Board of Govs Meeting Updates-DAY 2

So why don't you tell me this - which arena plan was put together by the Maloofs, with their public backing, with their verbal support in front of news cameras? What sort of feasibility studies did they front on their own and present to the city? Why is it that they were content to sit back this entire time and insist that the plans were brought to them, so that they could say 'this doesn't work for us'?

Spare the melodrama. It's not their fault they were publicly stating a new arena was necessary, and the people put their heads in the sand for years. Now, they are tearing the hearts out of fans? This train was coming a mile away and everybody who wasn't in denial saw it.

Where was the "Here we stay" campaigns before? Oh that's right, nobody took their words seriously until they showed they were serious. Get real.
 
Maybe with this new extension the Maloofs may entertain offers for the team. Samueli, Webber and Burkle can all bid and drive up the cost and fight for the team like dogs. If the highest number gets to over the $400 million the Maloofs would have to really think about it. The winning bid assumes the $77 million loan. The Maloofs buy and take the Hornets to Las Vegas.
 
Is the problem that the city of Sacramento didn't do enough to get a new arena built or is this a case of the city officials doing what the majority of the citizens want, i.e. deciding to not finance an arena. I really don't want the Kings to leave but the money for an arena has to come from somewhere and the voters have made it clear that they don't want to pay for it.
 
THIS

Maloofs were publicly quoted in the newspaper just before the beginning of this season saying that the idea of other people coming in and taking the Kings to another city was ridiculous. In an article by AV, I think it was Gavin who was almost scoffing at the idea of relocation, as though he was offended that it would even be mentioned.


If they would have told us "We are filing in 2011 if an arena deal isn't in place" you would have seen the Here We Stay campaigns long ago. Instead we heard "We are dedicated to Sacramento, and Sacramento only, we aren't even picking up the phone for other cities... lets get this done!!! WHOOPPEEE!!!!"
 
No, we aren't. Because under the speculative topics brought up about Burkle wresting control of the team away from the Maloofs, we might see them be an entirely different team somewhere outside the state. And that, to me, is worse than rooting for the Royals as pacific division rivals of the lakers.

Man are you just looking for things to be negative about? The best news we've had in months and already you figure Burkle is just scheming to buy and move the team?
 
Every single time this issue came up, and this is across years of attempts, they were asked if the arena wasn't done would they move. And their response? They would always say "Our focus is on the positive and trying to get something done here first." Hindsight is 20/20, and some people claim that it might have been a poor decision not to play hardball and give a deadline then. And there is merit to that. However, there is also merit to the PR approach at the time which didn't have KJ in the drivers seat, and had the potential that if they did give an ultimatum publicly, that it would turn really bad really fast against them. We've already seen some people give the "good riddance" comments even with the most support we've ever seen now. Imagine this during a time when everybody is hurting more financially, and the city leaders are entirely against this. Playing hardball could have been the nail in the coffin. So there is merit to their statements about being committed to staying and focusing on the positive, because they were fighting an uphill battle against the city during that time.

I will say this: their avoidance of directly answering that question over the years is as clear of an indication of their motives as if they had directly answered that. And every single person who payed attention knew it. When they say "A new arena is necessary, and soon", it's painfully clear how dire the situation was. And my point stands: the people who needed to be given a deadline are the same people who were in denial and didn't want to accept the fact that this was coming.

Standing ovation. Great post!!!
 
What game are you talking about? The game of being rich?

The game of executing their own agenda without running a charity for fans. The Maloofs tried to get something done, and despite whatever mistakes were made on both sides, the fact remains that they are still doing what is in the best interest of their team, and Burkle has done what was in the best interest of his teams by his actions as well. So I don't see how one is any better than the other.

Burkle is being hailed as a savior because he has pronounced intentions on helping keep the Kings here. The Maloofs are being villified because they never gave Sacramento a deadline and negotiated in secret with Anaheim while telling Sacramento they loved us.

If the Maloofs were never serious about staying, they would be gone by now. Do you deny the fact that they have made several attempts at getting an arena done? Flawed or not, they still tried. And my previous post addressed the deadline issue.
 
Yep. There's more than a few issues at play here.

1. What will happen RE: Kings in Sac? Answer: Nobody in their right mind has a clue

2. How did yesterday's presentations go? KJ just CRUSHED the Maloofs and Aneheim. Just absolutely crushed them.

Burkle's motivations are totally relevant to #1 above, but I think a lot of people are simply happy that #2 happened. #2 was a prerequisite to any scenario where Sacramento stays an NBA city. The overtime analogies are apt. The outcome is in question and either group can win if they make the right moves.

If you want the Kings to stay in Sac, you should be thankful for all of the developments in the last 36 hours.

Thanks for pointing that out and thanks for reposting that wonderfull shoop by Brickie.

It seems that it needs to be reiterated (what you stated and what Brickie's picture shows):

- Maloofs went to NYC to get a green-light for Kings-2-Anaheim move.
- KJ presented the case for Sacramento to keep the Kings OR even to get another NBA franchise.
- Stern/BOG/Maloofs extended the deadline for 2 more weeks - meaning that Maloofs haven't even applied for relocation yet.

That's it, really. That's what happened. Maybe Stern/NBA needs more data on Anaheim move (why not allow application to proceed and then do due dilligence in 120 days that comitee would have?). Maybe he really needs to hear more about Burkle/Anderson/Sacramento roadmap? Something is up for sure though, as Maloofs didn't even apply.

All the reports from NYC meeting are about KJ making a strong case for Sacramento as an NBA city (7 mil from business, Burkle/Anderson, top 20 TV market - those are teh details reported by ESPN, AP, Bloomberg etc.). What this does is (other then buying little bit more time) introduce a benefit of doubt element in favor of Sacramento - Maybe it's just that these owners cannot get a deal done, not that no-one could get a deal to build a modern arena in Sacramento.
 
Maybe with this new extension the Maloofs may entertain offers for the team. Samueli, Webber and Burkle can all bid and drive up the cost and fight for the team like dogs. If the highest number gets to over the $400 million the Maloofs would have to really think about it. The winning bid assumes the $77 million loan. The Maloofs buy and take the Hornets to Las Vegas.

The is no NBA ready arena in LV and the plan to build one was stalled or scraped.
 
Man are you just looking for things to be negative about? The best news we've had in months and already you figure Burkle is just scheming to buy and move the team?
I'm not being negative, I'm addressing the potential scenarios. If people are going to be as fantastical and illogical on the extreme positive, then I'm only trying to point out the other side of that in order to add some context. Is this a good sign? Potentially, but I'm not going to cry and worship Burkle, somebody we just heard about days ago. He's not getting my endorsement as the messiah based on a press release and a pitch by KJ.
 
If the Maloofs were never serious about staying, they would be gone by now. Do you deny the fact that they have made several attempts at getting an arena done? Flawed or not, they still tried. And my previous post addressed the deadline issue.
Good grief, way to put words into my mouth. I said they never gave us a deadline or firm timeline. Just saying "Break ground by the start of 2011 season or else" probably would have done the trick. Actually it appears it might have, except they didn't actually communicate that to anyone in Sac and instead the city scrambled on its own and quite literally blew their pos proposal to move to Anaheim out of the water.

As for best interest of the team, I highly beg to differ. They are doing what they think is in their personal best interests, which are highly compromised by their failing casino. If that is the case they are no longer fit to be majority owners in this or any other team.
 
No, we aren't. Because under the speculative topics brought up about Burkle wresting control of the team away from the Maloofs, we might see them be an entirely different team somewhere outside the state. And that, to me, is worse than rooting for the Royals as pacific division rivals of the lakers.

So it's confirmed. You are supporting the move to Anaheim. Case closed in my book.
 
So why don't you tell me this - which arena plan was put together by the Maloofs, with their public backing, with their verbal support in front of news cameras?

They were prepaired to endorse the public measures until it was realized it wasn't a good plan either way. It was rushed, and they pulled out, but people still tried. They brought in the NBA and were ready to endorse the Cal Expo land swap, but certain issues were changed and they backed out because of that. But again, if they never cared, they wouldn't have brought in the NBA and spent millions trying to get a deal done (which they did).

What sort of feasibility studies did they front on their own and present to the city?

It's not their job to do the city's job for them. They did do their own research on the costs of an arena, as well as bringing in 3rd parties to evaluate the possibility of renovation of the current area. What they aren't going to do is pay for somebody to evaluate on behalf of the city to research other areas of the city to develop that doesn't include them.

Why is it that they were content to sit back this entire time and insist that the plans were brought to them, so that they could say 'this doesn't work for us'?

I don't know what you are referring to with this. If it's the ICON group, then you must realize that it's the city's responsibility to find the best plan to develop the area (especially if they are going to be the owners of the venue and give public financing) in multiple locations, not the Maloofs.
 
Good grief, way to put words into my mouth. I said they never gave us a deadline or firm timeline. Just saying "Break ground by the start of 2011 season or else" probably would have done the trick. Actually it appears it might have, except they didn't actually communicate that to anyone in Sac and instead the city scrambled on its own and quite literally blew their pos proposal to move to Anaheim out of the water.

As for best interest of the team, I highly beg to differ. They are doing what they think is in their personal best interests, which are highly compromised by their failing casino. If that is the case they are no longer fit to be majority owners in this or any other team.


Yeah, the comment about best interest of the team was laughable. I assumed Showtime meant the Kings, but I guess he could mean the Maloof team. They are totally screwed financially and are going all in on Anaheim in the hopes the move bails them out financially. It won't, and the result will be Sam owning the Kings in Anaheim.

They aren't fit to own an NBA team and haven't been since they took out the 800m loan on the Palms.
 
The game of executing their own agenda without running a charity for fans. The Maloofs tried to get something done, and despite whatever mistakes were made on both sides, the fact remains that they are still doing what is in the best interest of their team, and Burkle has done what was in the best interest of his teams by his actions as well. So I don't see how one is any better than the other.



If the Maloofs were never serious about staying, they would be gone by now. Do you deny the fact that they have made several attempts at getting an arena done? Flawed or not, they still tried. And my previous post addressed the deadline issue.

Not necessarily true. Even if they wanted to leave the whole time they couldn't have done so without a viable alternative. It's not like they can just pack up and go to the city of their choice at any time. Samueli serenading them is the first serious offer they've had and they bit like hungry trout.
 
They were prepaired to endorse the public measures until it was realized it wasn't a good plan either way. It was rushed, and they pulled out, but people still tried. They brought in the NBA and were ready to endorse the Cal Expo land swap, but certain issues were changed and they backed out because of that. But again, if they never cared, they wouldn't have brought in the NBA and spent millions trying to get a deal done (which they did).



It's not their job to do the city's job for them. They did do their own research on the costs of an arena, as well as bringing in 3rd parties to evaluate the possibility of renovation of the current area. What they aren't going to do is pay for somebody to evaluate on behalf of the city to research other areas of the city to develop that doesn't include them.



I don't know what you are referring to with this. If it's the ICON group, then you must realize that it's the city's responsibility to find the best plan to develop the area (especially if they are going to be the owners of the venue and give public financing) in multiple locations, not the Maloofs.

OK Gavin, we get the idea. Now go waste 60 thousand dollars on a hamburger or something.
 
Not necessarily true. Even if they wanted to leave the whole time they couldn't have done so without a viable alternative. It's not like they can just pack up and go to the city of their choice at any time. Samueli serenading them is the first serious offer they've had and they bit like hungry trout.

KC has been attempting to get a team in the Sprint Center since it was built. But that's not the point. The point is that even if you were correct, and the maloofs were biding their time until they got a good prospect to move, then that still doesn't account for their attempts to work something out while spending millions in the process. Even if it were all PR stunts, they certainly went above and beyond token effort.
 
We are down to crunch time here. The time for being picky about those who are all in to help keep the team is laughable.

What concerns me is the arrogance of David Stern. Not only making jokes about Sacramento, but the in-your-face appointment of Clay Bennett as the chairman of the move committee. A number of national media outlets are even questioning his choice there. This is like hand picking refs for game 6 all over again.
 
I think something that is being over looked here is the fact the Anaheim did not have enough supporting documentation. This speaks more than anything else to me. How can the city and Samueli who have had months to work on the details, show up to BOG meeting unprepared?

I think the Maloofs are looking for a lifeline, Samueli is trying to provide it, the BOG is not sold and now KJ/Burkle have muddled that up even more.

If it is found out that the Maloofs funneled one penny of the $75MM loan from the NBA or the $77MM bond issue to the Palms, all hell is going to break loose.
 
OK Gavin, we get the idea. Now go waste 60 thousand dollars on a hamburger or something.
Must be difficult to handle these emotions when you are just now comprehending the situation. I would be too, but I realized what was going on for years.
 
Every single time this issue came up, and this is across years of attempts, they were asked if the arena wasn't done would they move. And their response? They would always say "Our focus is on the positive and trying to get something done here first." Hindsight is 20/20, and some people claim that it might have been a poor decision not to play hardball and give a deadline then. And there is merit to that. However, there is also merit to the PR approach at the time which didn't have KJ in the drivers seat, and had the potential that if they did give an ultimatum publicly, that it would turn really bad really fast against them. We've already seen some people give the "good riddance" comments even with the most support we've ever seen now. Imagine this during a time when everybody is hurting more financially, and the city leaders are entirely against this. Playing hardball could have been the nail in the coffin. So there is merit to their statements about being committed to staying and focusing on the positive, because they were fighting an uphill battle against the city during that time.

I will say this: their avoidance of directly answering that question over the years is as clear of an indication of their motives as if they had directly answered that. And every single person who payed attention knew it. When they say "A new arena is necessary, and soon", it's painfully clear how dire the situation was. And my point stands: the people who needed to be given a deadline are the same people who were in denial and didn't want to accept the fact that this was coming.

Agreed. Many of you are upset about how the Maloofs have handled this relocation situation but the fact of the matter is, if the Kings stay in Sacramento it will only be because the owners made it happen by having one foot out of the door.
 
We are down to crunch time here. The time for being picky about those who are all in to help keep the team is laughable.

I wouldn't be picky if:

- people weren't laying branches at his feet
- there were some structure in place currently that shows he's serious about helping to fund an arena and keep the team in sac.

What concerns me is the arrogance of David Stern. Not only making jokes about Sacramento, but the in-your-face appointment of Clay Bennett as the chairman of the move committee. A number of national media outlets are even questioning his choice there. This is like hand picking refs for game 6 all over again.

He's a dick. But this is also coming after getting his hands dirty with the former Sacramento leadership.
 
KC has been attempting to get a team in the Sprint Center since it was built. But that's not the point. The point is that even if you were correct, and the maloofs were biding their time until they got a good prospect to move, then that still doesn't account for their attempts to work something out while spending millions in the process. Even if it were all PR stunts, they certainly went above and beyond token effort.

KC was a questionable market. It's small, the Kings already failed there once, and it has NFL and MLB to compete with. We also don't know if KC ever made them a serious offer. As for what the Maloofs did in Sacramento, like I said, they had no other options. If you can't put the team where you want, a new arena here is the next best thing.
 
No, we aren't. Because under the speculative topics brought up about Burkle wresting control of the team away from the Maloofs, we might see them be an entirely different team somewhere outside the state. And that, to me, is worse than rooting for the Royals as pacific division rivals of the lakers.

The only conclusion I can reach based on your posts in this thread is that you are actually in favor of the Maloofs moving the team to Anaheim.

After all, the current owners WANT to move the team. KJ approached Burkle to keep them in Sacramento and you're dubious because he MIGHT possibly want to move the team. Again, how does that make sense.

And to me Anaheim IS the worst option. Losing the Kings name to revert to the Royals moniker moves them further away from being my team. And being second banana to the Lakers in SoCal (maybe even 3rd behind the Clippers) is a much worse fate to me than if the returned to Kansas City. I'd much rather see them move out of statethan than to Anaheim if they do go.

But that's not reality anyway. The only way the Kings stay in Sac is with a firm agreement on a new arena. And if that happens there's zero chance that Burkle would be buying the team just to move it.
 
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