Boogie Extension?

[AusKing]

Would it even be conceivable for Cuz to consider an extension this year? Found this write-up in case it hasn't been posted before: https://capstrategist.com/capcba/cba-info/contractsfree-agency/renegotiation-and-extension-value/

Relevant Cousins bit:

Cousins signed a four-year extension on September 30, 2013, making him eligible to for a renegotiation and extension on September 30th of 2016. Sacramento could conceivably renegotiate Cousins’ contract at that point (it can be done up to March 1, 2017), but the timing isn’t ideal as it occurs significantly after the heart of free agency.

That being said, the difference between Cousins’ $16,957,900 2016 salary and the estimated max of his years of service tier of $20,915,000 is negligible, rendering it smart for the Kings to carve out and maintain that additional space for a Cousins renegotiation then. Doing so would only tack on 2 additional years to Cousins’ deal and keep him on the Kings through 2019-20 and the age of 29, but that’s two additional years of securing a top 10 player in the league to build around.

Cousins has definite financial motivation not to accept a renegotiation and extension in ’16 however (amongst other non-financial reasons as well). After the ’16-17 seasons Cousins will accrue 7 years service, allowing him to jump max salary tiers from slightly less than 25% of the cap to slightly less than 30%. Considering the cap is also projected to jump from $89M to $108M in ‘17/’18 Cousins’ max would skyrocket to an estimated $30,456,000 starting point, making it a more appealing avenue.

Still, the Kings have a high incentive to at least propose the scenario to Cousins in ’16 and certainly again in ’17 to keep their franchise player off the market. It’s not impossible that Cousins accepts that pay increase and the security of short-term max money while maintaining flexibility to land one more albatross contract when he’s 29.

 

[The_Jamal]

No, he'll wait to do the Russell Westbrook deal (if he extends with us) to get a massive pay-hike with 10 years of service time.

 

[206Fan]

No, it doesn't make sense from a financial stand point at all.

He'd also want to stay here first... it just doesn't make sense.

There's a high chance that Cuz leaves for FA in 2 years. No good reason why he should extend his contract with us this year.... we've put dysfunctional around him. We'd need the next 2 years to show we're worthy of him.

 

[kingsboi]

no way and no reason for Boogie to sign an extension right now, even if eligible...Kings need to prove their worthy, otherwise for the sake of watching him play winning basketball, he needs to go elsewhere.

 

[King Baller]

No, it doesn't make sense from a financial stand point at all.

He'd also want to stay here first... it just doesn't make sense.

There's a high chance that Cuz leaves for FA in 2 years. No good reason why he should extend his contract with us this year.... we've put dysfunctional around him. We'd need the next 2 years to show we're worthy of him.

Who is "We"?

 

[Blob]

No, it doesn't make sense from a financial stand point at all.

He'd also want to stay here first... it just doesn't make sense.

There's a high chance that Cuz leaves for FA in 2 years. No good reason why he should extend his contract with us this year.... we've put dysfunctional around him. We'd need the next 2 years to show we're worthy of him.

Look, we have put dysfunction around Boogie, undoubtedly, so he must feel right at home, because Boogie has contributed mightily to the dysfunction, as a terrible leader, terrible temper and an oversized ego and alienating personality.

Not to mention a low efficiency player with a turnover rate and foul rate that ranks worst in the NBA.

I am getting tired of narrative if only we surrounded him with a better supporting cast we would be a perennial playoff team when the dysfunction runs BOTH ways. This organization has been a mess, and Boogie has been a mess as a #1 guy.

Unreliable, unstable with wild and extreme variance in performance from one game to the next that has been a big reason why this team wins under 30 games a year.

It would be nice to think if only the players and coaches and front office were of higher caliber around him, the last 6 years would have been different. And there's of course truth to this perspective.

But I still have a feeling that a player with Boogie's immaturity and inefficiency, he would have found a way to self-implode. In other words, Boogie has pretty much known chaos. He has sort of embraced this me against the world attitude going back to when he felt he got the unfair label of a malcontent in high school.

I would argue as an armchair psychologist he is comfortable with this persona and he will do what he needs to do (consciously or subconsciously) to recreate this drama, including going ballistic on the sidelines against a feeble old coach and cancer survivor with no voice.

That said, I am optimistic as he enters the latter half of his 20s, he will calm done emotionally, bond with his new coach, be able to sustain more consistent defensive effort over 40 minutes with new level of conditioning, raise his scoring efficiency over 55% TS, and avoid the cheap fouls that take him out of games.

But make no mistake, none of what I am wishing and I am hoping (as is every Kings fan) has EVER been sustained over a prolonged period of time (say more than 25 games), and the next time Boogie leads this team to a playoff run after the all-star, NOT lead the team to the playoffs, I am saying within striking distance by the latter half of the season, will be the FIRST time.

I am waiting to be dazzled by his brilliance.

 

[biltalent]

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I would argue as an armchair psychologist he is comfortable with this persona and he will do what he needs to do (consciously or subconsciously) to recreate this drama, including going ballistic on the sidelines against a feeble old coach and cancer survivor with no voice.

And I would argue as an professional psychologist that this is BS.
I usually respect your opinion but making such diagnoses without any base is dangerous and irresponsible, not to mention highly manipulative.

 

[VF21]

To respond to the original question (and obviously avoid the usual pitfall any time someone tries to have a discussion about Boogie), it makes no sense at all for him to sign an extension at this point in time. Further, remember who his agent is. It's not gonna happen, folks.

 

[bajaden]

And I would argue as an professional psychologist that this is BS.
I usually respect your opinion but making such diagnoses without any base is dangerous and irresponsible, not to mention highly manipulative.

If you are indeed a psychologist, I don't know how you stay on this forum and keep your sanity. By the way, what do you charge, I think I need some help....

 

[Bricklayer]

Every reason for us to ask. No reason for Cousins to accept. So its just kind of a moot point.

 

[dude12]

Look, we have put dysfunction around Boogie, undoubtedly, so he must feel right at home, because Boogie has contributed mightily to the dysfunction, as a terrible leader, terrible temper and an oversized ego and alienating personality.

Not to mention a low efficiency player with a turnover rate and foul rate that ranks worst in the NBA.

I am getting tired of narrative if only we surrounded him with a better supporting cast we would be a perennial playoff team when the dysfunction runs BOTH ways. This organization has been a mess, and Boogie has been a mess as a #1 guy.

Unreliable, unstable with wild and extreme variance in performance from one game to the next that has been a big reason why this team wins under 30 games a year.

It would be nice to think if only the players and coaches and front office were of higher caliber around him, the last 6 years would have been different. And there's of course truth to this perspective.

But I still have a feeling that a player with Boogie's immaturity and inefficiency, he would have found a way to self-implode. In other words, Boogie has pretty much known chaos. He has sort of embraced this me against the world attitude going back to when he felt he got the unfair label of a malcontent in high school.

I would argue as an armchair psychologist he is comfortable with this persona and he will do what he needs to do (consciously or subconsciously) to recreate this drama, including going ballistic on the sidelines against a feeble old coach and cancer survivor with no voice.

That said, I am optimistic as he enters the latter half of his 20s, he will calm done emotionally, bond with his new coach, be able to sustain more consistent defensive effort over 40 minutes with new level of conditioning, raise his scoring efficiency over 55% TS, and avoid the cheap fouls that take him out of games.

But make no mistake, none of what I am wishing and I am hoping (as is every Kings fan) has EVER been sustained over a prolonged period of time (say more than 25 games), and the next time Boogie leads this team to a playoff run after the all-star, NOT lead the team to the playoffs, I am saying within striking distance by the latter half of the season, will be the FIRST time.

I am waiting to be dazzled by his brilliance.

The absurdity continues.

 

[biltalent]

If you are indeed a psychologist, I don't know how you stay on this forum and keep your sanity. By the way, what do you charge, I think I need some help....

Well, I'm not that kind of a psychologist as I specialize in another field. And I usually try to seperate that from be privately being a kingsfan, so don't worry. But if I can help you to find a true clinical psychologist close to you, you can just message me if you want to.

 

[King Baller]

If you are indeed a psychologist, I don't know how you stay on this forum and keep your sanity. By the way, what do you charge, I think I need some help....

Baja the only thing you need is for TDOS to be over You need to hear a ball bouncing on the hardwood and the sound of the net being popped by a perfect jump shot. You just need to watch a good ball game and drink a couple of cervezas.

 

[VF21]

Baja the only thing you need is for TDOS to be over You need to hear a ball bouncing on the hardwood and the sound of the net being popped by a perfect jump shot. You just need to watch a good ball game and drink a couple of cervezas.

Doctor KB ... I believe you've just prescribed the perfect prescription to cure all our ills.

 

[Blob]

And I would argue as an professional psychologist that this is BS.
I usually respect your opinion but making such diagnoses without any base is dangerous and irresponsible, not to mention highly manipulative.

I wasn't making a diagnosis. I was making an observation. Even I was making a diagnosis, it would hardly be dangerous and irresponsible since it was offered in form of an opinion on fan forum board.

If you are psychologist, and frankly I have my doubts because someone with an advanced degree is usually more precise with their words, then you'd know it is not uncommon for a person to recreate unresolved relationships that left an emotional scar. In Boogie's case, that could be Westphal, Smart, even his own father, who to my knowledge is not in his life. If these relationships were source of pain it is not unusual to recreate those relationship by projecting qualities onto new relationship as subconscious way to try to reconcile that pain, whether those qualities exist or not. Or perceive that new person in similar vein to justify lashing out to deal with past pain.

It is not totally dissimilar from the woman who keeps attracting the serial abuser or cheater. She keeps choosing the same wrong guy over and over....what a shocker! No its not a shocker,, its human nature until the person matures with enough self-awareness to see the error of her ways and make wiser choices. I am not sure if Boogie has this level of self awareness.

Where I am going with this, even though it is water under the bridge, is to say I think one of the reasons Boogie did not get along with Karl is because he actively sought conflict and adversary, to allow him (in his mind) to assume role of someone victimized or mistreated, and deflect blame and responsibility. To slide into role he previously known despite the dysfunction: the role of the martyr, misunderstood superstar or whatever egocentric tale he concocted. This is not to suggest Karl was not a bad coach and did not make mistakes, but the fact that Boogie could not find reconcile differences, find common ground or peacefully coexist in pursuit of common goal (win), and has done so with 1 out of 5 or 6 head coaches, reflects on player AND the coaches.

The degree to which fault should be assigned is matter of debate, but even Malone copped to the fact that Boogie was a handful as a player, and took a lot of care and coddling to build the relationship they did. None of this means Boogie has a mental disorder deserving of a diagnosis, but points to another barrier to team success. How many teams go into new season with one of main questions hanging over team "How will best player get along with coach?" Funny, I don't think that was issue related to Curry when Dubs hired Kerr, or related to Durant when OKC hired Donovan. The slate is clean now with Boogie and Joerger, but if history tells us anything, it is going to get dirty.

 

[biltalent]

I wasn't making a diagnosis. I was making an observation. Even I was making a diagnosis, it would hardly be dangerous and irresponsible since it was offered in form of an opinion on fan forum board.

If you are psychologist, and frankly I have my doubts because someone with an advanced degree is usually more precise with their words, then you'd know it is not uncommon for a person to recreate unresolved relationships that left an emotional scar. In Boogie's case, that could be Westphal, Smart, even his own father, who to my knowledge is not in his life. If these relationships were source of pain it is not unusual to recreate those relationship by projecting qualities onto new relationship as subconscious way to try to reconcile that pain, whether those qualities exist or not. Or perceive that new person in similar vein to justify lashing out to deal with past pain.

It is not totally dissimilar from the woman who keeps attracting the serial abuser or cheater. She keeps choosing the same wrong guy over and over....what a shocker! No its not a shocker,, its human nature until the person matures with enough self-awareness to see the error of her ways and make wiser choices. I am not sure if Boogie has this level of self awareness.

Where I am going with this, even though it is water under the bridge, is to say I think one of the reasons Boogie did not get along with Karl is because he actively sought conflict and adversary, to allow him (in his mind) to assume role of someone victimized or mistreated, and deflect blame and responsibility. To slide into role he previously known despite the dysfunction: the role of the martyr, misunderstood superstar or whatever egocentric tale he concocted. This is not to suggest Karl was not a bad coach and did not make mistakes, but the fact that Boogie could not find reconcile differences, find common ground or peacefully coexist in pursuit of common goal (win), and has done so with 1 out of 5 or 6 head coaches, reflects on player AND the coaches.

The degree to which fault should be assigned is matter of debate, but even Malone copped to the fact that Boogie was a handful as a player, and took a lot of care and coddling to build the relationship they did. None of this means Boogie has a mental disorder deserving of a diagnosis, but points to another barrier to team success. How many teams go into new season with one of main questions hanging over team "How will best player get along with coach?" Funny, I don't think that was issue related to Curry when Dubs hired Kerr, or related to Durant when OKC hired Donovan. The slate is clean now with Boogie and Joerger, but if history tells us anything, it is going to get dirty.

I apologize for my language issues and I can understand why this may let you to believe that I am not telling the thruth. But let me use this example to show why making statements like you do regarding other people are indeed dangerous:
What you do is you see overt behavior and you infere a trait (in case of Cousins) or even a "truth" if you like (regarding me). You are not only making observations but you draw conclusion.
Lets use what you just said as an example:
Overt behavior: There are issues between Cousins and his coaches.
Conclusion: He may has "emotional scars", has issues with his father, is egocentric and so on.

Or another example where you did the same with me:
Overt behavior: Makes language mistakes uncommon for a psychologist.
Conclusion: Is not a psychologist.

Well guess what, there is also another explanation for the overt behavior, namely that I am not a native speaker. (To further ellaborate on this, I called what you did "making diagnoses" which I think is probalby the wrong term. The correct one in english is "psychological assessment" I think, but in my native language there is no difference as we call assessing all sorts of behavior "psychological diagnostics".)
But why is it "dangerous" or "irresponsible" to make claims like this?
What you do is making broad statements about people without having enough information to do this. And it is indeed dangerous even if you do it as a fan on a fanboard. You do influence other people with you behavior/your statements. Guess what, calling me a liar because of my language hurts and it makes me angry. And it makes me second guess my wording in this post more than usual which causes that I spend much more time on this post than I want because I don't want people to think that I am a liar.
But you do not only influence the person you assess but also other people's opinion and behavior of him/her. This can foster stereotyping, prejudice and so on. We see this with the national media and Cousins & his "emotional issues" as well. At some point after reading it again and again people believe this stuff without questioning it and it changes their behavior towards him. We see this all the time during games or on social media.

I usually don't reply to your posts but this time I had to. The thing is, I even am interested in your opinion on Boogie or on basketball in general because I do think you have valid points! But the way you are communicating your thoughts is very irritating to me and I can't let your statements pass without comment.
Speaking of that I hope we can turn back to a discussion about hoops, because that is why we all are here, aren't we?

 

[VF21]

I apologize for my language issues...

...Guess what, calling me a liar because of my language hurts and it makes me angry. And it makes me second guess my wording in this post more than usual which causes that I spend much more time on this post than I want because I don't want people to think that I am a liar.

...I usually don't reply to your posts but this time I had to. The thing is, I even am interested in your opinion on Boogie or on basketball in general because I do think you have valid points! But the way you are communicating your thoughts is very irritating to me and I can't let your statements pass without comment.

Speaking of that I hope we can turn back to a discussion about hoops, because that is why we all are here, aren't we?

First and foremost, please do not ever think you have to apologize for your "language issues" here at KF. We have had over the years an incredible group of fans from all corners of the earth. I am continually blown away by the number of fans for whom English is a second, third or even fourth language. Your language is incredible. I do not know (and it doesn't really matter) what your native language is, but I can pretty much guarantee you're much better at English than I (and a lot of others around here) could ever be at your native tongue.

We have long said that it's not about language or grammar. It's about sharing our enthusiasm for the team we love, or in some cases love to hate. If someone calls you out for poor language, it's an indication of their problems not yours.

And yes, this should be a discussion about hoops. I, too, hope it can resume in that vein.

 

[biltalent]

First and foremost, please do not ever think you have to apologize for your "language issues" here at KF. We have had over the years an incredible group of fans from all corners of the earth. I am continually blown away by the number of fans for whom English is a second, third or even fourth language. Your language is incredible. I do not know (and it doesn't really matter) what your native language is, but I can pretty much guarantee you're much better at English than I (and a lot of others around here) could ever be at your native tongue.

We have long said that it's not about language or grammar. It's about sharing our enthusiasm for the team we love, or in some cases love to hate. If someone calls you out for poor language, it's an indication of their problems not yours.

And yes, this should be a discussion about hoops. I, too, hope it can resume in that vein.

Thank you for this very kind and warming comment! I appreciate it. Reading and posting at KF has really helped me make progress in that regard and I hope to continue to do so.
I'll use this opportunity to share my thoughts on a Boogie extension:
While I would love to do it I don't see the reason for him to consider it. But maybe long term financial security is enough?

 

[Bricklayer]

How many teams go into new season with one of main questions hanging over team "How will best player get along with coach?" Funny, I don't think that was issue related to Curry when Dubs hired Kerr, or related to Durant when OKC hired Donovan. The slate is clean now with Boogie and Joerger, but if history tells us anything, it is going to get dirty.

 

[Kingsfan23]

Look, we have put dysfunction around Boogie, undoubtedly, so he must feel right at home, because Boogie has contributed mightily to the dysfunction, as a terrible leader, terrible temper and an oversized ego and alienating personality.

Not to mention a low efficiency player with a turnover rate and foul rate that ranks worst in the NBA.

I am getting tired of narrative if only we surrounded him with a better supporting cast we would be a perennial playoff team when the dysfunction runs BOTH ways. This organization has been a mess, and Boogie has been a mess as a #1 guy.

Unreliable, unstable with wild and extreme variance in performance from one game to the next that has been a big reason why this team wins under 30 games a year.

It would be nice to think if only the players and coaches and front office were of higher caliber around him, the last 6 years would have been different. And there's of course truth to this perspective.

But I still have a feeling that a player with Boogie's immaturity and inefficiency, he would have found a way to self-implode. In other words, Boogie has pretty much known chaos. He has sort of embraced this me against the world attitude going back to when he felt he got the unfair label of a malcontent in high school.

I would argue as an armchair psychologist he is comfortable with this persona and he will do what he needs to do (consciously or subconsciously) to recreate this drama, including going ballistic on the sidelines against a feeble old coach and cancer survivor with no voice.

That said, I am optimistic as he enters the latter half of his 20s, he will calm done emotionally, bond with his new coach, be able to sustain more consistent defensive effort over 40 minutes with new level of conditioning, raise his scoring efficiency over 55% TS, and avoid the cheap fouls that take him out of games.

But make no mistake, none of what I am wishing and I am hoping (as is every Kings fan) has EVER been sustained over a prolonged period of time (say more than 25 games), and the next time Boogie leads this team to a playoff run after the all-star, NOT lead the team to the playoffs, I am saying within striking distance by the latter half of the season, will be the FIRST time.

I am waiting to be dazzled by his brilliance.

This doesn't seem to take into account how the disorganization around Boogie has affected his performance the last few years. From being misplayed (efficiency) by coaches to personally disliking them and wanting them fired and how that has affected a player in their mid 20s. How much of that was relevant under Malone to start the beginning of 15? Let's see if he fits with Joerger