Bonzi, Artest or Sprewell: Who Should the Kings Take a Risk
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foretaz
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Yoda said:
actually if u look at my first post today, it was in response to one of urs...in no way am i trying to put the kings down...as ive said, they are a team i enjoy following and root for....hell i just watched a couple of their old games on nbatv this week...
if any take it that way, i apologize...that is not the intent...i understand how frustrating it can be to have someone from a different team appear to bash on ur team....and i assure u thats not the case here....
i spend time on 2 boards....pacers digest, because they are the team i love....and kingsfans....because i happen to like the kings and it seems thru the years there have been things take place between the two teams....
i understand the pain some of u might be feeling who realize what might be on the horizon....please just realize i will be unhappy as well...id love to see the kings do well.....i would enjoy nothing more than a kings/pacers finals..
Bricklayer
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Yoda said:
Yes.
Its just silly.
Barring major injuries, its not even close. Just NBA bball basics. Not to mention simply paying attention to what happened this year. At our worst, with all that went on, we were a .500 team. We might be that again, and this time for a full season. But there has been no indication thus far that we would actually sink so far as to become flat out BAD. Again, barring major injuries which we no longer have the depth and resilience to overcome.
Anywhere from 40-50 as things stand now. Worse with injuries, still potentially better if Geoff gets a move on here. But 30? That's as bad as Milwaulkee last year. Nearly as bad as Portland. We're not in that neighborhood yet.
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G_M
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foretaz said:
I might be in the minority but I think either Evans if he resigns, or Martin will mesh better than Mobley did. Maybe sacrificing offense for an overall better team game at the SG position. Mobley was clutch at times but he made a LOT of bad decisions, got beat like a drum on defense after his first three or four games, and generally did not fit with what the Kings were doing.
So, if the Kings go backwards I don't think it will have anything to do with Mobley being a CLIPPER.
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foretaz
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G_M said:
i like martin...i said a while back i hope hes the starting 2....now i think it might be a step back in the short term....most times u move a youngster into that sort of role you have more inconsistencies to deal with....but in the long term it appears he could be a great contributor....
foretaz
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ill only say this....as mentioned earlier...the team was a .500 team after the trade....i know about injuries and goofy years, trust me....but as a pacer fan i also question brads ability to stay completely healthy for a whole year....hes never really done it....
i think the kings will struggle to be as good of a team as they were last year....its early , but the signs dont appear to be that personnel will be any better....they will have a lame duck coach...
and probably most importantly....i think every other team in the division will be better....
you combine these two things....and well....a .500 team can go to a 30 win team pretty quick like....maybe its 30 or maybe 35...but right now, the way it looks to me....35 wins looks to be on the high side....
heres hoping im wrong...
i think the kings will struggle to be as good of a team as they were last year....its early , but the signs dont appear to be that personnel will be any better....they will have a lame duck coach...
and probably most importantly....i think every other team in the division will be better....
you combine these two things....and well....a .500 team can go to a 30 win team pretty quick like....maybe its 30 or maybe 35...but right now, the way it looks to me....35 wins looks to be on the high side....
heres hoping im wrong...
tyrant
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foretaz said:ill only say this....as mentioned earlier...the team was a .500 team after the trade....i know about injuries and goofy years, trust me....but as a pacer fan i also question brads ability to stay completely healthy for a whole year....hes never really done it....
i think the kings will struggle to be as good of a team as they were last year....its early , but the signs dont appear to be that personnel will be any better....they will have a lame duck coach...
and probably most importantly....i think every other team in the division will be better....
you combine these two things....and well....a .500 team can go to a 30 win team pretty quick like....maybe its 30 or maybe 35...but right now, the way it looks to me....35 wins looks to be on the high side....
heres hoping im wrong...
sounds more like you're trying to bash the team. tell us something we don't know and quit throwing logic in our face. of course we may or may not be looking at a 30-35 win season if the front office doesn't do anything about it. and you think the kings will struggle to be as good of a team as they were last year? we sucked last year. 50 wins, 6th seed, and an butt whippin in the 1st round. i want to be better this up comming year. im tired of hearing about trades and teams getting better. we lost mobley and got nothing in return and we offer a professional playoff choker the max. with just mike, brad and peja alone this team is better than 35 wins, but we'll continue to get thrashed come postseason.
Diabeticwonder
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I don't put any value into the thought that the Kings may struggle in part due to having a lame duck coach. For the better part of last season that's exactly what RA was. Seattle had a phenominal year with a lame duck coach as had many other teams. If the Kings struggle next year it will be because of injuries and personnel, but not because RA is a lame duck coach.
Padrino
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eh....
30-35 wins is a bit ludicrous. this team may be in a state of disarray and incomplete, as it were, but they're still capable of torching ya for 110 any given night. they did it, injury-plagued, at the end of last season. they'll win some games with that style of play. maybe not more than 50, but they arent gonna be bottom-feeders. and, if GP really is pulling some unseen strings, then we may be in luck, and a guaranteed playoff lock. no reason to give up hope yet. the kings may be Charmin soft, but they're not an unattractive team to sign with or be traded to at this point. one fall-off season doesnt dictate that. its a transitional period. if GP's got his head on straight, and can fill our needs adequately, the kings will be fine. maybe not championship contender-fine, but they'll be in the playoffs again. he's always looking, that much is for certain. TDOS may end, and we may very well not be very happy about the outcome, but GP's already shown his willingness to trade beloved Kings mid-season, so **** can still go down. either way, it'll go down when and how GP wants it to go down, and thats good enough for me.
30-35 wins is a bit ludicrous. this team may be in a state of disarray and incomplete, as it were, but they're still capable of torching ya for 110 any given night. they did it, injury-plagued, at the end of last season. they'll win some games with that style of play. maybe not more than 50, but they arent gonna be bottom-feeders. and, if GP really is pulling some unseen strings, then we may be in luck, and a guaranteed playoff lock. no reason to give up hope yet. the kings may be Charmin soft, but they're not an unattractive team to sign with or be traded to at this point. one fall-off season doesnt dictate that. its a transitional period. if GP's got his head on straight, and can fill our needs adequately, the kings will be fine. maybe not championship contender-fine, but they'll be in the playoffs again. he's always looking, that much is for certain. TDOS may end, and we may very well not be very happy about the outcome, but GP's already shown his willingness to trade beloved Kings mid-season, so **** can still go down. either way, it'll go down when and how GP wants it to go down, and thats good enough for me.
ParniValjak
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Yeah and when Artest jumps in the stands again and kicks the **** out of some fan, gets suspended for life then it would be such a smart movekings4life said:
Artest is the BIGGEST risk you could take in today's NBA. On court he brings an ENOURMOUS game but he also happens to be a nutcase that could destroy your franchine for the next decade.
Out of those 3 he is the one that I would take a risk on only if it doesn't cost us any of our core guys (Bibby, Peja and Brad) which is highly unlikely. We are desperate but we are not THAT desperate.
Realistically of the 3 I would go with Bonzi Wells because he is still realtively young and brings what we need and he wouldn't cost us any of our core guys. He is a risk but he is somewhat of a minimized risk. He has a lot of talent but if it doesn't work out his contract comes off the books at the end of the season so in reality you didn't blow up your team for a players that might not work out.
SacTownKid
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I picked Bonzi b/c we would have to give up one of "core" for Artest, probably Bibby. Don't want to do that. I say Bonzi b/c he is a good player that will make a major impact in every facet of the game. Plus we wouldn't have to tough the "core" to get him.
bibby-the-man
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Evenstar said:
Same Here. I would love to see him in a Kings jersey
SacTownKid said:
Don't be too surprised if, at some point, one of the "core" becomes fodder for a trade. We really don't have that much, besides the core, that would appeal to other teams for legitimate trade purposes. We can talk about trading away Thomas, or Skinner, or Williamson, or even Bobby, but there's no guarantee we'd get anyone to bite.
SoupIsGood
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foretaz said:
Taz...
You and K just need to learn to be friends. 
SoupIsGood
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As for Artest, I actually am not as opposed to him returning to the Pacers as I have been, I think I would be okay with it. (This will shock Foretaz, as I am a 'hater' )
I'm interested in seeing what he has got. Supposedly he was worked on his shooting and ball handling extensively while he has been off, I want to give him a chance. Besides, every player in the Pacer's core has a big fat question mark attached to them, I may as well give Artest another chance.
I have this funny feeling that I will want him gone by the trade deadline though.
)I'm interested in seeing what he has got. Supposedly he was worked on his shooting and ball handling extensively while he has been off, I want to give him a chance. Besides, every player in the Pacer's core has a big fat question mark attached to them, I may as well give Artest another chance.
I have this funny feeling that I will want him gone by the trade deadline though.
Purple Reign
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I am very surprised that no one has yet chosen Sprewell. I myself chose Artest, but I would much rather go with "Spree" than Bonzi or the youngsters. He is a veteran, that knows how to win. He is not the Sprewell of the Knicks anymore, but he is a serviceable more than capable off guard that does the thinks the Kings need. Defend, rebound, and shoot the outside shot.
Bricklayer
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Purple Reign said:
I'm not sure if you noticed, but the guy really destroyed his own team last year, and looked just old and sad on the court all year. He's got little left at this point except the 'tude, which is the last thing anybody needs. I'd easily go with the kids over him at this point.
DocHolliday
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Go get Bonzi and Artest. I would be in heaven.
foretaz
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based on this poll...spreewell is in big trouble.....and to think he turned down a contract extension at around 9 million a year if im not mistaken about a year ago...
think about this poll....101 people have voted
the choices are
spreewell
bonzi wells-someone that was kicked off the team in the playoffs and told if he came to the arena, he would be arrested....
ron artest-a player that was suspended for a league record amount of games for going into the stands and has a somewhat checkered past...
a combination of rookies and young benchwarmers....
and spreewell doesnt get one vote....NOT ONE....wow...id say spreewells agent has his work cut out for him....and if his agent is the one who advised against the signing of that extension...well...then...
think about this poll....101 people have voted
the choices are
spreewell
bonzi wells-someone that was kicked off the team in the playoffs and told if he came to the arena, he would be arrested....
ron artest-a player that was suspended for a league record amount of games for going into the stands and has a somewhat checkered past...
a combination of rookies and young benchwarmers....
and spreewell doesnt get one vote....NOT ONE....wow...id say spreewells agent has his work cut out for him....and if his agent is the one who advised against the signing of that extension...well...then...
iheartBrad
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Ron Artest
I will admit I have completely flipped on my views towards Artest...
We need something defensively and he fits the bill, we need a OG and he fits the bill we need a OG that can score a bit too and he fits the bill...I'm willing to take a risk on him...even the haters have got to admit he IS a good bball player and all of his coaches do swear by him...I don't see however Indy giving him up this year...most Indy fans love him, some do want him gone but most love him, the media seems to think that he's gonna be gone...his name was coming up last summer in a lot of trade possibities and that pre-Detriot...I think Indy doesn't let him go this year but doesn't take their eye off the table either...It was obvious that they missed what Artest can offer up last year and I'd think they'd want to see what that squad back in full effect AND healthy can do before they truly make the deal to send Artest away...
On the other side of the fence is Bonzi...who is much cheaper and much more realistic...I'm willing to take a chance of him too...he isn't as outlandish as Artest (mentally) and he is a great athlete...the "anti-Peja" could be just what we need to stir the pot a little bit...get away from our soft label and gain somebody that can score defend and rebound...
I will admit I have completely flipped on my views towards Artest...
We need something defensively and he fits the bill, we need a OG and he fits the bill we need a OG that can score a bit too and he fits the bill...I'm willing to take a risk on him...even the haters have got to admit he IS a good bball player and all of his coaches do swear by him...I don't see however Indy giving him up this year...most Indy fans love him, some do want him gone but most love him, the media seems to think that he's gonna be gone...his name was coming up last summer in a lot of trade possibities and that pre-Detriot...I think Indy doesn't let him go this year but doesn't take their eye off the table either...It was obvious that they missed what Artest can offer up last year and I'd think they'd want to see what that squad back in full effect AND healthy can do before they truly make the deal to send Artest away...
On the other side of the fence is Bonzi...who is much cheaper and much more realistic...I'm willing to take a chance of him too...he isn't as outlandish as Artest (mentally) and he is a great athlete...the "anti-Peja" could be just what we need to stir the pot a little bit...get away from our soft label and gain somebody that can score defend and rebound...
BibityBobtyBoom
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Ron artest can out play any of those guys at any time. And i feel that if you can take him out of the spot light which is the team that he got in a fight with. If he came out to sacramento, he would feel like he had a clean slate, like randy moss and the raiders. If we got randy moss, i would jump for joy, but thats the problem with these things, they never happen. but if we don't get anyone it will still be awesome to have Fran and Kevin rotating the 2 spot
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