts and picks unless a long shot young impact player can be brought in.

 

[Entity]

How about Brad Miller to Philly for Andre Miller.

Philly could use Millers talent in the frontcourt and we could use Andre for the year until Sean gets ready or we seek greener pastures when his contract expires at the end of the season. Philly has Williams up and coming as their pg. The contracts work out fine not sure if Philly wants a vet though but their kids haven't done anything so why not. We can give them Douby as well for a 2nd round pick later.

They owe us for the Chris Webber trade.

 

[upinsmoke]

They owe us for the Chris Webber trade.

 

[BMiller52]

How about Brad Miller to Philly for Andre Miller.

Philly could use Millers talent in the frontcourt and we could use Andre for the year until Sean gets ready or we seek greener pastures when his contract expires at the end of the season. Philly has Williams up and coming as their pg. The contracts work out fine not sure if Philly wants a vet though but their kids haven't done anything so why not. We can give them Douby as well for a 2nd round pick later.

They owe us for the Chris Webber trade.

I rather just sign Williams ourselves with the MLE. He is a good young PG with a ton of potential still.

 

[Entity]

They aren't letting williams go.

 

[BMiller52]

They will if we offer them enough. They have to worry about re-signing Iguodala as well, and they want to sign Josh Smith. They don't have THAT much cap room to the point they'll give Iggy the 10-12 mill to keep him around, give Smith the 11-14 mill he'll want, and then match a 5-6 mill 3 yr MLE deal for Lou Williams.

 

[hearns]

I think Seattle is another team that could use Brad.

What about Brad for Donyell Marshall (expiring) + one of Ridnour/Watson?

They have right now 3 PGs, and it could be a short term solution for the Kings.